NoFap thread srs - Finally breaking this

[ForevaGeek]

lul im on Day 4 rn

maybe I can get a streak goin?

[4Bertuzzi4]

It's called edging brah, it's actually the worst thing you can do for addiction as your just bathing yourself in dopamine for longer. Used to do it all the time

Edit:
YBOP on edging:

I know what it's called, brah. Used "edge like crazy" in my first post. I don't even watch porn with cawks in it, just girls getting naked. The edging can be amazing, especially if you find a woman who wants to bang all day long and have multiple multiples, while you contain your final explosion for later in the day. She will appreciate you, and your dopamine hit will be fkn crazy.

Unfortunately for me, my spouse is not one of those women.

[Cleveland33]

I know what it's called, brah. Used "edge like crazy" in my first post. I don't even watch porn with cawks in it, just girls getting naked. The edging can be amazing, especially if you find a woman who wants to bang all day long and have multiple multiples, while you contain your final explosion for later in the day. She will appreciate you, and your dopamine hit will be fkn crazy.

Unfortunately for me, my spouse is not one of those women.

I do this but we save it to only releasing once a week or so

[artdecade]

lul im on Day 4 rn

maybe I can get a streak goin?

Hell yeah you got this bro, get through the first week that's the hardest part

dink is tingling hard wut do

Oh chit you the same guy lmao? You gotta keep focused, pick your reason why you wanna do this something that is worth persisting for.. Don't know you mate but if you feel you've got untapped potential, if you know there's more of you that you've not shown, then quitting this is probably the no.1 thing you can do to become the person you wanna be

I know what it's called, brah. Used "edge like crazy" in my first post. I don't even watch porn with cawks in it, just girls getting naked. The edging can be amazing, especially if you find a woman who wants to bang all day long and have multiple multiples, while you contain your final explosion for later in the day. She will appreciate you, and your dopamine hit will be fkn crazy.

Unfortunately for me, my spouse is not one of those women.

Mane you sound so addicted lmao, we all know all about edging and not even gonna touch why you think cawk-free pron is any different for your brain

[artdecade]

Day 37 - Had one of the worst night's sleep of my life last night. Just lay awake stressing about work and my immediate future. I am going through chit, as I said in my op, but this was a bit of an overaction. Reckon it could be insomnia withdrawal symptom caused by faulty stress system. Finally fell asleep at 2.15am, woke up at 3.45am, fell asleep at 5.30am and out of bed at 6.30am. Proper chit. On the plus side when i woke up at 3 I had the hardest erection i've had on this reboot, probably the hardest for a fair few months. Finally felt horny again and that's continued this evening. Good sign of progress but also makes danger of relapse more likely, can't get complacent..

Had a immensely stressful day at work, don't wanna go into it but I'll say I either grew a pair of balls or I just acted crazy impulsive. Proud of myself for being proactive, was sick of being passive and was proactive about making the change my life really needed. Not sure if the tiredness or something to do with the reboot but either way I'm proud of myself.

Bich who's messing me about finally text me today and wants to do something soon. Really tempted to tell her fck off but have to say I really wanna shag so I'll probably cave.

Overall not really a day that was impacted by the reboot, it was dominated by tiredness and work stress. Need to keep going, I'm gonna need the stability and hope offered by the reboot more than ever over next few weeks or so

[1320it]

imagine writing essays when you can be jerking off to the hottest trannies on the planet. such is the life of a wagie

[artdecade]

imagine writing essays when you can be jerking off to the hottest trannies on the planet. such is the life of a wagie

actually made me laugh lmao

[artdecade]

Day 38 - Felt okay today, nothing too major to report. To be fully honest though, i did masturbate for a two to three minutes last night. It’s not the first time, I’ve probably done this five times or so over this reboot. Not edging, obviously not doing it to anything, but I thought about it today and need to address it.

It’s likely hindering my reboot. It’s still reinforcing the same addiction pathways and probably messing up my dopamine sensitivity recovering properly. Most seriously it makes relapse to pron far more likely. Most my other streaks have followed this relapse pattern:

Masturbate every now and then > Start masturbating, not to orgasm, daily rationalising it as okay because it’s not pron > Accidentally cum whilst doing it > Rationalise that it’s not prn so I can keep doing it > Escalate to dating apps/softcore > Escalate back into pron.

Determined not to let this old domino effect happen. I’m going to fully stop any masturbating from now, completely and utterly. Not jerking even one stroke.

Not really sure why I was allowing it to happen. Kinda thought it may be okay because it was rewiring away from pron but can see it’s not letting my brain heal. Explains why I thought I wasn’t having cravings, in truth I have been only it’s been cravings to masturbate (probably knowing that’s the best route to eventual pron use) - and clearly I've not been resisting them. This is a sneaky addiction

[Cleveland33]

what negatives are you trying to fix?

[artdecade]

what negatives are you trying to fix?

Main drive to do it is to overcome social anxiety. Frustrating as I know I've got social skills, and used to show them way more, but I act exclusively like an autismo round most people now. I looked into it and realised social anxiety is about low dopamine, which makes sense in my case as most the time I just see no reason to try make small talk etc or even try with people. Chronic pron use obviously fcks up dopamine levels and I've definitely noticed a strong correlation in my life between the two, plus other times when I've quit for a bit I get better with people.

Other chit too but that's my main reason.

How about you, have you ever tried quitting/quitting now?

[Cleveland33]

Main drive to do it is to overcome social anxiety. Frustrating as I know I've got social skills, and used to show them way more, but I act exclusively like an autismo round most people now. I looked into it and realised social anxiety is about low dopamine, which makes sense in my case as most the time I just see no reason to try make small talk etc or even try with people. Chronic pron use obviously fcks up dopamine levels and I've definitely noticed a strong correlation in my life between the two, plus other times when I've quit for a bit I get better with people.

Other chit too but that's my main reason.

How about you, have you ever tried quitting/quitting now?

I've stopped porn for three months before but didn't see any changes. Fapping I'll never stop.

Just an FYI - all the negatives people now say are a result of porn addiction were attributed to "chronic masturbation" before high speed internet existed. Kids in the 80s/90s had those issues with nothing but magazines or the Sears catalog.

[artdecade]

I've stopped porn for three months before but didn't see any changes. Fapping I'll never stop.

Just an FYI - all the negatives people now say are a result of porn addiction were attributed to "chronic masturbation" before high speed internet existed. Kids in the 80s/90s had those issues with nothing but magazines or the Sears catalog.

Bro look on yourbrainonporn it's quite obvious that internet porn is very different to a Sears catalog lmao

[Cleveland33]

Bro look on yourbrainonporn it's quite obvious that internet porn is very different to a Sears catalog lmao

Been there numerous times trying to understand this whole quit porn thing - it is the same stuff they attributed to chronic masturbation in the 90s

[artdecade]

Been there numerous times trying to understand this whole quit porn thing - it is the same stuff they attributed to chronic masturbation in the 90s

It really isn't mate, the chronic masturbation panic was always a moral thing based on religion normally. This is nothing to do with the ethics or morals of it, it's simply describing why internet pron can be addicting and explaining the symptoms of an addiction. If you can't see any difference between yourbrainonporn and chronic masturbation scare I have to question your comprehension skills or that youre lying.

Let me ask you this, do you believe any of these things can be addictive:
- Gambling
- Video games
- Internet

[Cleveland33]

It really isn't mate, the chronic masturbation panic was always a moral thing based on religion normally. This is nothing to do with the ethics or morals of it, it's simply describing why internet pron can be addicting and explaining the symptoms of an addiction. If you can't see any difference between yourbrainonporn and chronic masturbation scare I have to question your comprehension skills or that youre lying.

Let me ask you this, do you believe any of these things can be addictive:
- Gambling
- Video games
- Internet

No it was not a moral thing, it was something that was treated by doctors and mental health professionals back then. It was blamed for physical issues poor sexual performance, death grip, inability to finish, etc. as well as societal and mental aspects. They used to parade chronic masturbators on the day time talk shows every now and then and how it was allegedly ruining these kids' lives.

I never said porn can't be addictive - but understand the whole situation.

[artdecade]

No it was not a moral thing, it was something that was treated by doctors and mental health professionals back then. It was blamed for physical issues poor sexual performance, death grip, inability to finish, etc. as well as societal and mental aspects. They used to parade chronic masturbators on the day time talk shows every now and then and how it was allegedly ruining these kids' lives.

I never said porn can't be addictive - but understand the whole situation.

Fair enough I've only ever seen moral arguments against masturbation but I'll take your word for it, I can definitely imagine it happening in America in the 90s haha.

If you genuinely do want to understand I'd honestly recommend watching Gary Wilson TED talk. But this is my simplified understanding:

- Dopamine is the motivation, seeking, searching, craving etc chemical
- All addictive drugs, and behavioural addictions, work by bombarding your brain with dopamine
- Internet pron has the potential to addicting because it offers endless novelty. Dopamine gets released for something new, evolution made it that way to push us to search out new areas, find new mates etc. There is also a biological phenemenon called the Coolidge Effect where a male will get renewed sexual interest for a new female. Experiments have shown that a male rat will continue to fck until it dies if you continually swap in a new female after it busts.
- Because internet pron has endless novely (new pronstars, new scenes, new fetishes) you are able to keep your dopamine levels sustained for as long as you do it.
- Any behaviour that is releasing lots of dopamine is deemed important by your brain. It creates super strong pathways attached to it, this is called senstisation. Basically makes you even more responsive to whatever behaviour/drug you're indulging in, but also leads to tolerance where you need more and more to reach the same high.
- High levels of dopamine also leads to the dopamine receptors/the amount of dopamine produced to be reduced. Numbed plesaure response leads to normal life not being as satisfying. This is called desensitisation.
- Double whammy sets in: Pron use is really exciting due to sensitisation, everything else is chit due to desensitisation so you go to pron to feel good, creating a cycle
- Enough time in this cycle leads to a molecule called deltafosb setting in. Evolution put this in place to allow binging to allow organisms to take advantage of unique opportunties. Think wolf eating entire animal, or alpha male fcking entire harem during mating season. It's supposed to temporarily remove usual 'I'm done' feeling so that it can take advantage of these naturally rare occurences.
- But obvs with prn use, or any other addiction, this never ends leading the cycle to continue.

This is simple explanation but should be clear that if this cycle continues your dopamine levels get fcked up. Dopamine is involved in so much, from socialising, depression, concentration, erections etc so it really impacts everything

[Cleveland33]

Fair enough I've only ever seen moral arguments against masturbation but I'll take your word for it, I can definitely imagine it happening in America in the 90s haha.

If you genuinely do want to understand I'd honestly recommend watching Gary Wilson TED talk. But this is my simplified understanding:

- Dopamine is the motivation, seeking, searching, craving etc chemical
- All addictive drugs, and behavioural addictions, work by bombarding your brain with dopamine
- Internet pron has the potential to addicting because it offers endless novelty. Dopamine gets released for something new, evolution made it that way to push us to search out new areas, find new mates etc. There is also a biological phenemenon called the Coolidge Effect where a male will get renewed sexual interest for a new female. Experiments have shown that a male rat will continue to fck until it dies if you continually swap in a new female after it busts.
- Because internet pron has endless novely (new pronstars, new scenes, new fetishes) you are able to keep your dopamine levels sustained for as long as you do it.
- Any behaviour that is releasing lots of dopamine is deemed important by your brain. It creates super strong pathways attached to it, this is called senstisation. Basically makes you even more responsive to whatever behaviour/drug you're indulging in, but also leads to tolerance where you need more and more to reach the same high.
- High levels of dopamine also leads to the dopamine receptors/the amount of dopamine produced to be reduced. Numbed plesaure response leads to normal life not being as satisfying. This is called desensitisation.
- Double whammy sets in: Pron use is really exciting due to sensitisation, everything else is chit due to desensitisation so you go to pron to feel good, creating a cycle
- Enough time in this cycle leads to a molecule called deltafosb setting in. Evolution put this in place to allow binging to allow organisms to take advantage of unique opportunties. Think wolf eating entire animal, or alpha male fcking entire harem during mating season. It's supposed to temporarily remove usual 'I'm done' feeling so that it can take advantage of these naturally rare occurences.
- But obvs with prn use, or any other addiction, this never ends leading the cycle to continue.

This is simple explanation but should be clear that if this cycle continues your dopamine levels get fcked up. Dopamine is involved in so much, from socialising, depression, concentration, erections etc so it really impacts everything

Yeah I've seen it and he is one of the guys I have actually emailed about it - thing is fapping can do all the same things to your dopamine that porn can. That's the part they are forgetting (cause it is easier to sell solutions to porn addiction than fapping addiction)

[artdecade]

Yeah I've seen it and he is one of the guys I have actually emailed about it - thing is fapping can do all the same things to your dopamine that porn can. That's the part they are forgetting (cause it is easier to sell solutions to porn addiction than fapping addiction)

They're not forgetting it bro that's just wrong. Guess I'm a fool cos I wrote all that out and you just didn't read it lol, masturbating doesn't have the endless novelty which is what allows pron to keep spiking your dopamine levels.

Plus have to say how is it easier to sell solutions to pron addiction lmao? It's quite hard to make money off 'stop watching pron'. It's not like they're selling pills

[Cleveland33]

They're not forgetting it bro that's just wrong. Guess I'm a fool cos I wrote all that out and you just didn't read it lol, masturbating doesn't have the endless novelty which is what allows pron to keep spiking your dopamine levels.

Plus have to say how is it easier to sell solutions to pron addiction lmao? It's quite hard to make money off 'stop watching pron'. It's not like they're selling pills

I read the whole thing - I've heard it all before and am well versed in the dopamine cycles

Masturbating certainly does spike dopamine levels, even Wilson admits that.

They sell programs, there are hundreds of them on IG.

[artdecade]

I read the whole thing - I've heard it all before and am well versed in the dopamine cycles

Masturbating certainly does spike dopamine levels, even Wilson admits that.

They sell programs, there are hundreds of them on IG.

Masturbating spikes dopamine when you start doing it but it doesn't keep spiking. That's where pron is different, you can top up dopamine at any point by switching to new video (or by just right-clicking and compiling chit loads of videos, which is what i used to do. Get the dopamine from the anticipation of pleasure than not watch them, prefering the search to actually watching).

Also have to say you seemed to start by implying that the panic about chronic masturbation was silly but now you seem to be arguing that masturbation is addicting. Confusing, I don't really understand how you can't innately know that masturbation with pron use if far more stimulating than masturbating without, why do you think people watch pron lmao?

[Cleveland33]

Masturbating spikes dopamine when you start doing it but it doesn't keep spiking. That's where pron is different, you can top up dopamine at any point by switching to new video (or by just right-clicking and compiling chit loads of videos, which is what i used to do. Get the dopamine from the anticipation of pleasure than not watch them, prefering the search to actually watching).

Also have to say you seemed to start by implying that the panic about chronic masturbation was silly but now you seem to be arguing that masturbation is addicting. Confusing, I don't really understand how you can't innately know that masturbation with pron use if far more stimulating than masturbating without, why do you think people watch pron lmao?

You can continue spiking dopamine by changing how you masturbate - even within the session. Similar to what you said about compiling videos you can have different toys or different methods etc that just knowing the change is available to you can spike the dopamine the same way.

I didn't say it was a panic, I said all the negatives people attribute to porn addiction used to be attributed to that. Both can be addicting both individually and together. The problem I have is that people are attributing it all to a porn addiction to sell stuff to guys that have other issues. They'll tell you you can't use porn or fap responsibly and that it is ruining your life. And people don't take the time to try to understand it and fall into a hole when they give up porn and fapping and don't get their life doesn't change drastically.

[artdecade]

You can continue spiking dopamine by changing how you masturbate - even within the session. Similar to what you said about compiling videos you can have different toys or different methods etc that just knowing the change is available to you can spike the dopamine the same way.

I didn't say it was a panic, I said all the negatives people attribute to porn addiction used to be attributed to that. Both can be addicting both individually and together. The problem I have is that people are attributing it all to a porn addiction to sell stuff to guys that have other issues. They'll tell you you can't use porn or fap responsibly and that it is ruining your life. And people don't take the time to try to understand it and fall into a hole when they give up porn and fapping and don't get their life doesn't change drastically.

Not the same bro, it's the endless novelty part that is what supercharges this into addictive. Chronic masturbation without pron use is a real thing I'm sure, but I'd imagine it tends to be similar to sex addiction where it's normally someone who had some sort of sexual abuse when they were young. Form of soothing etc. What makes pron addiction so dangerous is that it can hook anyone because it's a supernormal stimuli.

Most pron addicts are chronic masturbators, I know I was, but it's the pron that fcks you up. I'm sure masturbating for 5 hours every day without pron would be bad too, but if you add pron it's significantly worse.

I'm sure there are some guys making money off this but that's true about literally everything, including chronic masturbation (look at the catholic church ).

I'm not arguing that you can't use pron or fap responsibly. All I'm saying is that it can be addcitive and that being addicted leads to serious problems.

[Cleveland33]

Not the same bro, it's the endless novelty part that is what supercharges this into addictive. Chronic masturbation without pron use is a real thing I'm sure, but I'd imagine it tends to be similar to sex addiction where it's normally someone who had some sort of sexual abuse when they were young. Form of soothing etc. What makes pron addiction so dangerous is that it can hook anyone because it's a supernormal stimuli.

Most pron addicts are chronic masturbators, I know I was, but it's the pron that fcks you up. I'm sure masturbating for 5 hours every day without pron would be bad too, but if you add pron it's significantly worse.

I'm sure there are some guys making money off this but that's true about literally everything, including chronic masturbation (look at the catholic church ).

I'm not arguing that you can't use pron or fap responsibly. All I'm saying is that it can be addcitive and that being addicted leads to serious problems.

there are studies on it, the impact is similar and masturbation can hook people for stimuli as well.

So why are you tracking this here, where hardly anyone is interacting with you and not on one of the countless forums for this topic where people encourage and help each other?

[artdecade]

there are studies on it, the impact is similar and masturbation can hook people for stimuli as well.

Bro take the L, link one study saying that the impact of chronic masturbation is similar to porn addiction

So why are you tracking this here, where hardly anyone is interacting with you and not on one of the countless forums for this topic where people encourage and help each other?

To be honest I looked at some of the normal forums (Nofap, brainrebalanced etc) and I genuinely couldn't find one that allowed me to register a profile. Obviously could do reddit but that bullchit karma rule means I wouldn't be able to post for like a month.

Obviously more interaction would be great but just want an outlet really so the purpose continues whether people are replying or not.

Plus I don't really wanna preach to the choir anyway, guys on reboot forums clearly already know about it. I'm hoping someone who didn't know they had a pron addiction will read this and at least consider quitting. Kinda my way of giving back to all the other guys who've posted about their experience over the years.

[Cleveland33]

I'm hoping someone who didn't know they had a pron addiction will read this and at least consider quitting. Kinda my way of giving back to all the other guys who've posted about their experience over the years.

oh yeah there it is...lol

[artdecade]

Day 39 - Feeling a bit flat today, nothing too bad but life definitely feels quite grey. Could be a reaction to a stressful few days/weeks though, maybe just recharging. Just felt quite meh and not overly hopeful about much.

Still having low energy and motivation during the evening. I’ve actually been fairly consistently productive during the evenings over the last year, going to the gym, making a healthy dinner, solid pre-sleep routine, and getting a decent night’s sleep. That has all come crashing down over this reboot. Makes sense, dopamine lowers during initial recovery so explains why I’m struggling to maintain the standard of lifestyle I had during my pmo days at the moment. Probably the clearest symptom has been cravings for junk food. Genuinely had a really healthy diet before and hadn’t eaten junk food consistently for over a year. But now I’m craving chit food all the time. Brain lacking dopamine from pron is looking to replace that down another avenue. Definite withdrawal symptoms.

Did successfully manage to completely avoid any form of masturbation yesterday. As I said before I was being quite naive thinking that the odd 2-3 minute masturbation (not to orgasm / obvs no pron or substitute) was harmless. Definitely completely cutting it out and think it’s very achievable. Just needed to make a firm decision on it, before I left it in a grey area which allows the addict brain to start rationalising. Now I’ve got a clear boundary.

Overall not a noteworthy day. Reboot continues, hitting the big 4-0 tomorrow.

[artdecade]

oh yeah there it is...lol

And the issue is..?

Also still waiting on that study saying chronic masturbation has the same impact has pron addiction, or you gonna admit you sourced it from your ass?

[Cleveland33]

And the issue is..?

Also still waiting on that study saying chronic masturbation has the same impact has pron addiction, or you gonna admit you sourced it from your ass?

It's the same line so many other reds have dropped in here and other places about their porn addiction.

No, I'm not gonna pull the study about porn up while i'm in the office nor am I gonna bother later cause it is obvious what you are trying to do here

[artdecade]

It's the same line so many other reds have dropped in here and other places about their porn addiction.

Maybe because I'm new here but not sure what you mean by 'reds'. Doesn't surprise me if it is a standard line, urge to help others is a natural instinct most have. If you're needlessly suffered from something then it's a nice thing to want to spare others from it.

No, I'm not gonna pull the study about porn up while i'm in the office nor am I gonna bother later cause it is obvious what you are trying to do here

Lmao

Translation: "I made it up"

[Cleveland33]

Maybe because I'm new here but not sure what you mean by 'reds'. Doesn't surprise me if it is a standard line, urge to help others is a natural instinct most have. If you're needlessly suffered from something then it's a nice thing to want to spare others from it.



Lmao

Translation: "I made it up"

sure bud...just like still experiencing everything you claim to on day 39

lol