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[Spartan1414]

Hello gentlemen, I was just curious if there are any bodybuilding runners in here. I can't be alone. I know in general runners fear free weights and bodybuilders don't run much. I recently started a blog site about my efforts as a Bodybuilder to run in a Marathon and maintain maximum size and strength . Check out my blog over at www.BeefTrain.com and speak up if you to are a bodybuilder that runs. And I'm talking more than sprints. I ran 9 miles Saturday as part of my Marathon training. My goal is to run a Marathon without losing too much weight. I know the Marathon winner is gonna be built like a twig but that's not my goal I want to be as muscular as possible and still able to run. I'll honestly be happy just to make the top 10 for my age category in my race series this year. Anyways I'm just throwing this out there to see if anyone else is interested. My biggest thing is eating enough to maintain my weight, pounding energy gels while running and drinking huge protein shakes afterwards to minimize chances of muscle loss etc. I'm curious if anyone supports me in this or will I just hear the usual big guys can't run end of story? I know that's what most guys who can't run at all say at least. Personally I've been getting stronger and faster lately. I know at some point to increase speed further I'd have to be willing to drop weight but that's not my goal. I want the most speed I can get out of my size. Even if that means only running 8-10 minute miles that's still pretty respectable, though not Marathon winning, record setting.

Thanks

[ScivationLead]

Good luck!

[plsbh]

I do both as well. I actually started off excising at 265 pounds and started running two times a day every day. Then when I got back to school last year (195lbs) I was just running at night about 6 miles a day. I would do 10 miles every now and then when I just wanted to go out. I got in the habit of running all the time so I didn't want to stop either with running and lifting now. Then again I am newer to weight training than running. Starting lifting last January after holiday break and took my runners approach to it and used to go 6 days a week incorporating cardio with the 7th day being just a long cardio session on Sunday. I definitely run a lot more back home though since I have a nice trail/park compared to here at school.

Though with the marathon aspect of it my little brother is pretty crazy. He is in the gym every morning and has been lifting big for a few years now. He is also a marathon runner and completes quite a few. Everyone that looks at him would never think he runs long distances but hes always a top competitor with the local races here. He is the kind of kid that goes and runs a marathon just because he feels like it for fun by himself often.

He and you stat wise is almost the exact same I believe so its definitely doable from first hand experience and stick with it if that's what you want to do.

[Spartan1414]

Yeah I mention it on my site but I used to have a rule to never do more than 30 minutes cardio because I was afraid to lose muscle now I don't worry about I just eat a lot of snacks while i run. I have lost a little weight but I am lighter on my feet and feel better for it. Its like feeling like someone who is more likely to crash through a door frame because I didn't have the agility to turn.

[USAT]

Hey,

Can ectomorph body types change their body type to look like a mesomorph? How does an ectomorph perform cardio, weight lift & gain mass? Recently reduced cardio to only a couple of days per week. Should an ectomorph only target a muscle group once or twice per week? Would like to hit the gym every day but seems like ectomorphs need a much longer recovery time? Experienced insight appreciated.

Thanks

[dgcoats]

From a performance standpoint your strength and endurance are going to stagnate well before they would if you were training just strength or just endurance but so what? If you're doing this for enjoyment and you're having fun keep doing it. I wouldn't do it just because running distance is satan but that's just me.

[PrinceDaddy]

I run and life weights, I don't do much distance now because of my knees and I do feel like you thin out. I ran the Dallas, Boston, and Austin Marathons about 10-15 years ago. Was very lean and cut back then. I like going out and running a few local
5K. Good Luck!

[jarekd1234]

Hey,

Can ectomorph body types change their body type to look like a mesomorph? How does an ectomorph perform cardio, weight lift & gain mass? Recently reduced cardio to only a couple of days per week. Should an ectomorph only target a muscle group once or twice per week? Would like to hit the gym every day but seems like ectomorphs need a much longer recovery time? Experienced insight appreciated.

Thanks

****totypes don't exist. Ectos undereat, endos overeat.



OP I remembered one cool video, Kevin Levrone racing some olympic sprinter.. Pretty cool.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FhfQyI7-cM


I forgot how to embed lolol

[Spartan1414]

I tried embedding the video and failed. Why can't this forum just accept regular code like my blog www.BeefTrain.com ? Of course there's no way that guy is running a Marathon without losing a ton of weight.

[Spartan1414]

http://www.beeftrain.com/2011/10/21/...ariot-of-feet/

[slightlygifted]

trying lol. broke 19 minutes in a 5k last week and still maintaining strength and making gains even, definitely becoming more defined by the week. just be sure to take a deload week every 8-10 weeks because this type of training puts a lot of stress on the body.

[rledman]

I do both as well. I love running in races but anytime i actually train i lose weight like crazy. My last half marathon i lost about 20lbs and was down around 138. Back to 158 now, but i hate losing and gaining like that. I still run but more 5k and for the heck of it, but I miss this big races.
Looks to have potential for a good blog. Good luck to you. Eat, eat, eat.

[NewlyImproved]

I'm trying to join this small group. I'm doing less bodybuilding more strength training. I'd like to bench 250+@ under 160 by next summer. I'm bulking to 175 through this year, then plan to cut hard to around 155-160 to run some 15:xx 5ks next summer. I've ran 15:15 on a track and under 32 minutes for 10K.

[JellySausage]

Hey running brahs.

I run 25-30 miles a week, less when I'm on a bulk.

I do a 4 day split for weights and manage to balance not getting "sticky" pretty well. I'm also a barefooter, have been running in Vibrams and now my new favourites: Zemgear 360's exclusively for 3 years.

Pic of Zemgear 360's

[Dane2013]

sup brahs, 4:59 mile barefoot runner checking in.

[Spartan1414]

From a performance standpoint your strength and endurance are going to stagnate well before they would if you were training just strength or just endurance but so what? If you're doing this for enjoyment and you're having fun keep doing it. I wouldn't do it just because running distance is satan but that's just me.

I used to think this. For the longest time I had 30 minute drop dead time for performing Cardio, but I'm about as strong as I've ever been in my life right now. And I just ran 9 miles last Saturday, kind of far for someone built like me. My goal is to run the Marathon carrying as much mass as possible not to drop weight and run faster.

As for most of the other guys in here I've got 40 pounds on them. Seems like a lot of runners who lift casually. I was interested to see if there were any other Clydesdale(200+ in most races) class runners in here. Most of the Clydesdales at races I see are just tall or larger people. Rarely do you see bodybuilders run much of anything, but when you do it's impressive.

[DCSpartan]

Thanks for starting this thread. Too many kids here on ths board think they will lose mass if they spend 10 minutes helping their mom unload groceries. Guys like Mark Twight have a lot of research about the correlation between strength and long endurance training . . . basically put the only thing you have to watch if you have your nutrition dialed in as the number of 90 minute + endurance sessions over a two week period. Once every two weeks should have minimal impact on strength and mass and still help you compete in long distance evants.

Most o fthis is based on glycogen loading, fat utilization, and when you start burning muscle for energy.

[Spartan1414]

I've got skinny runner friends that do IronMan Triathlons and Ultra Marathons. Its fun discussing what we eat before a race. My buddy ran a Marathon yesterday having only had 2 slices of toast before he ran. I have a 16 oz milk 2 scoop ON 100% Gold shake followed by a quart of water and 2 packs of Kashi protein Oatmeal. Then I eat 2 servings of Clif Shot Blocks. I'm slowly upping the number of Gels I eat while I run as well. I recently read in an article on active.com that you need 1/3 body weight in grams of Carbs per hour.

I usually only Run 3 days a week with 1 longer run.

Throw up a link to this Mark Twight guy the only I'm finding so far is a mountain climber.

[DCSpartan]

Throw up a link to this Mark Twight guy the only I'm finding so far is a mountain climber.

same guy. More famously known as the trainer for the movie "300" and the guy behind www.gymjones.com Used to be affiliated with CrossFit but they kicked him out when he started to question the training methodology based on his work with MMA fighters and SOF operators.

he himself isnt a huge guy, but has done a lot of work with elite military units on how to maximize strength and endurance. On the gymjones site you will find he is very vocal about how heavy weight lifting made him a better endurance athlete.

[amel123]

for all you 200lb+ guys, my mile time has been stuck at 6:20 for quite some time now any tips?

[DCSpartan]

You doing any interval work?

[MeMoRySticK]

It is recommended to run for at least half an hour three times a week even for a bodybuilder, this way your cardiovascular system can keep up with your training. This is important when it comes to legs. So I myself jog pretty often ... I also play rugby.

[RewindByChance]

I'm the opposite of most of you guys. I'm a skinny guy trying to break into bodybuilding. Right now running is a priority because I run for my university but I'm trying to do what I can with lifting until after I graduate and can really focus on lifting.

[Spartan1414]

Interval work is a go for me. Lately I run about 5-1/8 mile sprints 2-1/4 mile sprints and then 5 1/8 miles sprints. I run it all balls to the wall with a 60 second jog/walk recovery period.

[Spartan1414]

for all you 200lb+ guys, my mile time has been stuck at 6:20 for quite some time now any tips?

Throw up some progress photos. The one you have makes it look like you may have a little more room than me to lean up to gain some time. I've read 3-6 seconds per off your mile time for every pound you shed. I mean this constructively no offense intended.

[NewlyImproved]

I think it's closer to 2 seconds a mile/pound. This is based on what I've seen, studied, and experienced. This isn't constant either. There is a law of diminishing returns; on the low side as well as the high side.

[MightyApe]

I run 20 minutes every weekday, nothing serious like marathons though.

[USAT]

jarekd1234,

Great youtube link of Kevin Levrone racing some olympic sprinter!

Thanks

[amel123]

[QUOTE=Spartan1414;771123803]Throw up some progress photos. The one you have makes it look like you may have a little more room than me to lean up to gain some time. I've read 3-6 seconds per off your mile time for every pound you shed. I mean this constructively no offense intended.


you really think ive plateaued? no way i can progress my time faster than 6.20? ive heard of guys my weight (215)
running a little under sub 6, plus i cant afford to lose much more weight due to my sport being in season =/

[NewlyImproved]

[QUOTE=amel123;771480633]

Throw up some progress photos. The one you have makes it look like you may have a little more room than me to lean up to gain some time. I've read 3-6 seconds per off your mile time for every pound you shed. I mean this constructively no offense intended. =/

3x800 @ goal race pace. 6-8x400 @ goal race pace. 10x200 walking the next 200. Throw something like this in once a week. Twice if you have the energy. One long run a week @ easy pace...20-30% weekly mileage (the higher percentage if your mileage is lower or vice versa.

you really think ive plateaued? no way i can progress my time faster than 6.20? ive heard of guys my weight (215)
running a little under sub 6, plus i cant afford to lose much more weight due to my sport being in season