hey guys, i was wondering what is a MUST for a pct? i know for sure you would need a serm.
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03-17-2007, 07:50 PM #1
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03-17-2007, 07:54 PM #2USPLabs
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umm a SERM is far from a MUST, if the cycle is harsh enough it would be recommended, but def not an absolute.
One MUST is a good Test Booster: A reallly good one is Axis Labs - HyperTEST
Something to control Estro - Inhibit-E is nice
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03-17-2007, 08:16 PM #3Back In Business
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PCT is heavily debated and very contreversial. Bloute's thread on Epistane/Havoc is very informative and so is this: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=971637Originally Posted by L Diddy
A serm, a cortisol blocker, liver support are pretty good things to start with IMO...many people throw test boosters in as well. AI's and Nettle Root products are heavily debated, so you'd have to make up your mind on that one.
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03-17-2007, 08:25 PM #4
thanks zach
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03-17-2007, 08:27 PM #5
would lean xtreme be considered a coritsol blocker?
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03-17-2007, 08:27 PM #6Back In Business
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AnytimeOriginally Posted by L Diddy
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Depends on what you are taking. Somethings don't even need PCT. Hell, using the pulse method for Epistane/Havoc you don't need PCT, but you also only get 60-70% of the effect, according to Dr. D.Originally Posted by L Diddy
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03-17-2007, 08:37 PM #8have this been proven? this seems very interesting in that no pct is needed... so what happens to the side effects? it just goes away without a pct?Originally Posted by Beejis60
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03-17-2007, 08:40 PM #9Registered User
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Cortisol suppression: lean extreme or reduce xt are both good options
Boost natural test: Many good ones out there
Of course a serm: Nolva, clomid, Torm, etc.
Liver support is also a must. check out Cycle support.
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I just noticed AI has a new product on bb.comOriginally Posted by Steve0178
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ai/mix.htm
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Your kidding me right? What the hell are you talking about? A SERM is definitley a must. And no a Test Booster isn't a must. If you want a test booster save yourself some money and get some MACA, which will also help with energy and libido, two very helpful things during PCT.Originally Posted by bLacKjAcK.
How could you possibly say the only must for PCT is a test booster. Please refrain from posting advice from now on.
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Dr. D has had lots of exposure to epistane testing (so he claims) and he feels that no PCT is needed with the pulsing stack. Go to http://www.epistane.com/ and about half the page down discusses the stacks. Could be a good idea for you, but you need to eat like a crazy mofo (maybe 4000cals a day).Originally Posted by L Diddy
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03-17-2007, 08:55 PM #13i thought that post was kinda off... i didnt know what to say, it caught me by surpriseOriginally Posted by dan7681
sounds tempting im going to look into thatOriginally Posted by Beejis60
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03-17-2007, 08:57 PM #14Registered User
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oh yeah, i cant wait to try those bad boys...40g protein MMMMOriginally Posted by ZacharyMills
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But...do you recommend them as a part of PCT?Originally Posted by Steve0178
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03-17-2007, 08:59 PM #16hmmm i love pancakesOriginally Posted by ZacharyMills
But...do you recommend them as a part of PCT?
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I would say its a must! If you dont eat your pancakes your balls with fall off and your penis will shrink!Originally Posted by ZacharyMills
But...do you recommend them as a part of PCT?
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03-17-2007, 09:03 PM #18Banned
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Mother of god! I wish I wasn't on TKD right now....Originally Posted by ZacharyMills
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Email Bloute & Krzna ASAP and tell them to update their threads!!! HURRY!!!!Originally Posted by Steve0178
Oooh sorry. You must be salivating...Originally Posted by Beejis60
You could always have them preworkout eh?
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Not really, I don't get any carb cravings really except for pretzels and that's only if I seem them lying around.Originally Posted by ZacharyMills
True that!Originally Posted by ZacharyMills
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PM sentOriginally Posted by ZacharyMills
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Definitely preworkout...you have to try to find some way to enjoy a TKD! (Besides the massive amounts of meat/cheeseOriginally Posted by Beejis60
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PHEW...I was worried that people might hurt themselves!Originally Posted by Steve0178
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Originally Posted by ZacharyMills
Definitely preworkout...you have to try to find some way to enjoy a TKD! (Besides the massive amounts of meat/cheese)
PHEW...I was worried that people might hurt themselves!
Hey man im just looking out for everyone here... you gotta be careful, ive seen too many people not use this for PCT and lose their nuts.My 45lb transformation! (updated pics toward the end)
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Tough stuff man...People really should use the cookie dough mix for extra support...but we can't force them...they'll have to learn the hard way.Originally Posted by Steve0178
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The pancakes were pretty good but IMO HCF pb cookies FTW. I havn't got a chance to try them yet but I have high hopes. I really need to pick these up soon. I have a feeling they could become my second healthy cheat food to use in combo with sushi
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>>Brown Rice<< sushi??Originally Posted by dan7681
The pancakes were pretty good but IMO HCF pb cookies FTW. I really need to pick these up soon. I have a feeling they could become my second healthy cheat food to use in combo with sushi
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yeah man they are good! i wish they still had the chocolate chip!Originally Posted by dan7681
The pancakes were pretty good but IMO HCF pb cookies FTW. I havn't got a chance to try them yet but I have high hopes. I really need to pick these up soon. I have a feeling they could become my second healthy cheat food to use in combo with sushiMy 45lb transformation! (updated pics toward the end)
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Haha, ya, I just ate 4oz of pepperoni, and a fist full of chicken, and some cesaer dressing as a "glaze"Originally Posted by ZacharyMills
Definitely preworkout...you have to try to find some way to enjoy a TKD! (Besides the massive amounts of meat/cheese)
But I will definitely hit up this pancake nonsense for preworkout of my leg days. I get nervous before leg days so I think this can help me calm my gut down.
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Definitely. Also, aren't you having carbs preworkout on a TKD? Or are you strictly a PWO carb kind of guy?Originally Posted by Beejis60
Haha, ya, I just ate 4oz of pepperoni, and a fist full of chicken, and some cesaer dressing as a "glaze" But I will definitely hit up this pancake nonsense for preworkout of my leg days. I get nervous before leg days so I think this can help me calm my gut down.
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Good call man, just dont use too much syrup or they might be coming back up during squats!Originally Posted by Beejis60
Haha, ya, I just ate 4oz of pepperoni, and a fist full of chicken, and some cesaer dressing as a "glaze" But I will definitely hit up this pancake nonsense for preworkout of my leg days. I get nervous before leg days so I think this can help me calm my gut down.My 45lb transformation! (updated pics toward the end)
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But I will definitely hit up this pancake nonsense for preworkout of my leg days. I get nervous before leg days so I think this can help me calm my gut down.
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