Hey,
I'm not taking any of them but just out of curiousity i was wondering what the difference was between steroids and pro-hormones as some people i have seen claim that pro-hormones "dont work and steroids do" so i was just curious.
thank you.
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07-06-2010, 12:41 PM #1
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07-06-2010, 12:42 PM #2
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07-06-2010, 12:46 PM #4
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07-06-2010, 12:47 PM #5
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07-06-2010, 12:51 PM #6
Also, since the PH's only usually need an extra bond formed, and are so close in structure to the target hormone, the PH in of itself can have anabolic effects as well. The tren PH's (which actually convert to dienelone NOT tren) have very poor conversion rates, yet still illicit profound effects. Most people believe that it is more active and anabolic BEFORE conversion to dienelone.
Point is...... dont listen to those guys anymore.Blessed be the lord, my rock, Who trains my hands for war, And my fingers for battle. Psalm 144:1
Hockey Season!
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07-06-2010, 12:51 PM #7
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07-07-2010, 08:49 AM #8
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07-07-2010, 08:58 AM #9
Some 'pro hormones' are actually just steroids. Hope that helps...
Whiles ur busy making yourself look big, I'm busy making myself lift big - don't under-estimate these 16.5" machine guns!
Bodyweight - 95kg
Lifts:
180kg Bench (396lbs)
230kg box squat
182.5kg ATG squat
90kg military press
137.5kg push press
135kg power clean
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07-07-2010, 09:05 AM #10
There is more or less three ways "prohormone" is used. #1 is what is actually correct.
#1 - Prohormone - A compound that is converted by various actions (usually enzymatic) to a targeted steroid. Some are active on their own, such as halodrol - these can be called "prosteroids".
#2 - Prohormone - An oral (many times 17a-methylated) anabolic compound. Some people think that 17a-methylation is what a prohormone is. It's really a characteristic of many oral steroids and prohormones both.
#3 - Prohormone - A "legal" anabolic hormone available OTC - Also incorrect usage. Many of the ones sold as supplements, such as Superdrol (and variants), are really designer steroids and do not convert to anything.
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07-07-2010, 09:08 AM #11
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07-07-2010, 09:11 AM #12
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07-07-2010, 09:22 AM #13
Phera - steroid.
Superdrol - steroid
Methyl-test - steroid
Furuzadrol - non 17a version of a steroid
Stanodrol - non 17a version of a steroid
and here is turinabol: 4-chlorotestosterone
H-dol: 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1, 4-diene-3-17b-diol. So H-drol is a better idea of what a PH is although I still think it's more of a DS myself...Whiles ur busy making yourself look big, I'm busy making myself lift big - don't under-estimate these 16.5" machine guns!
Bodyweight - 95kg
Lifts:
180kg Bench (396lbs)
230kg box squat
182.5kg ATG squat
90kg military press
137.5kg push press
135kg power clean
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07-07-2010, 09:36 AM #14
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07-07-2010, 03:45 PM #15
AH right I see, I thought the only difference between stanozolol and pro-stanozolol was this:
17 alpha-methyl-5alpha- androstano [3,2-c]pyrazol-17 beta-ol
5alpha- androstano [3,2-c]pyrazol-17 beta-ol ...which can also translate (correct me if I'm wrong) to [3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17beta-tetrahydropyranol?
It may be my eyes playing tricks on me but it appears to be pretty much the same compound bar the 17a methyl? or perhaps the absence of the 17a methylation creates some kind of conversion? I dunno, but they are pretty much on the borderline of being classified as steroids, closer to that than PH I'd say...Whiles ur busy making yourself look big, I'm busy making myself lift big - don't under-estimate these 16.5" machine guns!
Bodyweight - 95kg
Lifts:
180kg Bench (396lbs)
230kg box squat
182.5kg ATG squat
90kg military press
137.5kg push press
135kg power clean
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07-07-2010, 04:25 PM #16
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07-07-2010, 04:41 PM #17
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07-07-2010, 05:25 PM #18
Yes. But the obvious answer is availability of real AAS. Some people aren't clued up and are too naive to find the shady dealer in their gym. So PH's are an alternative. And depends what you mean by safer. Tren isn't gonna have the same liver effects as superdrol but it does have its other more pronounced sides, like the hair loss and deepening of the voice (I know dudes on Tren atm, trust me when I say their hairlines are receding) and of course, Tren d**k. Oh and the more pronounced increase in aggression. Or the weird dreams some of the deca users report. And it's not just one.
AAS still are safer in the respect of liver toxicity (beg to differ with WInny mind you) but then I'd say some of the other sides are more pronounced, particularly acne and the hoarse voice.
I'd still advise to go with real stuff as soon as ur old enough and have access to real sources though, cannot wait til I get started on real Tren...stacked with winny and testWhiles ur busy making yourself look big, I'm busy making myself lift big - don't under-estimate these 16.5" machine guns!
Bodyweight - 95kg
Lifts:
180kg Bench (396lbs)
230kg box squat
182.5kg ATG squat
90kg military press
137.5kg push press
135kg power clean
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07-07-2010, 05:28 PM #19
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07-07-2010, 05:45 PM #20
Anything 17a-methylated will be at least somewhat hepatotoxic, whether it be PH's, AAS, or what not. If you mean injectables vs. oral, then sure.
The anabolics with the potential for most side effects will tend to be 17aa oral AAS such as Oxymetholone because of the combination of their sheer potency (unlike most PH's) and liver toxicity.
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07-08-2010, 04:46 AM #21
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