All these comments counting Jay out are very reminiscent of the ones made after he lost the title to Dexter in 08, if anyone can do it it's Jay.
And I can't see Shawn winning a single Olympia never mind two..
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11-22-2012, 03:51 PM #31
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11-22-2012, 04:15 PM #32
Indeed, but the situation is different. Dex won, but everybody knew that if jay was on he would beat dex. I don't think the same can be said for phil/kai. Plus the bicep injury and deflated left shoulder (although the shoulder issue was not recent, it became more aparent in 2011).
Guess we will have to wait and see but i surely wouldn't make the mistake of counting jay out.
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11-22-2012, 04:24 PM #33
Agreed. Something is not quite right imho. Either parts of the interview were perhaps paraphrased and/or parts perhaps taken out of context et. Just really does not seem like anything Ronnie would say unless he said it as some kind of a friendly, sarcastic jab et. and it was taken literally. It did make him come off as very unprofessional, hypocritical and just sounding like a bitter, jack ass and I have never seen/heard/read Ronnie sound like that in my life. He is probably the most happy and funny guy out there, he and Antoine imho.
So I take this interview and his comments towards Jay with a definite grain of salt.
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11-22-2012, 04:35 PM #34
Thing is also this,
Heath has never beat a 100% on Jay.
Heath was not as good in '12 as he was in '11.
An '09 Jay beats a '12 Heath and '12 Kai imho.
An '09 Jay also beats an '11 Heath but it would be one heck of a battle. Again just my opinion.
Like Jay said in the interview, he came back in '09 looking so good because people counted him out and said he was over. He said he has the exact same feeling as of this moment that he did after the '08 Olympia when everyone said he was done. He is one of those athletes that feeds off of the masses telling him he can't, he is too old, not good enough anymore et. He loves the challenge clearly. At the end of the day, it should be a great show regardless of outcome.
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11-22-2012, 04:50 PM #35
The thing is that at the same time he says the last week of prep is where he makes it or breaks it. So basicly it has little to do with motivation and more to do with getting the right choices at those last days.
I think both phil and kai would give him one hell of a fight. Lets hope he comes at his best, sure would make the contest even more interesting.
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11-22-2012, 05:32 PM #36
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11-22-2012, 05:52 PM #38
The problem is it's pretty much impossible to predict what Jay is going to look like, hopefully he's had enough time off for the bicep and delt to heal but whether or not he can bring them back up to their former size is another matter, the same goes for his quads
If he somehow manages to come in in 01/06/09 shape I can't see Phil or Kai beating him though (unlikely of course but one can dream..)
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11-22-2012, 05:58 PM #39
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11-22-2012, 08:08 PM #40
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Very strong point. 38 is a baby in the iron game. What should be said is when you're winning IFBB status at 22, only THEN will 38 be old as dirt.
So in Jay's case. Yes old haha.
Anyone else find it odd that RC is talking "receptors" then immediately after mentions "test declining with age." Me thinks natural test production is NOTT important in the IFBB game.
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11-22-2012, 08:24 PM #41
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11-22-2012, 08:46 PM #42
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11-23-2012, 12:17 AM #43
Yup, I felt that way too when I read the interview, I used Ronnie's voice and spoke the words that were written in the article, through my head and I just could not imagine Ronnie speaking like that. Anyway, it might be because one of Ronnie's supps is a test booster, which is why he is talking about declining test levels so as to boost his sales for his product, Testogen-XR.
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11-23-2012, 01:05 AM #44
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11-23-2012, 01:35 PM #46
Ronnie is talking out of his as* again to remain relevant. Honestly, Jay Cutler, still looks impressive, whereas Ronnie Coleman looks bad, out of shape, and in need of a reality check to make him realize he has aged like a sun-dried turd on a hot summer day. Jay Cutler will be back. Plus, just take a look at Dexter Jackson's recent placing. I think Jay Cutler and Dexter Jackson don't train the way Ronnie did, and this has allowed them to remain competitive. Ronnie may be b*tthurt, lol. Quick! Someone call the wambulance.
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11-23-2012, 01:39 PM #47
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11-23-2012, 07:11 PM #51
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Very true, I was thinking the same thing! It's not the age, it's how long you've been on the stuff and your receptor like Ronnie said. Jay isn't that old but he's been a pro since he was 23 years old so that's close to 20 years at the top and using stuff. It's not the years, it's the mileage.
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11-23-2012, 07:13 PM #52
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11-23-2012, 08:36 PM #55
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11-23-2012, 09:15 PM #56
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11-24-2012, 02:43 AM #57
I love big Ron but most the stuff said is BS. Jay isn't that old. Kai and Shawn are right behind him so saying he's screwed because of age makes no sense.
I don't think Jay needs to turn back the hands of time. Ron would need to because he has all those injuries that caused certain muscles to atrophy and look weird, but Jay doesn't. All Jay has to do is match 2009 or be close and he's got it. Jay isn't up against 2003 Ronnie, Jay is already the biggest guy on stage. Even if Jay is maxed out, maxed out is plenty enough to win. But while we're talking about maxed out, I don't think Jay is. Jay trains lighter and has been careful his career, that said he has something left in the tank.
Testosterone. Wow. Did Ron really say that? What does testosterone have to do anything when your artificially at a level where your not producing any anyway?
Promoting his supplement line? Jay doesn't have a supplement line, he sells apparel. Ron however has a supplement line.
Shawn. Shawn finally had a good year but that doesn't mean he's MR O material. He's too small. He could only win if everyone else was off horribly and he somehow made huge improvements, which won't happen. Ron is pimping him because he sponsored him, not because he's better than Jay, Phil and Kai which are the top 3 IMO. Ron is probably just envious Cutler is actually DOING what Ron always SAID he was going to do, which is make a COMEBACK.
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11-24-2012, 01:23 PM #58
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11-24-2012, 02:08 PM #60
If Kai were to win he'd have won already. He's getting smaller.
The reason I said Rhoden won't make it is because this years Olympia lacking Jay allowed everyone to focus more on conditioning so Rhoden was able to place third. Kai came in ripped but smaller. With Jay back, everyone will be chasing the mass game like back when Ronnie dominated and Jay chased him. Size was needed to compete and I don't think Rhoden has the capacity or frame to ever compete against a tank like Jay. Kai can but he might lose his conditioning edge he had this year. Phil will actually look small next to Jay, he always does. Having Cutler there changes everyone's approach to the Olympia. Rhoden will have to get bigger which isn't easy at his age.
I think Jay will win. He's the under dog again and that drives him like no other. Unless his bicep looks like crap and he can't pull it together, but if he comes in shape it's his. Plus with Ronnie's old trainer working with him, he might pull a Ronnie 03 and gain 30 pounds on stage. Even 10 more than his last peak weight would dwarf everyone so bad it wouldn't even be a contest.6'2"
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