what really happened at a McKinney Texas pool party

[FearThisjake]

Criminals? I wouldn't call kids having a pool party, albeit an out of control party, criminals, but hey that's just me.

Assault, destruction of property, trespassing. I'd call that criminal behavior, but hey, that's just me.

[NumeroOnce]

Assault, destruction of property, trespassing. I'd call that criminal behavior, but hey, that's just me.

And I said the ones found guilty should be arrested, but to generalize everyone there as criminals is wrong. Not sure about the assault though... from what I read, a neighbor assaulted one of the kids first. Is she a criminal too?

[jerkeife]

And I said the ones found guilty should be arrested, but to generalize everyone there as criminals is wrong. Not sure about the assault though... from what I read, a neighbor assaulted one of the kids first. Is she a criminal too?

Where I come from, you arrest people before you try them. Perhaps its different by you.

[NumeroOnce]

Where I come from, you arrest people before you try them. Perhaps its different by you.

'Found guilty' was a poor choice of words... the officer's should've simply just asked the party to disperse, despite the trespassing, property damage, etc. It's unlikely they were going to find out who was guilty of what, and throwing teens around and pulling guns on them to get to the bottom of the situation isn't worth it, as now it has become a national story. Officers just don't like to admit they're powerless in a situation, which they were in this situation because there were way too many people for them to control.

[repsDTGdaily]

'Found guilty' was a poor choice of words... the officer's should've simply just asked the party to disperse, despite the trespassing, property damage, etc. It's unlikely they were going to find out who was guilty of what, and throwing teens around and pulling guns on them to get to the bottom of the situation isn't worth it, as now it has become a national story. Officers just don't like to admit they're powerless in a situation, which they were in this situation because there were way too many people for them to control.

not sure if srs.

Your fantasy:

"Please disperse young whipper snappers"

"ok"

Reality:

"nah foo'"

Did you not hear the part where the one guy on the ground was bitching because the officer arrested him and not his friends? Did you hear the response by the officer?

[Brdprey]

Teenagers should be allowed to use drugs?

AND with that note, we graduate these kids to becoming the next ferguson rioters.

[Apeus]

Here's the full video if anyone didn't see it:




The only issue I really have, is in the first 45 seconds, the initial officer seems to be handling the situation well. He doesn't appear to feel threatened, and is acting cordially.

Then you hit the :45 second mark and in comes officer douchebag who starts throwing people to the ground, running around screaming and swearing.


He really seemed to escalate the situation.

[repsDTGdaily]

Here's the full video if anyone didn't see it:




The only issue I really have, is in the first 45 seconds, the initial officer seems to be handling the situation well. He doesn't appear to feel threatened, and is acting cordially.

Then you hit the :45 second mark and in comes officer douchebag who starts throwing people to the ground, running around screaming and swearing.


He really seemed to escalate the situation.

Officer douchebag was already there. the problem that officer douchebag had was that the people he was detaining to the ground kept getting up as if they didn't have to listen to him.

[dhaze1409]

What would Judge Dredd do?

[TaeBoNinja]

LOL @ people being upset that the officer pulled his gun.

These people don't have a clue how law enforcement works.

There is no requirement for an officer pulling their gun in all the jurisdictions that I know of. They can do so any time they please, and do so frequently.





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The real question here is why is the mainstream media in this country now trying so hard to stir up racial tension? There is clearly a concerted and constant effort to do so that picked up considerably about 2 years ago.

His superiors disagree with you, and suspended him.

[Kiknskreem]

His superiors disagree with you, and suspended him.

Pretty sure he's on an administrative (investigative) leave, not a punitive suspension.

FYI.

[NumeroOnce]

not sure if srs.

Your fantasy:

"Please disperse young whipper snappers"

"ok"

Reality:

"nah foo'"

Did you not hear the part where the one guy on the ground was bitching because the officer arrested him and not his friends? Did you hear the response by the officer?

"Please disperse... those who don't will be arrested." Most kids don't want to be arrested and will probably leave. Situation de-escalated.

[mm394006]

'Found guilty' was a poor choice of words... the officer's should've simply just asked the party to disperse, despite the trespassing, property damage, etc. It's unlikely they were going to find out who was guilty of what, and throwing teens around and pulling guns on them to get to the bottom of the situation isn't worth it, as now it has become a national story. Officers just don't like to admit they're powerless in a situation, which they were in this situation because there were way too many people for them to control.

What you are watching is only an excerpt of the entire situation. It even seems you didn't watch all of that. It is clear that the officers intended to bust up the party and pull some kids to the side to calm the situation down. It wasn't until the kids disobeyed the orders that things escalated. (this is shown and described in the video) The girl's behavior and disregard to authority certainly justified her to be cuffed. Her resisting of the arrest was what made it so violent. Also, It wasn't until the officer was charged by several people that he upholstered his weapon.

Neutering our police officers to a point where they are powerless (like you are suggesting we do) is an incredibly dangerous idea. What is to deter crime if there is no consequence? You are looking at things from an incredibly shortsighted point of view. You need to look at the larger impacts of arresting kids or letting them run free to do it again next week without learning any type of lesson about consequences for improper behavior.

"I got arrested doing that before, I ain't trying that again" or "Screw it dude, last time was awesome and nothing even happened, lets do it again"

[repsDTGdaily]

"Please disperse... those who don't will be arrested." Most kids don't want to be arrested and will probably leave. Situation de-escalated.

Again, fantasy land. The kids cops had arrested initially were ones who were breaking the law and disobeying. Read the last sentence of the post you quoted. The cops arrested the guys they caught in the act. They let everyone else go who were smart enough to stop doing what they were doing. I'm still unsure what the chick did to warrant the officer taking her down....you know, the one that went from big mouth and uppity to frightened little bitch when **** got real in her face.

[NumeroOnce]

What you are watching is only an excerpt of the entire situation. It even seems you didn't watch all of that. It is clear that the officers intended to bust up the party and pull some kids to the side to calm the situation down. It wasn't until the kids disobeyed the orders that things escalated. (this is shown and described in the video) The girl's behavior and disregard to authority certainly justified her to be cuffed. Her resisting of the arrest was what made it so violent. Also, It wasn't until the officer was charged by several people that he upholstered his weapon.

Neutering our police officers to a point where they are powerless (like you are suggesting we do) is an incredibly dangerous idea. What is to deter crime if there is no consequence? You are looking at things from an incredibly shortsighted point of view. You need to look at the larger impacts of arresting kids or letting them run free to do it again next week without learning any type of lesson about consequences for improper behavior.

"I got arrested doing that before, I ain't trying that again" or "Screw it dude, last time was awesome and nothing even happened, lets do it again"

You're right, the situation was pretty calm to begin with. It didn't really escalate until the other officer showed up, body-slamming kids and waving a gun around. But in situations where it's 3 cops dealing with 100 teens, they should've just admitted they were powerless, and just called off the party to prevent more destruction. If the officers witnessed some of them committing a crime then they should be arrested, opposed to arresting everybody and figuring out who did what after the fact.

[cyde]

I'm shocked no one was shot by armed residents defending their property from a drunk mob. Texas, I am disappoint.

[repsDTGdaily]

You're right, the situation was pretty calm to begin with. It didn't really escalate until the other officer showed up, body-slamming kids and waving a gun around. But in situations where it's 3 cops dealing with 100 teens, they should've just admitted they were powerless, and just called off the party to prevent more destruction. If the officers witnessed some of them committing a crime then they should be arrested, opposed to arresting everybody and figuring out who did what after the fact.

You and TaeBo...for as similar of posting you guys do, you likewise contradict eachother so horribly.

[NumeroOnce]

You and TaeBo...for as similar of posting you guys do, you likewise contradict eachother so horribly.

So what you're saying is that we're two different posters who agree on some things and disagree on others? Wow, what a crazy concept.

[Messier_Object]

I doubt the teenagers we're plotting to attack or kill the officer. I think the cops had a right to be called, but once they got there they probably started arresting/apprehending whoever without determining who was guilty of what, which only further escalates the situation. They should've just broken it up and sent everyone home.

And apparently the PD felt his pulling out a gun was unwarranted too, because they did suspend him.

1. He tried breaking it up. The people he caught and handcuffed are the people that did not leave when he tried to make them....leave!

2. He pulled his gun when two guys ran up on him and one kinda crouched over and reached behind his back. When I pull my gun, it's a somewhat similar action. He was focused on the girl and caught the movement out of his peripheral. When he pulled his gun, the guy took off, he yelled for the officer to follow him, and he put his gun back in his holster. It was completely justified.

3. He wasn't suspended. It's fairly common to be placed on administrative leave when you pull your gun until after the investigation takes place. It's not punishment.

I swear.....do some of you people wake up in the morning with they intention of being dumb?

[LukeLissen]

His superiors disagree with you, and suspended him.

His superiors disagree with me on what? [and he was placed on administrative leave pending investigation]

[RIKTER]

The issue isn't that cops broke up the party, but that a firearm was shown.

Teens throwing unauthorized parties is nothing new. We just don't expect guns to come into play.

2 men half assed charged the cop, while he was attempting to subdue one of the loud mouth clowns..when one charges a cop, one loses the benefit of doubt regarding their intentions..

[GreatOldOne]

I'm shocked no one was shot by armed residents defending their property from a drunk mob. Texas, I am disappoint.

They probably didn't want to spend the rest of their life in jail waiting to be executed.

[Jesse_l_g]

2 men half assed charged the cop, while he was attempting to subdue one of the loud mouth clowns..

So that makes it ok to threatened their life by pointing a gun at them?....WTF....that's how people accidentally get shot. The other officers even rushed in and kind of held back the out of line cop after he started waving his gun around. Right after that the girl was sitting on the ground and he started shoving her face into the ground.

Look. I don't think this was a race issue. Clearly the kids were out of line. That doesn't make what the officer did ok.

[NumeroOnce]

1. He tried breaking it up. The people he caught and handcuffed are the people that did not leave when he tried to make them....leave!

2. He pulled his gun when two guys ran up on him and one kinda crouched over and reached behind his back. When I pull my gun, it's a somewhat similar action. He was focused on the girl and caught the movement out of his peripheral. When he pulled his gun, the guy took off, he yelled for the officer to follow him, and he put his gun back in his holster. It was completely justified.

3. He wasn't suspended. It's fairly common to be placed on administrative leave when you pull your gun until after the investigation takes place. It's not punishment.

I swear.....do some of you people wake up in the morning with they intention of being dumb?

Witnesses said that the officers requested they leave, and then they got mad at them for leaving. Perhaps it was miscommunication on the officer's part, but the video isn't really clear who was handcuffed for what. I still don't think pulling a gun was necessary... I don't think the threat that the officer was in danger dealing with partying teens is reasonable, and one way or another pulling a gun out makes the situation worse.

[RagnarLothbrook]

They probably didn't want to spend the rest of their life in jail waiting to be executed.

It would've been easy to beat that charge. Just go instigate some **** and wait for one of em to get uppity and then smoke his dumb ass. The rest will leave then.

[GreatOldOne]

It would've been easy to beat that charge. Just go instigate some **** and wait for one of em to get uppity and then smoke his dumb ass. The rest will leave then.

Uh huh.

[mm394006]

So that makes it ok to threatened their life by pointing a gun at them?....WTF....that's how people accidentally get shot. The other officers even rushed in and kind of held back the out of line cop after he started waving his gun around. Right after that the girl was sitting on the ground and he started shoving her face into the ground.

Look. I don't think this was a race issue. Clearly the kids were out of line. That doesn't make what the officer did ok.

The group showed significant intent that they were going to attack the officer. There is no such thing as an unarmed attack on a police officer. Everyone knows that cops carry guns so any attack on an officer involves a gun that can potentially be used by either party if not diffused immediately by the officer. The kids put him in that situation. He did not draw until it seemed an attack was imminent. For all we know it very well might have happened if he didn't draw. It is pretty unreasonable to expect officers to wait until they are attacked by four assailants before taking action to control a situation. He was clearly in imminent danger and did effectively diffuse the situation.

Are you referring to the girl who repeatedly resisted arrest? That girl?

[Jesse_l_g]

The group showed significant intent that they were going to attack the officer.

Uh huh. Stopped reading here.

[NumeroOnce]

The group showed significant intent that they were going to attack the officer. There is no such thing as an unarmed attack on a police officer. Everyone knows that cops carry guns so any attack on an officer involves a gun that can potentially be used by either party if not diffused immediately by the officer. The kids put him in that situation. He did not draw until it seemed an attack was imminent. For all we know it very well might have happened if he didn't draw. It is pretty unreasonable to expect officers to wait until they are attacked by four assailants before taking action to control a situation. He was clearly in imminent danger and did effectively diffuse the situation.

Are you referring to the girl who repeatedly resisted arrest? That girl?

The officer's presence and they way they are perceived often escalates a situation in itself, which is why I think massive overhaul is needed.

Yeah the girl resisted arrest... but was she guilty of doing anything in the first place? She was invited and didn't do anything wrong, and allegedly mouthing the cop is what got her tossed. Are cops feelings being threatened enough to justify his reaction?

And one thing that nobody seems to want to discuss is that a grown white woman allegedly started this incident by hurling racial slurs and picking a fight with a teenager... anybody want to discuss her as being worthy of an arrest?

According to BuzzFeed News's David Mack's report on the incident, Grace Stone, a white 14-year-old, said when she and her friends responded to white adults' comments that the black pool party guests should return to "Section 8 [public housing]," the older women became violent.

The police were called, and Brandon Brooks, a white 15-year-old, took out his cellphone to record what happened next — creating a record of the event that he later posted to YouTube, along with this commentary: "So the cops just started putting everyone on the ground and in handcuffs for no reason. This kind of force is uncalled for especially on children and innocent bystanders."


"I think a bunch of white parents were angry that a bunch of black kids who don't live in the neighborhood were in the pool," he told BuzzFeed. He made it clear that he felt he was spared because of his race, saying, "Everyone who was getting put on the ground was black, Mexican, Arabic. [The cop] didn't even look at me. It was kind of like I was invisible."

"You can see in part of the video where he tells us to sit down, and he kinda like skips over me and tells all my African-American friends to go sit down," he said in a Monday interview with CW33.

http://www.vox.com/2015/6/9/8747567/...ty-white-teens

Let's also keep in mind that the original police call was for unauthorized people in the pool, not necessarily what they were doing.

[mm394006]

The officer's presence and they way they are perceived often escalates a situation in itself, which is why I think massive overhaul is needed.

Yeah the girl resisted arrest... but was she guilty of doing anything in the first place? She was invited and didn't do anything wrong, and allegedly mouthing the cop is what got her tossed. Are cops feelings being threatened enough to justify his reaction?

And one thing that nobody seems to want to discuss is that a grown white woman allegedly started this incident by hurling racial slurs and picking a fight with a teenager... anybody want to discuss her as being worthy of an arrest?



http://www.vox.com/2015/6/9/8747567/...ty-white-teens

Let's also keep in mind that the original police call was for unauthorized people in the pool, not necessarily what they were doing.

The officer's presence and they way they are perceived often escalates a situation in itself, which is why I think massive overhaul is needed.

Yeah the girl resisted arrest... but was she guilty of doing anything in the first place? She was invited and didn't do anything wrong, and allegedly mouthing the cop is what got her tossed. Are cops feelings being threatened enough to justify his reaction?

And one thing that nobody seems to want to discuss is that a grown white woman allegedly started this incident by hurling racial slurs and picking a fight with a teenager... anybody want to discuss her as being worthy of an arrest?



http://www.vox.com/2015/6/9/8747567/...ty-white-teens

Let's also keep in mind that the original police call was for unauthorized people in the pool, not necessarily what they were doing.

The girl was participating in a mob that had broken several laws including trespassing, vandalism, and failure to comply. She was not initially thrown to the ground and cuffed. She was told to leave several times and refused and became confrontational.

How would you prefer the cop to handle her. Tell her "oh it's okay for you to not listen or obey the law because you are resisting me, but hey you guys I already contained who are sitting on the grass and listening, don't you go and get up". If he doesn't control her what stops every other kid he has already contained from just getting up and going back to doing what they are doing.

Given that, I'm genuinely curious how you (or anyone else) would handle that situation with the girl who wouldn't leave??




If the accounts of what the other woman did are true and she did, in fact, actually assault another person, then of course she should be held responsible. Racial slurs alone, though incredibly low-class, are not a reason to be arrested. Assault, however, absolutely would warrant arrest if witnessed by the police. If the police did not witness it directly, but there were enough witnesses and evidence of an assault then she should have her day in court at a later date the same as if this happened anywhere else.

I'm also a little confused how that woman "started" the issue when the party was planned a month in advance that would directly violate the rules of the HOA. I also don't believe she was reported as the one doing the vandalism.