What Kobe fans don't want to hear....

[sdballer5588]

Giving away multiple draft picks for Nash and then signing him to that contract has hurt the franchise.
The Dwight Howard saga has hurt the franchise.
Not offering Phil a coaching job has hurt the franchise.
Making bad trades, losing draft picks for guys like Ramon Sessions, etc. has hurt the franchise

Multiple things have led to this. But Kobe being selfish (why? because he averages 1 shot more than the next guy? or because of his contract that the Lakers offered him on their own?) is low on that list

Dwight Howard left because of Kobe dude.

[Lasers1]

The writer may not be enamored with Kobe but everything said in that article rings true.

Proof is in the pudding.

Sessions left to go to the worst team in the league (at the time).
No, the Lakers let him go because they had just traded multiple picks for Nash + gave him that contract

Bynum left.
He got traded

Howard left.

Just like he left Orlando and probably will leave Houston the second things turn sour. He's alienated almost every teammate he's ever had, but it's fun to act like Kobe "ran him out of town" all by himself

Melo, George, Lebron and Bosh all said nothanksjeff.
Melo went for the $$. George was never leaving in the first place. Lebron was never a serious thing. And I don't think the Lakers even recruited Bosh

Next will prob be Westbrook and Love.

Okay

[Lasers1]

uhh yeah cause Lakers traded him for Dwight. Don't forget about prime Artest signing summer of 09 and prime Odom same year reupping with the Lakers. You could also look at Karl Malone and Gary Payton in 2003.

For every "testimonial" about Kobe being a bad teammate, selfish etc., there are a dozen about how he's a great teammate, mentor, etc. BUT THAT DOESN'T SELL

And you all eat it up

[sdballer5588]

For every "testimonial" about Kobe being a bad teammate, selfish etc., there are a dozen about how he's a great teammate, mentor, etc. BUT THAT DOESN'T SELL

And you all eat it up

There are zero testimonials from sane human beings. Zero.

Last time you posted that JOSH MCROBERTS said he was great. Damn bro. Incredible...


You also have that ratio SO backwards. For every DOZEN insulting reviews, you hear 1 very rare positive review, usually from someone who STILL has close ties to kobe. Ron Artest lol

[alphamale5010]

I'm expecting most of the kobe fan boys to avoid this thread like the plague.


Truth hurts *******s

[Lasers1]

There are zero testimonials from sane human beings. Zero.

Last time you posted that JOSH MCROBERTS said he was great. Damn bro. Incredible...

Idk if I've ever posted that, but if I did, why the fukk do you even remember that? That's beyond weird and sad dude, that had to have been over 2 years ago

You also have that ratio SO backwards. For every DOZEN insulting reviews, you hear 1 very rare positive review, usually from someone who STILL has close ties to kobe. Ron Artest lol

Every former Laker with the exception of Shaq, Dwight Smush Parker and MAYBE 1-2 other guys have had nothing but positivity.

[sdballer5588]

Idk if I've ever posted that, but if I did, why the fukk do you even remember that? That's beyond weird and sad dude, that had to have been over 2 years ago




Every former Laker with the exception of Shaq, Dwight Smush Parker and MAYBE 1-2 other guys have had nothing but positivity.

Yeah you don't normally talk to people with brains. Also strong everything at the 2 best teammates he has ever had calling him a bad teammate.

[4567081110]

You know basketball season is near when sdballer is going off on pseudo-laker (aka Kobe) fans. Only one week until the real fun begins

[RAdaRuggedMan]

Kobe sucks, is a rapist, and has a bad attitude. What else is new?

[Lasers1]

Yeah you don't normally talk to people with brains. Also strong everything at the 2 best teammates he has ever had calling him a bad teammate.

Because Shaq and Dwight are prime examples of good teammates themselves?

[nvrstopworking]

uhh yeah cause Lakers traded him for Dwight. Don't forget about prime Artest signing summer of 09 and prime Odom same year reupping with the Lakers. You could also look at Karl Malone and Gary Payton in 2003.

Artest is cray and Odom just wanted to be back in the one place that he DIDN'T suck.

Malone and Payton wanted to play with Shaq. Kobe was a bonus. Let's not get things twisted.

[XeReaZ]

Lol at all the haters what do you expect with an aging super star who's own front office offered him way too much money in the first place? Kobe has some of the blame, but far down the long list. If you think most aging superstars won't have the same problems with the exception of dull Duncan you guys are crazy. Brb Pringles over Jackson, hobled Steve Nash who has done nothing but waste cap space and draft picks, Dwight had half a back and Is a known team cancer and didn't he just walk out on Orlando? Oh wait more fun to say it's Kobes fault and not to Mention the author of this article lol just lol.

[nvrstopworking]

Lol at all the haters what do you expect with an aging super star who's own front office offered him way too much money in the first place? Kobe has some of the blame, but far down the long list. If you think most aging superstars won't have the same problems with the exception of dull Duncan you guys are crazy. Brb Pringles over Jackson, hobled Steve Nash who has done nothing but waste cap space and draft picks, Dwight had half a back and Is a known team cancer and didn't he just walk out on Orlando? Oh wait more fun to say it's Kobes fault and not to Mention the author of this article lol just lol.

It's been a known fact that one of the reasons why the Spurs are still so successful is that Duncan has willingly taken a back seat these past few years and let other guys (like Parker, Manu and now Kawhi) carry the load. He's also taken less in terms of money to keep them financially responsible.

Kobe and Duncan (and Dirk) couldn't be more different.

[Rebounds45]

Who cares, he's about to retire anyway. Keep getting dem cheques.

[BeastModeFTW]

Artest is cray and Odom just wanted to be back in the one place that he DIDN'T suck.

Malone and Payton wanted to play with Shaq. Kobe was a bonus. Let's not get things twisted.

Lamar Odom Career Stats Before Lakers: (16,8,4.5). Odom resigned with the Lakers in 2009 after the worst year in his career (statically) and after a year where he was a bench player for the first time in his career. Still, he bypassed the opportunity for a bigger role, more playing time and more money in Miami in a place where he had arguably the best year of his career (2004- 17,10,4). So no your Odom argument is invalid.

[FGCHENG]

Henry Abbott is a way better writer than what he does on truehoop TV. Who watches that ****? Obviously I'm a big Kobe fan, but I see his points.

[BrawnySwoleman]

I saw Henry Abbott's name, so I didn't read, but I get the gist of it and don't dispute it. Kobe is an abrasive guy and it's definitely hurt our chances at landing another All-Star caliber player. Pretty much every Laker fan I talk to in real life was not happy when the announcement of his contract extension came out because we all know it cripples the team going forward. It's unfortunate that we're wasting the twilight of his career, although a bit of blame goes his way for that.

[HarpoonBrah]

That ridiculous contract has the organization hostage

the reason nobody went there isn't cause of Kobe, its his contract. You can only sign 1 more good player with that contract and 2 good players = 8th seed in the west if you're lucky. Kobe is old as fuk and will retire soon so no long term chit going on.

also staff is chit tier along with every other player

another thing is that very few players would fit in with Kobe's play style


not a laker fan btw

[FGCHENG]

That ridiculous contract has the organization hostage

the reason nobody went there isn't cause of Kobe, its his contract. You can only sign 1 more good player with that contract and 2 good players = 8th seed in the west if you're lucky. Kobe is old as fuk and will retire soon so no long term chit going on.

also staff is chit tier along with every other player

another thing is that very few players would fit in with Kobe's play style


not a laker fan btw

Agree with this, but I'm not gonna put it all on Kobe. Lakers' management went full potato offering Kobe that sort of money in the first place knowing full well how the salary cap works. When you're offered 24 million a year, I don't care if you're as rich as Kobe, you're going to take that money. But in taking that money, it also tells me that Kobe doesn't believe in the Lakers' organization anymore, and he's just out to get his. I'm sure he wasn't that stubborn to think that he can take the 24 million and win too.

[1800_Cool_Guy]

I wonder what's going to happen to the Kobetards after Kobe retires in 2 yrs.

[ClevageGobbler]

Like it or hate it, it's a well-written article IMO. Outlines why the Lakers have been struggling for the past few years and why they'll likely continue to struggle until Kobe calls it quits.

http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/stor...akers-downfall

Some excerpts:
















I honestly feel bad for the real Laker fans (not the Kobe fanboys). Gotta be tough watching your team spin it's wheels while every top tier FA avoids you or turns you down.

Dude is a great player without a doubt, but he's never been willing to set aside the ego and let someone else shine. Lol.... saw another blurb just the other day with Bryant telling rookie Julius Randle that "if he fuks this up he's an idiot".

Guy just doesn't get it. Yes, yes, I know... 5 rings, blah, blah, blah.... but it really could have been so much more.

The ****

There's a reason we aren't dead last in the conference and that's because Kobe Bryant is still playing smh at these lames thinking otherwise. It's a business. Kobe is one of the few men in the league who recognize that and take care of that aspect of the life. All these executives saying Kobe harmed this or whatever are just making excuses for their own shortcomings. Lol let me know when other players on the team start putting in 12+ hour workdays in the gym, court, elsewhere like Kobe does. The way the man works he deserves the money he earns. Point blank no other way around that. This article is just taking shots at him. The Lakers are dying by him? That's some bull****. Lakers suck because nobody is stepping their game up. Our team defense is weaker than ever yet Kobe, the only one who is putting the team in a position to win games is the problem. Okay. It's D'Antoni's and the entire team's fault. Not just Kobe's. He's surrounded by players who haven't improved their game in years and are just coasting through seasons with no bonafide championship aspirations. Nobody else has the vision.

This article doesn't break anything down it's just a bunch of sensational bull**** coming written by some hoe ass *****.

[srom12]

It's called having a life, making money and getting pussy, things you obviously know nothing about

Kinda sad to see you're still here doing the same $hit tho

lmaoo

[SompletelyCober]

It's called having a life, making money and getting pussy, things you obviously know nothing about

Kinda sad to see you're still here doing the same $hit tho

[XeReaZ]

It's been a known fact that one of the reasons why the Spurs are still so successful is that Duncan has willingly taken a back seat these past few years and let other guys (like Parker, Manu and now Kawhi) carry the load. He's also taken less in terms of money to keep them financially responsible.

Kobe and Duncan (and Dirk) couldn't be more different.

Ok? Did you not read my post. I said Duncan was the exception, one on a small list of aging superstars willingly taking a paycut/back seat.

[FlashWad3]

Bottom 3 = another draft pick. IM fine with that. We need to continue to get these picks until Kobes contract is up. We werent winning anything this year or next anyways

Lol at Lakers fans actually being fine with this. "Wait until Kobes contract is up"...... what does that tell you? He shouldn't have had the contract in the first place but hes a selfish piece of **** who doesn't know when his times up.

Even Wade knows hes not as good as he once once and took a big pay cut this year, hes still going to be a hall of famer. What's Kobes just running his name through dirt trying to prove nothing.

Don't get me wrong Kobe is on of the GOATs but hes single handedly ruined the Lakers to suit him

[brobeansprah]

Do you retards realize that this is espn getting back at him for calling them idiots? Some people are so gullible.

[Swept]

Kobe the cancer


Lakers should amnesty him when they had the chance, this whole loyalty stuff is a bunch chit, your running a business not a retirement center. I would traded Kobe last year now they're phucked

[waytoodeep03]

You could have been though..... You EASILY could have. All he had to do was calm down and take a back seat to Dwight the year that he was here. Soothe his ego if need be... get his back. Lakers could have had another top C for the next decade. And who knows who would've come aboard this off-season if that was the case? Possibly George? Melo?

It's a shame.

We werent winning a damn thing with Howards punk ass. The guy sucks and cant shoot a free throw. Id be surprised if he ever makes it to the Finals again. You foul him you win.


Our goal was to lure Durant over once he is a FA with OKC.

[HankScorp1o]

Kobe the cancer


Lakers should amnesty him when they had the chance, this whole loyalty stuff is a bunch chit, your running a business not a retirement center. I would traded Kobe last year now they're phucked

Wow all it took for Swept to finally stop going full potato on the sports misc and finally post something halfway intelligible was the milestone of reaching his 2900th post. Congratulations brah, you're slightly less of a dullard than you were yesterday.

[socrates07]

kobe dans gonna kobe dans

phil jackson himself said he was "uncoachable"

I'm not even in the NBA and I wouldn't want him on my team if I was

me me and me, he's horrible