My mind is blown at how many of you idiots support gun control

[Internexus]

OMG life isnt a movie where criminals do this. if someone was to break in to your house they do not want to kill you. all they want is a lil change to probably support there crack habit. however if you do live a neighbor hood where this may happen then I think its time to invest in a better area of housing then a gun.

In retro respect I feel you too man i mean i live in New Zealand and we do have gun laws and to think someone would do this kind of crime would be beyond any civilian over here would think off. I guess criminals in Kansas are more ruthless but none less freedom of gun laws have allowed this to happen. it allows 16 year old thugs to own a gun and go crazy.

HOLY HELL my mind = BLOWN.

What's your thoughts on this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wichita_Massacre

They apparently didn't feel the need to use weapons against 2 men, and those men obviously just wanted to borrow their stereo..

Our gun laws do NOT allow a 16 year old to own a handgun, you must be 21 years old to purchase such legally. It's pretty unlikely you are going to see a 16 year old running around with a giant shotgun attacking anyone.

[mk.ultra]

Hunting I have no issue with, the point I'm making is now everyone is saying their area is safe and they have never seen someone get shot or had a gun held to them.... so what's the point of owning a gun for protection?

...You own a gun legally to protect yourself from the crazies that are going to use guns regardless of the laws. The need for one will be extremely rare, but like the mass shooting in Norway, if someone had a gun they could've stopped him and potentially saved many lives.

[dustinh6719]

But guns kill people...

[anonymous]

Are you telling me that these sorts of things don't take place in your country? I don't even know where you are in the world, however to not have some sort of ability to protect yourself from such a thing is just asking to be a victim. Some people are more prepared for events in life than others, if nothing ever happens then that's fantastic, I don't think/dwell on it at all. The fact of the matter is IF anywhere were to ever take place then said criminal is going to have a body full of lead and not a single fuk will be given.

Neither have 99% of American people. Does that not mean we should not have the best means possible to defend ourselves if this highly unlikely situation does arise?

I just don't understand this "everyone is out to get me" attitude a lot of people have on here, and the way you talk about "the best means possible to defend ourselves" means shooting and killing another human

[Jeremy-Vincent]

ITT gun control advocates would rather have a phone than a gun when someone is breaking into their house. LUL!!!!!!!!!

[Internexus]

Well do ban them, but it didn't appear to have made a difference in this case:

wtf bro, you are trying to tell me that a bomb that was ILLEGAL was somehow still used against the population? You must be a dumb american or something because this would never take place in the precious united kingdom...

[WiggyWanka]

I just don't understand this "everyone is out to get me" attitude a lot of people have on here, and the way you talk about "the best means possible to defend ourselves" means shooting and killing another human

Yes. If my life was threatened I would shot and kill the other person. Would you not? Would you really sacrifice your own life to avoid taking another when that other is the one threatening yours?

No one is paranoid here. I own a ton of guns because they are a blast to shoot (pun intended) and I also hunt. They also triple as an object of self defense. Why wouldn't I own one?

[KRANE]

wtf bro, you are trying to tell me that a bomb that was ILLEGAL was somehow still used against the population? You must be a dumb american or something because this would never take place in the precious united kingdom...

I'm trying to show you that bans don't stop the criminals. A ban on bombs didn't stop Timothy McVeigh did it? They only hurt law abiding citizens.

[Internexus]

I just don't understand this "everyone is out to get me" attitude a lot of people have on here, and the way you talk about "the best means possible to defend ourselves" means shooting and killing another human

I don't know how to continue a conversation with you, it's like you are in denial that bad things happen to good people or something. That a bad person would never ever try to attack, stab, shoot, murder another human being. Yes, if someone came at me with a knife I would shoot to kill and feel entirely justified and okay with doing such, that person CHOSE to try and attack another person putting them at great risk for bodily harm or death and therefore whatever reaction they get up to and including death is justified.

[LashGordon]

Maybe they should start setting up Nazi check points surrounding that cesspool you call a city. Would you be happy then?



edit: "I'M FROM N.IRELAND" that explains everything...

I'd rather see the reintroduction of cash for guns drives etc in lower-income areas. If as has been mentioned, poverty and a lack of education drives violent crimes, then surely the opportunity to turn your back on violent crime for the cash you once engaged in violent crime to obtain, would be an appealing one.

I'd be more than happy to see check points set up around Chicago. Any effort to reduce violent crime in the city, and particularly the southside where I live, would be a welcome move in my eyes.

Cheap-shot about where I'm from not necessary.

yeah because the government would've slaughtered everyone who owned a gun.

Strong history knowledge.

The second in command of the IRA is now the second in command in our government. Clearly he owned a gun, yet was not slaughtered.

[Internexus]

I'm trying to show you that bans don't stop the criminals. A ban on bombs didn't stop Timothy McVeigh did it? They only hurt law abiding citizens.

I was being sarcastic bro

I smelled what you were stepping in the second you posted the OKC bombing pic.

[2k10SS]

But guns kill people...

[Internexus]

LMAO, never seen that vid

btw I see in your avi that you must be a theater terrorist because you have high end advanced alien technologies.... Watchout your comments bro

[iCantRead]

A ban on bombs didn't stop Timothy McVeigh did it?

Interesting side note, McVeigh was actually arrested and held in prison via gun control laws three days before he became a suspect in the bombing.

[LashGordon]

Some gun advocate respond to my question about tazers over guns for personal protection. Interested in the opinion of gun advocates on the topic.

[futbolista89]

And that one main reason why America is not comparable to the rest of the first world. No other first-world country has Mexico bordering it, where guns are so easily obtained by criminals.

Isn't it the other way around? Drug Cartels get weapons smuggled from the US to Mexico through various means including straw purchases, as far as I know. Correct me if I am wrong.

Not to mention the ones that were purposely allowed to be smuggled out.

[livetobuild]

I just don't understand this "everyone is out to get me" attitude a lot of people have on here, and the way you talk about "the best means possible to defend ourselves" means shooting and killing another human

It is because American bros know that they so are many guns out there in the wrong hands, and the wrong hands could easily buy from a store or get their GF to buy for them. they feel like is someone is about to shoot them

that sucks because I dont know that feel. oh no wait thats a good thing. you brahs jelly of relaxed life? come to NZ but leave your guns lol you dont need them.

[anonymous]

I don't know how to continue a conversation with you, it's like you are in denial that bad things happen to good people or something. That a bad person would never ever try to attack, stab, shoot, murder another human being. Yes, if someone came at me with a knife I would shoot to kill and feel entirely justified and okay with doing such, that person CHOSE to try and attack another person putting them at great risk for bodily harm or death and therefore whatever reaction they get up to and including death is justified.

I'm not in denial, I just choose to try and focus on the positive things in the world instead of dwelling on bad things that might happen to me

[BoneSauce]

what is wrong with a national gun registry that will track the movement and flow of weapons?
what is wrong with requiring potential gun owners to prove they are capable at handling a firearm like we do with DRIVER'S LICENSES?

enjoy your patriot act, police state, ndaa, drone strikes of us citizens, indefinite detention for being labeled a "terrorist," corporatocracy, corrupt politicians. strong ass freedoms

Dickhole

[IraqiCarThief]

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[WiggyWanka]

Some gun advocate respond to my question about tazers over guns for personal protection. Interested in the opinion of gun advocates on the topic.

I like the concept but not the means. What if you shoot the tazer and miss? You're dead because it takes 10 minutes to load another cartridge. Let's say you shoot the tazer and one of the barbs doesn't penetrate the person's skin? What if there is more than one person? What if after you stop shocking them they pull the barbs out and shot and kill you? What if they are out of the range of the tazer shot? I would not trust my life with one.

[Internexus]

I'm not in denial, I just choose to try and focus on the positive things in the world instead of dwelling on bad things that might happen to me

I have a positive outlook for life in general myself, I just realize that the world is not filled with goody goody gum drops.

[dustinh6719]

I have a positive outlook for life in general myself, I just realize that the world is not filled with goody goody gum drops.

And you're the ones were trying to keep guns away from

[Sakeoe]

To all those saying "Hey I'm from country X, we have stricter gun control laws, we have less crime!" I present to you Switzerland: Every single male when undergoing mandatory military service is given a M-57 they must keep in their house. The government also sells excess weaponry to citizens. They have extremely lax gun control laws.

Result? Switzlerland has the lowest gun crime rate in the WORLD.

http://news.***.co.uk/2/hi/1566715.stm

There is more to the gun problem then "Place restrictions on guns! Less people will die!"

For example when the United States invaded Iraq, it destabilized a lot of neighboring countries including Turkey, Syria, etc.. because guns started to be smuggled into those countries which raised gun crime rates.

You might notice the United States has a country called Mexico South of its border that is heavily destabilized. Criminals would still get guns from illegal trade with Mexico similar to how we get a sh!t ton of other drugs. **** half of you Americans against gun control probably smoke pot imported from Drug Wars down in Mexico. Shows how great prohibiting illegal substances worked out eh?

Or how about steroids which are illegal? As a result of being illegal and sensationalist reporting, more people misuse steroids and end up with a **** ton of problems. Whereas if it were legalized and we could educate citizens about it, and it could be used responsibly.

Time and time again prohibiting and banning various materials always has led to abuse, organized crime formation, an INCREASE in crime rates and so on.

If we did a good job educating all citizens like Switzerland does with guns, then we wouldn't have a problem. Gun control isn't the answer.

So in a country where only (ex) soldiers and those working in security are able to obtain weapons and which still has a military draft (so almost everyone is a (ex) soldier) lax gun control works? You don't say.

Most of us don't oppose the right to bear arms of those who are military trained, but of rednecks like the OP or your stereotype American.

[Internexus]

And you're the ones were trying to keep guns away from

Pepper your angus then kiddo

[dazb86]

Retard foreigner here.

I understand how it'd be literally impossible to get rid of guns over there. There are far too many guns around and people wouldn't go down easily (especially dumb ones). It does suck that so many people get murdered in your country each year though. The mentality of some of your gun owners (gang bangers etc) is absolutely retarded. Not sure how they would fix that. You've already got the most prisoners per capita in the world. It's not like you could increase the penalties in court for this ****.

Mind blown at the mentality that people should kill someone for breaking into their house. Over here people crack the ****s over a guy being shot for attacking police with knives (could have been handled better etc). But I guess we have a higher respect for the citizens lives than the US.

As for your need for the guns to take on your military. LOL. Good luck taking on dat der cell tech army of peace.

Gun control did work in my country though. Low population/low gun ownership other than farmers etc made it pretty easy. It's pretty hard to get your hands on a gun these days.

[chrisITALIA]

Tell me more about the constant massacres in the US due to the ease of acquiring legal firearms.

[IraqiCarThief]

the only reason switzerland has a lower crime rate is because they're very technologically advanced and their population is very homogenous. In the sense that everyone is white and they all come form the same cultural and ethnic backgrounds. Problems and conflicts don't arise as a result.

[WiggyWanka]

It is because American bros know that they so are many guns out there in the wrong hands, and the wrong hands could easily buy from a store or get their GF to buy for them. they feel like is someone is about to shoot them

that sucks because I dont know that feel. oh no wait thats a good thing. you brahs jelly of relaxed life? come to NZ but leave your guns lol you dont need them.

I always thought NZ posters were laid back and open minded. You are just ignorant. Keep up the good work.

strong southern rednecks in this thread

Midwestern city dweller checking in.

[UberAlles]

inevitably all these shootings raise a furor over gun control, which puts a cloud over the real question

why are people who appear normal on the surface capable of such acts?