say if you have to defend your self against like 3-4 people, what is the best?
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You can't beat 3-4 guys who want to hurt you.
1 on 1 you have a chance, but anymore than that, unless they're complete pussies, you're going to get battered.
Muay Thai and boxing are the best self defence disciplines imo
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lol at taking on 3-4 guys
if you have to fight against 3-4 sober guys you are really brain dead unless you can hit like mike tyson
in my opinion both are really good, with kickboxing you obviously learn how to do useful kicks to the leg/groin area but you will always lack the power and technique to throw punches.
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Jeremy Yablonski and Jon Mirasty (minor league hockey goon legends) took on about 10 drunk Russians.
Handing out naps with ease.
But those are guys who have taken literally thousands of bare fists to the head and know how to roll with a punch, just tuck their chins in and start throwing bombs.
I'm talking mere mortals, not beasts.
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01-21-2015, 01:57 AM #16
I used to train at a kick boxing gym & the guys were all training for some upcoming fights. The same night there was a few boxing matches on so a boxing club rang up and asked if one of the their guys who would be fighting the same night could come down and do some sparring with the best guy we had.
From memory (20 years ago now) I am pretty sure they only boxed & the boxer cut through our best guy like a knife through butter. He was obviously extremely skilled though.
They both won their respective fights on the night.
Ultimately it comes down to the skill of the person, someone who is 10% better than another can make them look like they do not know what they are doing.
One thing I will say about boxing is you only have to worry about being really good with your hands, it simplifies things & in some ways makes it easier.
I know when I used to do sparring doing boxing only I was always way less stressed out than when grappling/knees/kicks were allowed.
These days the closest I get to fighting is a body combat class & it always amazes me when these tough looking dudes come into the class & they try and throw a punch or kick & it just looks so pathetic.
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01-21-2015, 04:03 AM #18
I've trained with a guy who used to be a competitive kickboxer as well as people that are good with their hands. To be honest I'd be more worried about going up against a boxer than a kickboxer. Someone with good boxing skills can catch you without you even seeing it. A kickboxer can be overwhelmed much easier.
Obviously anyone that is really good at either discipline is going to be able to defend themselves though.
Just my experience/opinion."Remember that you are an Englishman, and have consequently won first prize in the lottery of life." - Cecil Rhodes
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I was boxing for 8 years...
...in and out of a couple others, but you're only asking about boxing and kickboxing, KB I've never trained for...
...I gotta say though, KB is likely to win (no BS about experience/skill of you or the opp, we're talking general here).
The way I see it, the closer you can mimic the situation in training, in terms of offence, defence and mental, the more familiar you'll be with it, the better your skills will be in that scenario, and the easier you'll be able to show them off.
Do you really think you'll ever get into a street fight where guys are gonna do nothing but throw clean punches? No. They will grab you, they will kick you, probably in the sack, or in the legs, try to take you down, cos if you don't train to build and defend against these, you're probably gonna get hit hard. On top of this, you limit your own capacity to attack by taking out powerful kicks and other methods, by training mainly to throw punches, and no matter how good you are with these, you don't need to be a world class boxer to throw a good punch, you'd likely be better off being an above average puncher, kicker, grappler, than an amazing puncher, in a street fight.
We could punch the **** outta untrained people, and boxing would without a doubt be sufficient to defend against a lot of street fight scenarios, and compared to KB, it's still a very decent choice, but KB is basically closer to the situation you'll be in, you'll be able to defend at least adequately against the attacks your opponent is likely to use (whereas boxers won't pay nearly as much attention to these), and you'll be able to attack in more various ways moderately effectively (in a street fight scenario, this is a huge benefit).
The negatives that come from not training to attack or defend against a wide variety of styles (as in boxing) cannot be compensated for simply by being great in 1 aspect, when a street fight presents multiple opportunities of offence and defence.Last edited by CJ93UK; 01-21-2015 at 10:13 AM.
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01-21-2015, 11:22 PM #29
muay thai > boxing
the addition of kicks and clinching is a huge advantage
to be specific, dutch muay thai would be best since they use more combinations and more punches whereas the thai tend to stand in front of eachother and trade kicks. they will sometimes literally kick, get kicked, kick, get kicked, kick, get kicked, and then maybe punch and move.GSF
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