havoc cyle..

[BBKing000]

I am getting ready to start a Havoc cycle....I currently have a bottle of havoc, liver longer and post cycle support....anything else i should be considering?

[Vibes]

I am getting ready to start a Havoc cycle....I currently have a bottle of havoc, liver longer and post cycle support....anything else i should be considering?

Whats you PCT like? what Testosterone booster you gona use?
Many has recommend Reversitol from I-Force, its a all in one product. Just started my Havoc cycle two days ago and will be running reveritol after cycle.

[CROWLER]

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Lots more to protect than just he liver.

I would go with Cycle Support during the cycle 1 scoop AM 1 scoop PM

PCT with POST Cycle Support 2 caps AM 2 caps PM

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[BBKing000]

Whats you PCT like? what Testosterone booster you gona use?
Many has recommend Reversitol from I-Force, its a all in one product. Just started my Havoc cycle two days ago and will be running reveritol after cycle.

post cycle support is my pct..is that not enough???

[oxs22]

post cycle support is my pct..is that not enough???

no way. get a SERM just in case. look into some of the popular pct products on this board, i-force supposedly has great pct products

[EVO-PT]

I don't think serm will really be needed for a Havoc cycle but you could have it on hand just incase... do something like this:

Cycle Support (Anabolic Innovations) - 2 scoops aday for 1 week - 10 days before cycle then running it through cycle into 2 weeks of PCT.

PCT:

Week 1-4:

Reversitol - 3/2/2/1 (Could use Post cycle support in its place)
13c - 400mg aday
ZMA - 1 serve at night


week 4-7:

6-oxo:
week 4: 5 caps a day
week 5: 4 caps a day
week 6: 3 caps a day
week 7: 2 caps a day

Activate Xtreme - recommed dose

You could also run MACA through the whole cycle/PCT - Keep the mind on sexy time abit more - just in case lol

[oxs22]

I don't think serm will really be needed for a Havoc cycle but you could have it on hand just incase... do something like this:

Cycle Support (Anabolic Innovations) - 2 scoops aday for 1 week - 10 days before cycle then running it through cycle into 2 weeks of PCT.

PCT:

Week 1-4:

Reversitol - 3/2/2/1 (Could use Post cycle support in its place)
13c - 400mg aday
ZMA - 1 serve at night


week 4-7:

6-oxo:
week 4: 5 caps a day
week 5: 4 caps a day
week 6: 3 caps a day
week 7: 2 caps a day

Activate Xtreme - recommed dose

You could also run MACA through the whole cycle/PCT - Keep the mind on sexy time abit more - just in case lol

that is definitely a good pct, but i think its important to have a serm on hand just in case, you don't necessarily have to use it

[Androgen]

I don't think serm will really be needed for a Havoc cycle but you could have it on hand just incase... do something like this:

Cycle Support (Anabolic Innovations) - 2 scoops aday for 1 week - 10 days before cycle then running it through cycle into 2 weeks of PCT.

PCT:

Week 1-4:

Reversitol - 3/2/2/1 (Could use Post cycle support in its place)
13c - 400mg aday
ZMA - 1 serve at night


week 4-7:

6-oxo:
week 4: 5 caps a day
week 5: 4 caps a day
week 6: 3 caps a day
week 7: 2 caps a day

Activate Xtreme - recommed dose

You could also run MACA through the whole cycle/PCT - Keep the mind on sexy time abit more - just in case lol

Strong yoyo-ing of AI's. Thats not a good idea. Definitely replace Reversitol for PCS. Also this is Havoc, a steroid. Ask Dsade (president of RPN) or Trauma1 (main rep of RPN) and read the Havoc write-up. They strongly recommend a SERM after Havoc:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=107904881

I would only recommend the use of an OTC PCT if you know how you react to these compounds. I know havoc doesnt shut me down too badly so I would feel comfortable going OTC (not that I EVER would). However if you havent run havoc before, you have no idea how bad it will shut YOU down, so dont risk it.

[EVO-PT]

How would you suggest running Nolva for PCT then?

[oxs22]

How would you suggest running Nolva for PCT then?

40/20/20/10
then 6-oxo at week 3 (or 4?)
then natty test booster if you want

experienced a shutdown from havoc but just got my bloodwork back today and i recovered fully from a nolva/zma pct

[Androgen]

How would you suggest running Nolva for PCT then?

For Havoc?

I ran Havoc 30/30/30/40 with Furazadrol 200/200/200/250. My PCT was Nolva 20/20/10/10. I also used an AI tapered down form week 4-7 to be extra safe and prevent estrogen rebound. I had bloodwork 2 weeks post PCT and I was fully recovered.

However I suggest for Havoc maybe 20/20/20/20. There is no need to taper the SERM down really as the half life is so long it sort of tapers itself.

[<^>]

Using PCS right now as ONLY my pct after a havoc cycle and i have run now 2 cycles and its all you need. All those are extras IMO. I would just stick with PCS.

When you throw in Nolva you asking for sides and potential liver damage then you would get for a normal Havoc cycle.

This is coming from running 2 cycles. Just a suggestion.

[Androgen]

Using PCS right now as ONLY my pct after a havoc cycle and i have run now 2 cycles and its all you need. All those are extras IMO. I would just stick with PCS.

When you throw in Nolva you asking for sides and potential liver damage then you would get for a normal Havoc cycle.

This is coming from running 2 cycles. Just a suggestion.

Thats pretty risky. You getting bloodwork? Did you get bloodwork on the last one? The studies on Resveratrol are pretty limited. Limited enough for me not to use it as a standalone PCT. IMO thats pretty bad advise to give to a newbie cycler.

As for Nolva's toxicity, thats why I suggest sticking to 20mg. At this low dose its toxicity is not an issue IMO, especially if you want to recover properly.

[KyleH1986]

I am using reversitol for my m-drol pct and im two weeks in and havent lost any strength or weight. The iforce guys posted blood work of someone using methaldrol/bold cycle and the guy's test came back up, but just because he reacted well to it doesnt mean everyone will. Over all very happy wht my cycle and no negative sides. From what i have read reversitol is being used alot for havoc cycles i would do a search.

[workingatit46]

Post Cycle Support was developed for the Epi/Havoc pct by the sinner. It would always be wise to have a SERM on hand. Here is a link you can check out. A Resversitol/Post Cycle Support pct would work very well. Good luck bro.

www.otcpct.com

[mrclemsonu]

Thats pretty risky. You getting bloodwork? Did you get bloodwork on the last one? The studies on Resveratrol are pretty limited. Limited enough for me not to use it as a standalone PCT. IMO thats pretty bad advise to give to a newbie cycler.

As for Nolva's toxicity, thats why I suggest sticking to 20mg. At this low dose its toxicity is not an issue IMO, especially if you want to recover properly.

If you're that worried about liver toxicity look @ it from Havoc as well... IMO the potential liver damages are greater from ANY PH than from Nolva. I'm no doctor but...

[<^>]

Thats pretty risky. You getting bloodwork? Did you get bloodwork on the last one? The studies on Resveratrol are pretty limited. Limited enough for me not to use it as a standalone PCT. IMO thats pretty bad advise to give to a newbie cycler.

As for Nolva's toxicity, thats why I suggest sticking to 20mg. At this low dose its toxicity is not an issue IMO, especially if you want to recover properly.

Got blood work done on my last one. I PCS got me above and beyond normal test range then dippered back into normal range after my first cycle.

Thats the only reason i suggested it. Had a friend do the same and used Nolva as well and along came some sides that i didnt experience and his liver valuesw were off during pct. I know this is inconclusive because everybody's body reacts different and sides vary.

I would agree on low dose Nolva, 20 at highest, but i would honestly try it only for the first 2 weeks then try to get off of it asap.

Just know a few gym goers who used Nolva as a pct and ended up with pct sides with the estrogen effects kicking back in.

[workingatit46]

If Nolva was to be used I would low dose it 20/20/10/10 but many can get by with a Post Cycle Support pct.

[Xeric]

From all the logs Ive read nolva isnt necessary at all. 1 month cycle of havoc doesnt seem to shut you down enough to require nolva which WAS mainly used for more potent steroids.(wouldnt clomid work better for that anyways?) IMO, theres a lot of bad info out there. Everyone is trying to sell a product and theres a lot of scare tactics used. People seem to forget that there are tons of people out there who arent on these boards and dont know what PCT even is. Wheres is this big epidemic of those people really hurting themselves? Ive never heard anything. Sure its not good for you(from the limited information we actually know), but neither is binge drinking but how many students each year do it? I wonder whats worse on your liver, a month of pledging for a frat drinking everyday to excess or a month of Havoc. Just a thought. I still believe that PCT is a good idea, mostly just in case, but I would recommend reversitol as the backbone to a havoc PCT as well as some cycle support preloaded before and while on cycle. just my 2 cents

[BBKing000]

no way. get a SERM just in case. look into some of the popular pct products on this board, i-force supposedly has great pct products

I have tamoxifen and clomid by my side also.

[Alter.E.G.O.]

I'd like this answered before I start a Havoc cycle in December...forgive me if this has been answered somewhere else.

If I am using Nolva and Post Cycle Support, is an AI (6-OXO) necessary? I see lots of PCT routines with OTC products, but what would a PCT routine with Nolva and PCS look like (for Havoc)?

Reps for helping.

[workingatit46]

I'd like this answered before I start a Havoc cycle in December...forgive me if this has been answered somewhere else.

If I am using Nolva and Post Cycle Support, is an AI (6-OXO) necessary? I see lots of PCT routines with OTC products, but what would a PCT routine with Nolva and PCS look like (for Havoc)?

Reps for helping.

If you run Nolva for Havoc I would set up pct this way.

Nolva 20/20/10/10

Post Cycle Support 2 caps a.m. and 2 caps p.m. dor 4 weeks

6 oxo starting week 3 of pct and taper the dose down each week run weeks 3-6.

You not starting to December just to let you know a big sale is near if you buy Post Cycle Support you will get a great deal on Cycle Support and that would cover you support supp needs. Good luck bro.