Should I cut out Muscle Milk?

[zac20133]

I am always trying to up my game to get on the next level.

I am currently in taking about 3 scoops of Muscle Milk Lean pre day.

I have done some research and it seems that Muscle Milk is not the cleanest.

Should I cut it out of my diet and if so what are some solid (clean) protein powder options?

[desslok]

In on another zac thread...

[zac20133]

In on another zac thread...

Thanks for following. And yes I know most likely you meant it negatively.

Doesn't bother me to be hated for what I know works.

I still like to learn and grow.

I'll probably end up discussing it with my trainer.

[Broscientist88]

Saw OP, saw sig, saw Red.

Everything looks in order, carry on.

[wlodarczykn]

What makes muscle milk dirty?

Other protein sources - chicken, beef, pork, fish, turkey, dairy, beans

[DGMan99]

Did you spill the muscle milk powder on the floor, and scooped it into your mouth afterwards?

If so, then I'd agree with you. It's not clean.


Also, that protein isn't the same protein and chicken protein. And those carbs aren't the same as oats carbs. Might wanna avoid it, it's more like Mountain Dew.

[Jcart159]

I am always trying to up my game to get on the next level.

I am currently in taking about 3 scoops of Muscle Milk Lean pre day.

I have done some research and it seems that Muscle Milk is not the cleanest.

Should I cut it out of my diet and if so what are some solid (clean) protein powder options?

Asks for advice....

Gets given great advice backed by scientific evidence...

Doesn't align with what Zac imagined up in his own mind to be true...

Argues with said great advice...

Yup, another Zac thread.

[zac20133]

Y'all ride me harder than my wife. Hope it feels good for ya to love me that much.

It is because of all the artificial sweeteners, etc

Ingredients: Protein Blend (Calcium Sodium Caseinate, Milk Protein Isolate, Whey Protein Isolate, Whey Protein Hydrolysate, Whey Protein Concentrate, Lactoferrin, L-Glutamine, Taurine), Maltodextrin, Alkalized Cocoa Powder, Sunflower Oil, Soluble Corn Fiber, Canola Oil, Crystalline Fructose, Medium Chain Triglycerides, Natural And Artificial Flavors, Dicalcium Phosphate, Less Than 1% of: Potassium Chloride, Inulin, Magnesium Oxide, Potassium Bicarbonate, Acesulfame Potassium, Soy Lecithin, Dl-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate, Ascorbic Acid, Sucralose, Ferrous Fumarate, Vitamin A Palmitate, Niacinamide, Zinc Oxide, Copper Gluconate, D-Calcium Pantothenate, L-Carnitine, Cholecalciferol, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Chromium Chloride, Folic Acid, Biotin, Potassium Iodide, Cyanocobalamin. Contains Ingredients Derived from Milk And Soy. This Product Is Manufactured In A Facility That Processes Milk, Soy, Wheat And Eggs.

[zac20133]

I was just wanting opinions but I will most likely wait and go over with it with my coach/trainer Friday.

[TheSteve39]

I am always trying to up my game to get on the next level.

I am currently in taking about 3 scoops of Muscle Milk Lean pre day.

I have done some research and it seems that Muscle Milk is not the cleanest.

Should I cut it out of my diet and if so what are some solid (clean) protein powder options?

Some whey products that I trust:

VP2 by AST Sports Science
Universal Ultra Whey Pro
Animal Whey
BSN Syntha-6 Isolate

Though I've never had it, I think Muscle Pharm makes a good whey product.

Hope this helps!

[ironwill2008]

Insults and flame-baiting will stop ITT.

[zac20133]

What makes muscle milk dirty?

Other protein sources - chicken, beef, pork, fish, turkey, dairy, beans

I am thinking in terms of the artificial sweeteners, etc.

[Mrpb]

Y'all ride me harder than my wife. Hope it feels good for ya to love me that much.

It is because of all the artificial sweeteners, etc

Ingredients: Protein Blend (Calcium Sodium Caseinate, Milk Protein Isolate, Whey Protein Isolate, Whey Protein Hydrolysate, Whey Protein Concentrate, Lactoferrin, L-Glutamine, Taurine), Maltodextrin, Alkalized Cocoa Powder, Sunflower Oil, Soluble Corn Fiber, Canola Oil, Crystalline Fructose, Medium Chain Triglycerides, Natural And Artificial Flavors, Dicalcium Phosphate, Less Than 1% of: Potassium Chloride, Inulin, Magnesium Oxide, Potassium Bicarbonate, Acesulfame Potassium, Soy Lecithin, Dl-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate, Ascorbic Acid, Sucralose, Ferrous Fumarate, Vitamin A Palmitate, Niacinamide, Zinc Oxide, Copper Gluconate, D-Calcium Pantothenate, L-Carnitine, Cholecalciferol, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Chromium Chloride, Folic Acid, Biotin, Potassium Iodide, Cyanocobalamin. Contains Ingredients Derived from Milk And Soy. This Product Is Manufactured In A Facility That Processes Milk, Soy, Wheat And Eggs.

I wouldn't make that a staple in my diet. I'd rather buy whey and casein with very few ingredients.

[cmacken]

I'm sure members who frequent the supplement section will be able to point you in the direction of protein powders that do not contain artificial sweeteners OP. I would ask over there. Asking more direct questions and avoiding contentious and ambiguous terms such as "clean" will probably elicit you more helpful responses in the future, just fyi.

[zac20133]

Insults and flame-baiting will stop ITT.

They have harass me for awhile. It is definitely harassment as you can see it is un-provoked in this thread. I report it to bodybuiding.com but they allow it. They have very poor advice any way and I typically ignore their input.

As you can see the mountain dew comment. That was from 3mths ago when I try to explain that Mt Dew would not be a solid carb source because it lacks micro nutrition.

I like to learn but it looks like I will get very little but harassment from this site. My coach is world class so I'll just have to be patient and consult his advice. (if I get answers like a few give me)

I have a lot to learn and I am humble enough to say that. I would like to start entering shows but have to get everything perfect.

[zac20133]

I wouldn't make that a staple in my diet. I'd rather buy whey and casein with very few ingredients.

What protein powders do you recommend?

[Mrpb]

What protein powders do you recommend?

Myprotein is independently tested and cheap, especially if you use a discount code.

Buy the casein and impact whey, mix half/half.

If you don't want artificial sweeteners you can choose the flavorless versions.

[zac20133]

Myprotein is independently tested and cheap, especially if you use a discount code.

Buy the casein and impact whey, mix half/half.

If you don't want artificial sweeteners you can choose the flavorless versions.

I love the flavorless option. I can just mix in some vanilla liquid stevia and coco powder. What site do I go to order this?

[wlodarczykn]

I'm a fan of MyProtein as well as it has tested well and is affordable.

[Mrpb]

I love the flavorless option. I can just mix in some vanilla liquid stevia and coco powder. What site do I go to order this?

Take a wild guess

[zac20133]

Take a wild guess

Yea, I will google it. Thanks for the help :-) I think I have found the route that I want to go. I am trying to find out the ingredient list, etc.

An pure Whey Protein source with liquid stevia, coco powder, and 100% peanut butter sounds dreamy lol

[Nytmair]

No reason to avoid artificial sweeteners OP. There doesn't seem to be much evidence that it has negative effects.

[gesler0811]

No reason to avoid artificial sweeteners OP. There doesn't seem to be much evidence that it has negative effects.

Not to stir it up, so to speak, and hopefully I won't get too trashed for saying this, but...

I never quite understood this logic. It seems like if someone wants to create an "artificial" ingredient in a food laboratory that otherwise is not found in nature, and then ask people to ingest it into their bodies, the burden of proof should be on them to show that consumption is beneficial, rather than the burden of proof being on the rest of us to prove it's not harmful. Does that make sense?

EDIT: And for the record, yes I do consume artificial sweeteners, albeit in limited quantities. (Sparkling Ice!!!)

[gbullock32]

Yea, I will google it. Thanks for the help :-) I think I have found the route that I want to go. I am trying to find out the ingredient list, etc.

An pure Whey Protein source with liquid stevia, coco powder, and 100% peanut butter sounds dreamy lol

NOW brand unflavored whey isolate might be the 'cleanest' you can readily buy, if additives really bother you that much.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/whey.html

[Nytmair]

Not to stir it up, so to speak, and hopefully I won't get too trashed for saying this, but...

I never quite understood this logic. It seems like if someone wants to create an "artificial" ingredient in a food laboratory that otherwise is not found in nature, and then ask people to ingest it into their bodies, the burden of proof should be on them to show that consumption is beneficial, rather than the burden of proof being on the rest of us to prove it's not harmful. Does that make sense?

EDIT: And for the record, yes I do consume artificial sweeteners, albeit in limited quantities. (Sparkling Ice!!!)

IMO consumption IS beneficial- as it has much less calories than sugar, doesn't cause insulin responses, there may be other things. People seem to jump to it being negative because it's artificial. Artificial/chemical/whatever does not automatically mean BAD/UNHEALTHY/THE DEVIL.

[Mrpb]

I never quite understood this logic. It seems like if someone wants to create an "artificial" ingredient in a food laboratory that otherwise is not found in nature, and then ask people to ingest it into their bodies, the burden of proof should be on them to show that consumption is beneficial, rather than the burden of proof being on the rest of us to prove it's not harmful. Does that make sense?

Hundreds of studies have looked at artificial sweetener consumption in humans, no significant downsides have been reported.

The studies that have reported meaningful downsides are usually high dosed animal studies.

And don't get me wrong, I try to limit my consumption of artificial sweeteners. Better safe than sorry because we don't know what future research will bring.

[zac20133]

Hundreds of studies have looked at artificial sweetener consumption in humans, no significant downsides have been reported.

The studies that have reported meaningful downsides are usually high dosed animal studies.

And don't get me wrong, I try to limit my consumption of artificial sweeteners. Better safe than sorry because we don't know what future research will bring.

I'm with you on this. The studies are very mixed in results. I am busting out 100 in the gym and I want to make sure my diet is on key. That means cutting out anything in question and they are a lot of questions with processed foods. That also being artificial sweeteners. I am trying to maximize my results and continue to improve my diet. I know it may be the little 200 cals I take in pre day, but I also believe, “Success is the sum of a lot of small things done correctly.".

[gesler0811]

Hundreds of studies have looked at artificial sweetener consumption in humans, no significant downsides have been reported.

The studies that have reported meaningful downsides are usually high dosed animal studies.

Yes, and I am trying to figure out how I feel about those "high dosed animal studies." On the one hand, you could argue that the animals' body mass is so much less than ours and they feed them way more sweetener than we as humans would ingest, which is true. However, if a positive correlation between artificial sweetener and cancer/plague/death/whatever can be established at all, it would be reasonable to conclude that consuming them at any level could pose a risk, just a reduced risk compared to the animals in the lab.

Then, on the other hand, one could argue that consumption of any substance on a great enough scale is dangerous. Drinking too much water can be fatal, that doesn't make water "bad."

It's a lot to wade through, when you're talking about your body and what you put into it. Which is why I agree with your next statement so much:

And don't get me wrong, I try to limit my consumption of artificial sweeteners. Better safe than sorry because we don't know what future research will bring.

Better safe than sorry. There was a time when trans fats and cigarettes had no known significant downsides.

[Mrpb]

Yes, and I am trying to figure out how I feel about those "high dosed animal studies." On the one hand, you could argue that the animals' body mass is so much less than ours and they feed them way more sweetener than we as humans would ingest, which is true. However, if a positive correlation between artificial sweetener and cancer/plague/death/whatever can be established at all, it would be reasonable to conclude that consuming them at any level could pose a risk, just a reduced risk compared to the animals in the lab.

Animal studies carry so many problems in them. Rats for example will get tumors from pretty much anything, wifi radiation for example. Dogs can die of chocolate.

And any substance can be lethal at high enough dosage, even water.

As long as risks only show up in high dosed animal studies I don't worry about it.

[ayyy]

Some whey products that I trust:

VP2 by AST Sports Science
Universal Ultra Whey Pro
Animal Whey
BSN Syntha-6 Isolate

Though I've never had it, I think Muscle Pharm makes a good whey product.

Hope this helps!

man bsn syntha 6 hit my stomach harder than any other protein. I still have nightmares of how I felt the morning after drinking 3 of them