Want to get more ripped

[Frozn]

If you cut the way you are right now. Based on what you have said, you wont be where you want. I'm just going to leave it at that.

[darinaldi]

[Frozn]

yes, it makes sense. But since I have already started cutting why is it bad to cut until I lower my bf to where I want, and THEN build more muscle?

Because you would be counter productive.

[Lencho]

Ok heres the pic:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z...1257871844.jpg

String bean? Really?

You do not weigh 155 lbs.

[djartek]

at 155lbs what are you going to rip, a piece of paper!

[FitnessGuy1991]

You do not weigh 155 lbs.

What? You think I weigh more or less?

[-Lucifer]

yes, it makes sense. But since I have already started cutting why is it bad to cut until I lower my bf to where I want, and THEN build more muscle?

Okay, do it your way and see where that takes you.

[Lencho]

What? You think I weigh more or less?

I think you weigh more. Pic of you standing on scale holding a sign that reads "I <3 lenco".

[FitnessGuy1991]

I think you weigh more. Pic of you standing on scale holding a sign that reads "I <3 lenco".

I just weighed myself today. It said 155. I might be 5 10 not 5 11 though. Does this mean I'm not a string bean?

[mjw8204]

This was the first time I've ever said "you're welcome" when the forum said "thank you for deducting reputation from this user."

[jestertku]

I never said I wanted to get smaller. I said I wanted to be more defined. I know im in the middle average kid! Thats what I said! But all of you guys said "skinny string bean." Thats just retarded. Trust me, im far from delusional. I know im not big or anything, but im pretty sure if I dropped a little more bodfat I would not look like caren carpenter. And trust me, the four abs are there the lighting is terrible so you have to look closely. I suppose I could take a better picture so you dont think im just a liar.

I'm saying you have to get more muscle aka bigger first so you keep the same size as a finished product. If you cut now or "more defined" you'll get smaller, less over all mass. Which people on this board including me will make you look skinny and unhealthy. Gain maybe five to ten clean lbs of muscle. It will make you look more defined by increasing body lean mass which will lower body fat %. Then cut away so you're 155 cut. Not 135 cut or 145 cut. I think thats you goal right? same weight same size but cut?

[Lencho]

I just weighed myself today. It said 155. I might be 5 10 not 5 11 though. Does this mean I'm not a string bean?

You don't look like a string bean, nor any other member of the family Leguminosae. But, if you drop the weight necessary to get into the BF% region you so desire while adding no mass, you will then look like a string bean. Not to mention a tool.

[Slow-N-Steady]

There are pros and cons to doing it either way. If you bulk now, you will end up with a higher bodyfat percentage than if you cut first then bulk. This will call for a longer period of cutting, which means possibly more muscle lost during. However, if you cut now, you will not look "lean" or "ripped", you will look skinny as you aren't starting out with a lot of muscle. You could then bulk without your bf% getting too high.

Cutting and bulking cycles are somewhat counterproductive in nature, that is just how it is. Do whatever you'd like, just know that you aren't going to look like Brad Pitt after cutting...and p.s. you do not weigh 155lbs...

[Uncle Ben]

I just weighed myself today. It said 155. I might be 5 10 not 5 11 though. Does this mean I'm not a string bean?

No, it just means you're skinny fat.

[BleedCardio]

If you are looking to shed body fat I would continue to do alot of cardio, preferably HIIT. I wouldn't stop doing compound lifts (bench, squat, etc), but would do higher volume, 12-15 sets and also do some plyometric work. As for your diet if you're not losing fat, slowly start to reduce your calories each week and monitor your results. I'd stick to eating 5-6 meals throughout the day and make sure you're getting enough protein.

edit: it is really hard to know what you look like now without any sort of picture. You could be skinny, skinny fat, or Floyd Mayweather Jr for all we know

edit:edit: just realized there was two more pages on this thread....fail

[fivetoedslothh]

shamWOW dood

[NicktheStick]

http://www.sixpacknow.com/brad_pitt_abs_workout.html

Google delivers....Brad Pitt's routine and diet ^ (He did a clean bulk)

[FitnessGuy1991]

I'm saying you have to get more muscle aka bigger first so you keep the same size as a finished product. If you cut now or "more defined" you'll get smaller, less over all mass. Which people on this board including me will make you look skinny and unhealthy. Gain maybe five to ten clean lbs of muscle. It will make you look more defined by increasing body lean mass which will lower body fat %. Then cut away so you're 155 cut. Not 135 cut or 145 cut. I think thats you goal right? same weight same size but cut?

Exactly. Yes, I want to be around 150 cut, not 135 or 140. But would dropping just 2 more percent in BF really drop mr more than 10 pounds? If thats true, then I am convinced and I will start a bulk, then do a cut.

But before I say anymore I have to apologize to everyone here. I made a false post. I just measured me height. I am not 5'11, I am actually 5 '8. Yes, I know, im retarded. Im honestly sorry I made a mistake. Maybe that is why some dont believe I am telling the truth about my weight.

So, im 5'8 and weight 155. Based on that, and the pic you saw of me, do you not think its possible to continue to cut fat and maintain a 150 weight? If not, then I suppose I will take all of your advice and start a bulk, then cut.

[Lencho]

But before I say anymore I have to apologize to everyone here. I made a false post. I just measured me height. I am not 5'11, I am actually 5 '8. Yes, I know, im retarded. Im honestly sorry I made a mistake. Maybe that is why some dont believe I am telling the truth about my weight.

Srsly, I knew something was off by looking at that pic.

[BluntD]

But before I say anymore I have to apologize to everyone here. I made a false post. I just measured me height. I am not 5'11, I am actually 5 '8. Yes, I know, im retarded. Im honestly sorry I made a mistake. Maybe that is why some dont believe I am telling the truth about my weight.

[VoxExMachina]

5'8" and 155 is quite a bit different than 5'11" and 155. So yes, that makes your goal somewhat more reasonable.

However...

You have been given good directional advice by some knowledgeable people, and I would suggest you re-read this thread from the beginning and think seriously about your goals. Whether you agree with them or not, their advice is solid.

Your goals are your own. So cut if you want to. But think of it this way: if you spend the next 5-10 years attempting to stay "cut" then you will find it very difficult to put on muscle mass. And yet the prime time for growing muscle is in your youth. So the smart thing is to add some mass now, while your hormones support that growth. The added muscle mass will also support a higher caloric burn per day, so when you chose to "get ripped" you'll do it more easily. You'll also look better once you cut that fat away, instead of just looking like a bag of scrawny muscle.

I see many young people who think that anyone with muscles showing is "muscular" or "ripped". I thought that way once, too. But a prisoner of war would look "ripped" by that definition due to lack of nutrition and loss of body fat. Is that really what you want?

You look like you have a good base to build upon. Take advantage and gain mass. Seriously. You will thank yourself for it in a few years.

If, on the other hand, you want to cut your way to looking skinny-ripped, then nobody can stop you. So don't argue with them, just go do it.

[hardgainer786]

Exactly. Yes, I want to be around 150 cut, not 135 or 140. But would dropping just 2 more percent in BF really drop mr more than 10 pounds? If thats true, then I am convinced and I will start a bulk, then do a cut.

But before I say anymore I have to apologize to everyone here. I made a false post. I just measured me height. I am not 5'11, I am actually 5 '8. Yes, I know, im retarded. Im honestly sorry I made a mistake. Maybe that is why some dont believe I am telling the truth about my weight.

So, im 5'8 and weight 155. Based on that, and the pic you saw of me, do you not think its possible to continue to cut fat and maintain a 150 weight? If not, then I suppose I will take all of your advice and start a bulk, then cut.

woh, then Cut! check picz of guys (Picture section) at your height and see their weight.. You might have an idea of how you may look! BTW I am 5'11 and around 170 lb.. Looking to get down to 155 something before I bulk.. It may sound retarded, but my freakn body fat is high (around 18 something %) and no way I wanna bulk from here... No matter what the pro's say@

[bonglebear]

5'8" and 155 is quite a bit different than 5'11" and 155. So yes, that makes your goal somewhat more reasonable.

However...

You have been given good directional advice by some knowledgeable people, and I would suggest you re-read this thread from the beginning and think seriously about your goals. Whether you agree with them or not, their advice is solid.

Your goals are your own. So cut if you want to. But think of it this way: if you spend the next 5-10 years attempting to stay "cut" then you will find it very difficult to put on muscle mass. And yet the prime time for growing muscle is in your youth. So the smart thing is to add some mass now, while your hormones support that growth. The added muscle mass will also support a higher caloric burn per day, so when you chose to "get ripped" you'll do it more easily. You'll also look better once you cut that fat away, instead of just looking like a bag of scrawny muscle.

I see many young people who think that anyone with muscles showing is "muscular" or "ripped". I thought that way once, too. But a prisoner of war would look "ripped" by that definition due to lack of nutrition and loss of body fat. Is that really what you want?

You look like you have a good base to build upon. Take advantage and gain mass. Seriously. You will thank yourself for it in a few years.

If, on the other hand, you want to cut your way to looking skinny-ripped, then nobody can stop you. So don't argue with them, just go do it.

i'd listen to this if i were you, it's a good, balanced response. especially this: "Take advantage and gain mass. Seriously. You will thank yourself for it in a few years."

have a look at my profile, i thought cutting was best for me, so i went crazy for it. i was 230lbs and didn't know my bf%. i started on p90x, did the 90days and carried on doing high intensity training- think i was drunk on the success of shedding fat. i wish i had paused after the initial 90 day effort and stopped losing weight - because i'm working hard to get back to that weight now. anyway, i hit my target of 10% bodyfat and looked skinny, see the picture. i'm now going heavy with the weights and eating alot, but doing so sensibly. i want my bodyfat to stay below 14% during the bulk.
trust me, if you do succeed in losing weight, you wont be happy with the results. do yourself the favour of getting bigger before you cut.



by the way, how the **** can you not know how tall you are?

[FitnessGuy1991]

"by the way, how the **** can you not know how tall you are?"

Pretty simple...Last time I has my height measured was about 6 months ago during a physical. I for some reason just remembered being 5 '11. Honestly cant tell you why, for some reason I just though thats what they said. Once you guys told me me weight didnt seem possible because I should be thinner I realized maybe I remembered by height wrong. Just measured myself today.

BTW, I appreciate all the advice. Let me tell you the reason why I am sort of hesitant to "add size" then cut. I dont want to do that because I have ALWAYS, since I can remember, wanted to be "ripped"(about 2 years ago I was very chubby and was not in shape at all). Finally, a couple of years ago I started working out and I am closer now more than ever to reaching my liftime goal. So to stop cutting calories and start eating more when I am closer than ever just scares me. I feel like I will lose motivation because I will see definition go away after a few weks of bulking and be upset I stopped cutting. See my point? This is why I am really just hoping that I can drop the rest of my stubborn BF and keep my muscle mass by eating right and getting enough protein.

[Slow-N-Steady]

You still look a little bigger than 155 lol

[NFLMASON]

Low fat low carbs strict posture (perfect posture) and strict form with heavy weights complete youre sets and push reps if you can!

[Frozn]

Lifting heavy weights has a very positive effect of burning calories. Your muscles also continue to burn calories up to like 39hrs after your workout due to muscle repair.

Just because you "bulk" doesn't mean you have to get fat. I've been consuming 3500 calories or so a day for my bulk and still have very defined abs and obliques. But this is also due in part to my genetics and extremely fast metabolism. In fact, I almost think I need to consume more food but it is hard. I love food but its so expensive and can only eat so much of one thing lol.

[Mlupi319]

If you are 155 and eating 2200 calories thats fine. That doesnt seem like an extreme cut and you dont want it to be. Alan Aragon (i think) posted a great thread about not having to cut an extreme amount of calories to lose fat by having a maintenance diet and adding cardio, preferably HIIT, it will aid more in fat loss than cutting calories. Also it is good for reducing the amount of fat gain during a bulk. So my suggestion is keep your calories at 2200 and add HIIT, if you find you are losing muscle or want to gain strength then up the calories and the amount of high/moderate cardio.
Also i am in a very similar situation as you. Im 19, 155, 5'8, and have lost 60lbs and would like to drop another 10lbs of fat and gain 20lbs of muscle. But like you i do not want to regress back and gain fat that i have worked so hard to lose for muscle as i am not a hard gainer. My approach is a maintenance (very clean) diet, lift heavy, HIIT. I hope to be down to 6-7%bf (currently at 10-12%)
Also look into UD2.0 workout and diet routine. It involves cycling carbs throughout the week. Then training (based on the carb cycle) to provide good fat lose and muscle gain.

[Uncle Ben]

BTW, I appreciate all the advice. Let me tell you the reason why I am sort of hesitant to "add size" then cut. I dont want to do that because I have ALWAYS, since I can remember, wanted to be "ripped"(about 2 years ago I was very chubby and was not in shape at all). Finally, a couple of years ago I started working out and I am closer now more than ever to reaching my liftime goal. So to stop cutting calories and start eating more when I am closer than ever just scares me. I feel like I will lose motivation because I will see definition go away after a few weks of bulking and be upset I stopped cutting. See my point? This is why I am really just hoping that I can drop the rest of my stubborn BF and keep my muscle mass by eating right and getting enough protein.

If you bulk the right way, you'll only see improvement.

Hate to break it to you, but you're not defined now. You need more muscle to fulfill your goal.

[Tweeds]

Upload a pic and people will tell you if you can reach your goals (Pitt in Fightclub) through cutting.

edit: I see you have and should read the thread before commenting