Moral Obligation

[NorwichGrad]

License plates?

IDK.

I'm disappoint, man.. I expected you to say 'Test Johnson & Johnson's latest extra lube KY lubricant.'

[dbx]

"Obligation" can be a very ambiguous word, and I suspect that this thread will ultimately, not end well .

[Brackneyc]

I'm disappoint, man.. I expected you to say 'Test Johnson & Johnson's latest extra lube KY lubricant.'

Chickidy check your self before you wreck your self, big d.......................

Words to live by.

[NorwichGrad]

"Obligation" can be a very ambiguous word, and I suspect that this thread will ultimately, not end well .

Of course not, dbx.. We're already talkin' 'bout KY lubes and $hit..

[anonymous]

How do prisons generate revenue?

Hopefully you're being deliberately obtuse, the legal system gets incredibly rich off tax dollars. Companies like cca make a profit from prisons and when theres a loss its passed back to the taxpayer.

Prisons employ tens of thousands of people, the prison unions spend millions buying senators like Frankenstein to try to keep drugs illegal here in ca

Ignoring the moral aspect It's grossly wasteful stimulus spending, Keynesian economics at its worst.

[BlackSwan88]

so says the poster boy for nambla

You originally post about living a rightious life, then when someone makes a mature comment that you seem to take exception to, you begin insulting them. Sweet.

Obviously, your grasp of historical fact shows that Epistemology is not one of your strong suits. You may want to go back to watching NASCAR racing or deworming your goats or is it banjo playing?

[anonymous]

so the reason why drugs are illegal is because without drug laws, the prison revenues would dry up....



sweet !

1/4 of our prison population has been convicted of a drug offense

http://www.justicepolicy.org/images/...ugTx_AC-PS.pdf

Theyre illegal because of racist legislation in the last century , but for practical reasons the wod keeps police and federal departments funded, keeps prisons full and gives police leverage over suspects. The NSA and patriot act is used largely for catching drug dealers, federal spending on the "war on terror" blurs over into the wod, trampling our civil liberties.

or are you being facetious ? It's hard to tell online sometimes. You do seem very pro govt. so maybe not.

Since you vote in my state I hope you at least are aware of the ccpoas influence on prop 184, 19, etc.

[Brackneyc]

Hopefully you're being deliberately obtuse, the legal system gets incredibly rich off tax dollars. Companies like cca make a profit from prisons and when theres a loss its passed back to the taxpayer.

Prisons employ tens of thousands of people, the prison unions spend millions buying senators like Frankenstein to try to keep drugs illegal here in ca

Ignoring the moral aspect It's grossly wasteful stimulus spending, Keynesian economics at its worst.

Can I open my own prison?

[ChazWood]

And as far as private corps running prisons, I guess I've been out of the loop a while on the penology front. I have known for quite some time that probation entities are more and more run by private companies, but I'm unaware of prisons. I'd be interested to know (srs).

There's an excellent doc on the subject; more details can be found here:

http://www.thehouseilivein.org/

[dbx]

Can I open my own prison?

No, the dude from Ohio, proved that it's NOT a good idea.

There's an excellent doc on the subject; more details can be found here:

http://www.thehouseilivein.org/

Thanks, will read!

EDIT: Well, that took two seconds of my life. Can you redirect?

[Zenshi]

This is why I summarily reject appeals to morality. Invariably they are masked in the notion that somehow the sequence of thoughts that go through the appealer are of a sufficient degree of perfection that the only way another could come do a different conclusion is because of corrupting external factors or inherent intellectual weakness of the appealed. It reminds me of the berating I took from the Southern Baptists as a child - how could I possibly not see the beauty that they see? How could I voluntarily miss out on the joy? Who corrupted me? The Devil? No one, I looked at the world through my own eyes, did my own estimates, weighed the risks and rewards, and came to my own conclusions and stood fast.

I think my brain exploded when I first read this. After reading it a few more times, I thought "hey this is good".

[dbx]

And back to today's regular programming...........

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someone should post a parody of this thread....


owait....

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you got things under control or are you still pissed off ?

forever pissed off/10

[so-tex]

Meh, My moral obligations only pertain to me.
1) Honor God. He is the most important part of my life, because I am a very big sinner.
2)Honor, and take care of your family.
3) Treat people the way you would want to treat you.
As for as politics and American policies go? It is better that I shut my mouth on this subject.

[paolo59]

someone should post a parody of this thread....


owait....

A "parody of this thread?" The OP couched an interesting and perplexing question. Seems to me there was some thought behind the post. Often, myself included, there is no thought whatsoever behind a post popped up! Not that any one of us will ever 'fix' the world's problems mind you! I'm getting old. There are things that matter, no? The world is a mess, we could all agree...then again, there are things that we could do...Ha ha ha!

[LisaSkinnoble]

A "parody of this thread?" The OP couched an interesting and perplexing question. Seems to me there was some thought behind the post. Often, myself included, there is no thought whatsoever behind a post popped up! Not that any one of us will ever 'fix' the world's problems mind you! I'm getting old. There are things that matter, no? The world is a mess, we could all agree...then again, there are things that we could do...Ha ha ha!

You missed a really horrible ugly display in the O35 tonight.

[paolo59]

You missed a really horrible ugly display in the O35 tonight.

Ha ha!!! I consider myself fortunate! You and I can always raise a cup of...'tea', or better yet coffee! LMAO "Real life," that ugly, daily thing that faces us each and every morning, is more than enough to fill my plate! If I were the 'king of the world' things would be different! Oh, God.....what a mess things would be! Young lady, it's simple things. Family, love, about to slap the (%*^ out of somebody daily...and coffee! Who can deal with more than that? That's enough for me.

[paolo59]

forever pissed off/10

Here I go...neither here nor there! LMAO But just why the hell not? We 'tweak' noses by the dozens, and say things that we have no business saying! LMAO Marry the lovely young lady. Just what are you waiting for brother? Sorry. I can't help it. I'm an old, conservative, knee jerk, greying around...around everything, old man! Ha ha...it's none of my business. But I've made it my own! LOL No disrespect intended. I do trust that that is understood. Ha! I don't think you could do better! Utmost respect. Just what does any of this have to do with freakin' Syria anyway?

[kingoftroys]

so says the poster boy for nambla

Oh good,my current cut must be working!!! Yeeehaa!!
Expected an intelligent response from you and you did not disappoint. You should be proud.

[kingoftroys]

Actually Oceanside I just wanted to see if I could "rustle your jimmies" . You really shouldn't give a single f*ck what I say or think, I'm a stranger on an internet forum....No hard feelings. Peace out!

[ChazWood]

Thanks, will read!

EDIT: Well, that took two seconds of my life. Can you redirect?

[melvimbe]

someone should post a parody of this thread....


owait....

Not sure I had an intended direction for this thread, but this is not what I expected. I learn.

[-=FLEX=-]

Not sure I had an intended direction for this thread, but this is not what I expected. I learn.

You are very unaware...and I'm not taking the time to aware you.

Carry on.

[so-tex]

Actually Oceanside I just wanted to see if I could "rustle your jimmies" . You really shouldn't give a single f*ck what I say or think, I'm a stranger on an internet forum....No hard feelings. Peace out!

I'm quite sure you made Oceanside lose sleep.

[kingoftroys]

I'm quite sure you made Oceanside lose sleep.

Do ya think?

[NorwichGrad]

Horsepucky.
Amurica (I talk here of it's government and not of it's citizens ) has a long history of hiding behind "moral obligations" and self righteousness when in real tea it's all about the money and demonstrating that the U.S should not be phucked with.
and only when it's convenient for the U.S.

We'll start with WW1. Your govt. entered the war late and claimed victory AFTER the majority of the fighting was over and Europe left ravaged.
WW2, same sh*t but you did way better than WW1
And the bullsh*t that was the Cold War...the beacon of Western society *barf* fights for democracy and against communism...one big phuck up after another. We're lucky to still have the world intact after that.
Iraq 1 & 2...absolute awesome demonstration of U.S firepower and technology proving to your populace that the govt. needs all dem dur money for arms when the real deal was the oil and a ******* dictator that pissed in your president's cornflakes.
Afghanistan...job done, nothing more to see here, Osama's dead., opium profits secured. Unless we're gonna give the poppy field workers unions we should all leave.

And where was the moral obligation when the Jews were being rounded up starting in the 1930's?
or the ethnic cleansings in Yugo, Africa, and during Pol Pot's reign of terror?
Well, that sh*t didn't affect the U.S govt. directly so why in the phuck should the U.S be there...right?

Where was the moral obligation during the Iran-Contra arms deals?

My point is, the term "moral obligation" is a term the U.S govt. hides behind when they get their jimmies rustled because some nation/person threatens their resources and they feel they need to kick sum azz to secure them.
When not directly threatened the U.S govt. takes it sweet azz time to do anything in the hopes of making profit before they step their foot in it.

I realize hundreds of thousands of Americans have fought and died, our nations have bled together for many years, but the average citizen and soldier are but pawns for the U.S government to flex their political muscle.
I do not dis-respect any service person nor individual citizen, but you're government is one of the most corrupt pieces of sh*t on the face of this planet and constantly and consistently lies to your citizens.

There is no moral obligation in U.S politics.
Politicians and politics are run by big business.
and it's ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.

How the freak did I miss this post?

I need to spend less time lifting, and more time in the O-35 Misc section..

SPOT the FREAK ON, AA! One thing I should also mention is how the US government during WWII was best buddies with Stalin.. And we all know what he did to 20 some plus million (27 million i think??) innocent Soviets..

It's all about the money for politicans, no doubt.

[NorwichGrad]

what difference could it possibly make ?


you either live a rightious life or you don't !

you're either that guy that protects his name with trust and honesty (keepin it real) or you're that guy who gives it no thought...


logistics should never play a part

It may....or may not... make a difference. It's one of those "nature versus nurture" thingies.. All depends.. Just like everything else in life. All depends. Been all over the world and experienced many cultures.. Cultures can affect us more than we'd like to admit.

For example, I spent my teengage years in the hoods of Los Angeles. Lots of gangs there.. Lots of opportunities to belong to an exclusive brotherhood of thugs. My dad told me just once "If you join a gang, I will crack your skull!!" That's how nurtured me to NOT become a criminal.

[PersonaNonGrata]

The problem with "moral obligation" at the international level is simply that the people to whom the perceived obligation is due might not share the same morality.

This is particularly true when the west ****s about with the Middle East.

[mslman71]

The problem with "moral obligation" at the international level is simply that the people to whom the perceived obligation is due might not share the same morality.
This is particularly true when the west ****s about with the Middle East.

I'm sure if they just thought about it a little more they'd see things our way.