Are squats & deadlifts really good for bodybuilding?

[ThickAsABrick]

LOL, I'm not 15 so I don't do peer pressure. If I don't want to do squats I don't do squats

I am really trying to understand the reasons behind squatting for mass, since the evidence just doesn't add up.

your "evidence" is nothing of the sort.

the majority of people with big legs have built them through squatting. Other exercises contribute to that, but that does not minimize the importance of squatting.

this is honestly one of the dumber debates I've seen.

my personal opinion is that squats are the single most difficult exercise to replace. nothing else has done as much for my legs. if something else did, i'd gladly stop because squatting blows.

[muscleman353]

LOL, I'm not 15 so I don't do peer pressure. If I don't want to do squats I don't do squats

I am really trying to understand the reasons behind squatting for mass, since the evidence just doesn't add up.

drop to peer pressure?!!haha
thats funny.ok u dont have to do squats .are u ok now?
but dont tell me theres no eveidence when the 80 % of muscle mass is contracting during the movement.heck the squat has even aerobic benefits of working all this mass.but u can do whatever u want to.if u can find a way around this u are good to go but its so diff to find one.i myself stopped to deadlift and now i feel so guilty lol.never do that again.

[Irish91]

OP i think you should try a no handed overhead squat

[atlrus]

Ronnie Coleman is not a great example of how the average lifter should train.

True, but not my point. Doesn't it make you wonder why he wouldn't do 10x600lbs squats, instead of 2x800lbs? I think he is squatting just to improve strength, but for mass gain he is going to the leg press instead.

[muscleman353]

OP i think you should try a no handed overhead squat

i love this site.i always read hilarious **** here

[Engineer_Guy]

True, but not my point. Doesn't it make you wonder why he wouldn't do 10x600lbs squats, instead of 2x800lbs? I think he is squatting just to improve strength, but for mass gain he is going to the leg press instead.

Well for one, he does roids so he's going to try and maximize the volume he does on his legs...

[ThickAsABrick]

True, but not my point. Doesn't it make you wonder why he wouldn't do 10x600lbs squats, instead of 2x800lbs? I think he is squatting just to improve strength, but for mass gain he is going to the leg press instead.

Your powers of deduction are exceptional.

Enjoy the rest of your thread.

[atlrus]

Your powers of deduction are exceptional.

Enjoy the rest of your thread.

Nah, my powers of deduction clearly prove my point. You just simply have no real counter-argument.

Which oddly enough proves my point that people do squats out of influence or habit. It's clear how you became offended just because I questioned an exercise you were found of, without really giving any real evidence one way or the other.

[VoxExMachina]

Nah, my powers of deduction clearly prove my point. You just simply have no real counter-argument.

You've already been given the reasons / explanation.

You just ignore it and circle back to your original premise.

You're either trolling, or dense.

[atlrus]

You've already been given the reasons / explanation.

You just ignore it and circle back to your original premise.

You're either trolling, or dense.

No, there was no evidence presented. I gave the only real life example of squats =/= leg gains. The Bulgarian weightlifter training program is very well documented and so are the results.

I didn't see a link to a study or a real life example of people gaining massive sizes by doing squats only, yet everyone here so far jumps to claim that it has been the biggest reason for their leg gains...It just doesn't make sense.

[STEELxBALLS]

I went to lunch and came back, and you losers are still debating this haha...LOSERS

[Engineer_Guy]

No, there was no evidence presented. I gave the only real life example of squats =/= leg gains. The Bulgarian weightlifter training program is very well documented and so are the results.

I didn't see a link to a study or a real life example of people gaining massive sizes by doing squats only, yet everyone here so far jumps to claim that it has been the biggest reason for their leg gains...It just doesn't make sense.

You posted random pictures of select lifters that you found on Google.

Weight lifters do not train for the same purposes as bodybuilders.

We don't need to show you any f*cking studies. Bodybuilders have been using squats since the invention of the barbell. The results speak for themselves. You are just refusing to open your eyes.

[ThickAsABrick]

I went to lunch and came back, and you losers are still debating this haha...LOSERS

I rubbed my balls on your lunch.

[STEELxBALLS]

Atlrus - A note to you, your "flexed" arm is flabby, pale not impressive. It could just be because it is a far away shot, I don't know, but I'd recommend not posting pictures of your "muscles" if there isn't much to look at. Hence, I have no pic.

[STEELxBALLS]

I rubbed my balls on your lunch.

Oh, well you must be missing two balls, because I could have sworn they put peas on my chicken sandwich. I couldn't understand why they would do such a thing. Now it all makes sense.

[Engineer_Guy]

Oh, well you must be missing two balls, because I could have sworn they put peas on my chicken sandwich. I couldn't understand why they would do such a thing. Now it all makes sense.

0/10 that was pathetic.

[atlrus]

You posted random pictures of select lifters that you found on Google.

Weight lifters do not train for the same purposes as bodybuilders.

We don't need to show you any f*cking studies. Bodybuilders have been using squats since the invention of the barbell. The results speak for themselves. You are just refusing to open your eyes.

My point exactly.
"Don't care about studies, people been doin it"

You won't find studies to show me because there are none that prove your point. If you ask anyone who is willing to approach the subject with a cool head why they do squats, they would answer "for strength".

[STEELxBALLS]

0/10 that was pathetic.

Lol you're just upset, because you wont be able to play with them anymore. Sucker [no pun intended].

[muscleman353]

Atlrus - A note to you, your "flexed" arm is flabby, pale not impressive. It could just be because it is a far away shot, I don't know, but I'd recommend not posting pictures of your "muscles" if there isn't much to look at. Hence, I have no pic.

in b4 being negged by op
but u have 0 reps so nothing to worry about bro

[ThickAsABrick]

My point exactly.
"Don't care about studies, people been doin it"

Lol you're just upset, because you wont be able to play with them anymore. Sucker [no pun intended].

new poll:

which of the above posters is dumber?

cast your vote now

[STEELxBALLS]

in b4 being negged by op
but u have 0 reps so nothing to worry about bro

LOL, when you're negged as much as me, you just go down swingin. I'll troll till my grave now! HAHA

[STEELxBALLS]

new poll:

which is the above posters is dumber?

cast your vote now

My vote: Atlrus

[Engineer_Guy]

My vote: Atlrus

Well I'm glad we got that out of the way.

[STEELxBALLS]

Anyone else get ticked when trying to pronounce Atlrus?

[ThickAsABrick]

Anyone else get ticked when trying to pronounce Atlrus?

That made me chuckle.

As such, I will vote for him instead of you.

Cheers

[STEELxBALLS]

That made me chuckle.

As such, I will vote for him instead of you.

Cheers

I appreciate the kind gesture.

[STEELxBALLS]

Vote Status
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Atlrus: 2
SteelxBalls: 0

[muscleman353]

A study by the University of North Dakota compared muscle recruitment during a leg press and a free weight barbell squat lift (5). The study used two groups of subjects. Group 1 was made up of ten untrained, healthy men, and Group 2 was made up of sixteen trained, healthy male athletes (5). The analysis method used was electromyographic (EMG) activity (5). EMG activity was recorded from the erector spinae (ES), gluteus maximus (GM), vastus lateralis (VL), and biceps femoris (BF) muscles (5). The exercises performed were the leg press and the barbell squat lift (5).

Every subject in Group 1 lifted three repetitions of both exercises using a weight equivalent to their own body weight, which ranged from 155 to 165 lbs. In Group 2, each subject performed three repetitions of both exercises using a weight equivalent to 80% of their 1 RM in both lifts, which ranged from 225 to 600lbs. (5). The results indicated that in Group 2, the trained group, the squat exercise elicited significantly more EMG activity than did the leg press in the ES, GM and BF (5). A significant difference in the VL activity was not observed between the two exercises, but the activity in the VL was still slightly greater (5). In the untrained group, Group 1, the results were almost a reflection of the trained group (5). The leg press utterly failed to recruit the ES, GM or BF to the degree the barbell squat did (5). The quadriceps were slightly more stimulated in the squat than in the leg press.



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[atlrus]

LOL, you guys are funny

Engineer_Guy: earth is flat.
me: no, it's not, look at the evidence
Engineer_Guy: don't need science, people knew it for centuries.
STEELxBALLS: you flabby
ThickAsABrick: I don't want to play with you anymore

hahaha, just like elementary school here

[Hallowed666]

No one advocates only doing squats and deadlifts if your goals are purely physique (ie bodybuilding) related.