My Havoc Run W/ Otc Pct

[kingjameskjf]

hey thanks for answering that question for me. it's almost as if you were my secretary taking over all my questions! lol just playin man

LOL! Hey whatever you need bro! Got any errands or phone calls I can make? Gotta fill in some time.

Just like sharing my experiences and learning from others! Glad to see you've had some good gains and have kept most of them throughout pct.

[Twin Towers]

thanks man, I'm gonna look you up again if i need some more questions answered lol

well the innevitable happened yesterday. I severely puled a muscle in my upper trap/ neck area. It's extremely painful to move around and I know it's going to keep me out the gym for a few days. It's extremely discouraging when this happens, especially since I'm afraid of losing more of the gains I worked so hard for. I'm just going to focus on not rushing it and make sure I'm eating right and often in the meantime.

As far as PCT goes, I'm only 4 days removed from being done. I am more than impressed and almost feel bad for not havinng any imformation to pass on other than I haven't had a single issue. This is a testiment to a well thought out PCT by DMan. Use the right products and follow the right guidlines and you'll have no problems.

full review coming at the end of pct with after pics (decided to wait until then to post them for amore complete review)

[Twin Towers]

Well I'm proud to say I'm the newest rep for Anabolic Innovations. Really great group of guys with great products. I've been asked before by a couple others but these guys were a no brainer. Thanks for the opportunity Crowler.

[Blast_]

Well I'm proud to say I'm the newest rep for Anabolic Innovations. Really great group of guys with great products. I've been asked before by a couple others but these guys were a no brainer. Thanks for the opportunity Crowler.

Congratulations man

[Twin Towers]

thanks man....repped

[dmangiarelli]

Well I'm proud to say I'm the newest rep for Anabolic Innovations. Really great group of guys with great products. I've been asked before by a couple others but these guys were a no brainer. Thanks for the opportunity Crowler.

Welcome aboard brotha!

[Twin Towers]

if I could rep you again I would LOL

[dmangiarelli]

if I could rep you again I would LOL

ditto ...

[JoeHeat]

I agree with this. Just got done with a 30/30/40/40 run of Havoc.
And i used Reversitol as my only PCT.. worked great!!

awesome. i plan to run reversitol after my havoc cycle in amonth or so, glad to hear it will be sufficient.

[kingjameskjf]

Well I'm proud to say I'm the newest rep for Anabolic Innovations. Really great group of guys with great products. I've been asked before by a couple others but these guys were a no brainer. Thanks for the opportunity Crowler.

Congrats bro! That's awesome! AI is a great company with solid products. Just let me know when you get "those hard questions" and I'll do what I can lol!

[slatedogg187]

Well I'm proud to say I'm the newest rep for Anabolic Innovations. Really great group of guys with great products. I've been asked before by a couple others but these guys were a no brainer. Thanks for the opportunity Crowler.

Congrats man! This thread has been the most informative thread to date and should help many people do a safe and proper cycle. Props on becoming a rep and we appreciate you updating us daily on your progression.

[Twin Towers]

thanks everyone it's been fun so far. Picked up some new tricks and a few friends along the way so it was worth it.

[Twin Towers]

so here we are at the end of my journey. sigh lol

PCT day 55 weight 207 (-5lbs during pct +12 lbs overall)

2 more days to go and this will be all said and done. I haven't been able to get to the gym the past couple days because of this neck issue I'm having, but today i decided i could at least go and get some cardio in on he new stair stepper we have in the gym. this thing is nuts. I immediately regretted doing it LOL if it hurts it's probably working something and it did. Anyways, pleased to say that my weight held firm at 207 this whole time after I lost the chunk of weight from the sickness I had. I guess I will probably be able to announce 12lbs as the final overall weight gain from a 12 week havoc and otc pct run. Not bad huh? I'll take it

[BGIZZLE]

congrats on your gains! I will be starting a havoc cycle with a similar pct within the next month.. I was just wondering what you thought about putting plasma jet somewhere in pct along with lean extreme, pcs, I3C, and activate extreme

[ponshoe]

Congrats on being a rep man looking forward to final review and After pics

[Twin Towers]

congrats on your gains! I will be starting a havoc cycle with a similar pct within the next month.. I was just wondering what you thought about putting plasma jet somewhere in pct along with lean extreme, pcs, I3C, and activate extreme

thanks bro, plasma jet mixed in with pct seems like it would be a bit of a waste. Save it for another stack or as a standalone so you can get the most out of it. as far as your pct itself is concerned I would replace the activate extreme with 6 oxo. If you allready have the activate extreme run that alongside a natty test booster like Stoked and that would be a decent time to run the plasma jet

[Twin Towers]

congrats on your gains! I will be starting a havoc cycle with a similar pct within the next month.. I was just wondering what you thought about putting plasma jet somewhere in pct along with lean extreme, pcs, I3C, and activate extreme

Congrats on being a rep man looking forward to final review and After pics

thank you kind sir

[BGIZZLE]

thanks bro, plasma jet mixed in with pct seems like it would be a bit of a waste. Save it for another stack or as a standalone so you can get the most out of it. as far as your pct itself is concerned I would replace the activate extreme with 6 oxo. If you allready have the activate extreme run that alongside a natty test booster like Stoked and that would be a decent time to run the plasma jet

ok cool. thanks for the advice chief. got another ? for ya... the last time I had my bp taken which was just a couple of days ago it was a little high but nothing dramatic @ 138/80. do you think this will play a big role (if any at all) with gains during my havoc cycle?

[Twin Towers]

ok cool. thanks for the advice chief. got another ? for ya... the last time I had my bp taken which was just a couple of days ago it was a little high but nothing dramatic @ 138/80. do you think this will play a big role (if any at all) with gains during my havoc cycle?

That's not too bad so it shouldn't prevent you from making any gains but you may experience more lethargy and other sides as a result. If it's a one time thing, I might just wait and see it comes back down prior to starting. I can't ever recommend starting a semi-harsh methylated cycle if you allready have BP issues though.

[ny58]

great log. . thanks. . quick question .. how was ur libido? .. up. . down? . .any change?

[BGIZZLE]

That's not too bad so it shouldn't prevent you from making any gains but you may experience more lethargy and other sides as a result. If it's a one time thing, I might just wait and see it comes back down prior to starting. I can't ever recommend starting a semi-harsh methylated cycle if you allready have BP issues though.

alright. I have a home bp monitor and its supposed to be extremely accurate and i checked it earlier at like 630 and it was high at 137/64 but then I realized that I had just eaten (my cheat meal) like less than a half an hour before so I think thats why it was high but.. i just checked it a little bit ago and it was 122/60 so im guessing that my bp is ok.

regardless, i was going to ask you: since im going to be taking cycle support (like you did) for the first 2 weeks before havoc, would that make my bp "healthier"? in other words does cs make your bp go down (as a whole, not necessarily systolic or diastolic pressures specifically)? bc i know it is good for maintaining some of the important factors while "on" like dht and bp... thanks for all of your help joe!

[Twin Towers]

alright. I have a home bp monitor and its supposed to be extremely accurate and i checked it earlier at like 630 and it was high at 137/64 but then I realized that I had just eaten (my cheat meal) like less than a half an hour before so I think thats why it was high but.. i just checked it a little bit ago and it was 122/60 so im guessing that my bp is ok.

regardless, i was going to ask you: since im going to be taking cycle support (like you did) for the first 2 weeks before havoc, would that make my bp "healthier"? in other words does cs make your bp go down (as a whole, not necessarily systolic or diastolic pressures specifically)? bc i know it is good for maintaining some of the important factors while "on" like dht and bp... thanks for all of your help joe!

that's good to hear about your BP. As I said I would just monitor it every so often to make sure it's staying consistant before starting. You don't want to start something when there's a large chance you may have to cut it short and waste time and money; not to mention jeopardize your health in the process. As far as cycle support is concerned; it can only help your cause. I'm not going to say it will "lower" YOUR BP overall persay because each person is different but like you said it's incredibly helpful for overall health on cycle. It covers far more than just BP. If anything it's going to regulate you as much as possible and prevent BP from spiking on cycle. You'll notice during your pre-load phase that your general feeling of health will certainly increase.

[BGIZZLE]

oh by the way.....here's a basic break down of my daily diet. It remains nearly the same every day due to the lack of options at the chow hall over here lol.

6:30 am- 4 eggs, 3 turkey sausage, oatmeal, milk

9:30 am- 50 grams of ON 100% whey w/ cycle support (milk)

11:30 am- lean meat (usually chicken or turkey), potatoes or pasta, veggie, milk

3:00 pm- tuna chicken or egg salads (approx 10 oz), potatoes or pasta, milk

6:00 pm- purple wraath during workout

7:30 pm- 50 grams of ON 100% whey

8:30 pm- lean meat (turkey slices), veggies, milk

10:00 pm- 50 grams of ON 100% whey w/ cycle support (milk)

as you can see I'm eating pretty big meals and taking in quite a bit of protein over the course of each day. This is more than I normally eat back home. since it's free here I take full advantage. I don't drink any soda or sugary energy drinks, I might only cheat once every two weeks actually. I usually only drink milk too with all meals.

two questions
1) how come you dont eat a small meal or drink protein shake before you lift?
and
2) i generally try to keep my workouts between 45 and 75 min.... do you think that an intra w.o. drink is necessary for that type of range? i have xtend but I usually just drink that prew.o. and torrent postw.o.

[Twin Towers]

two questions
1) how come you dont eat a small meal or drink protein shake before you lift?
and
2) i generally try to keep my workouts between 45 and 75 min.... do you think that an intra w.o. drink is necessary for that type of range? i have xtend but I usually just drink that prew.o. and torrent postw.o.

i've actually started splitting my afternoon meals in half and eating them at 2 and 4-5pm so I can get some protien in closer to my workout. good question. As for the intra workout drink, I've definately felt a large difference in my lifts when I don't use the purple wraath. I also notice my recovery times lengthen. Is it necessary? probably not....is it beneficial....absolutely.

[bigwhiteguy29]

how is sex drive while on havoc?

[Twin Towers]

it comes and goes but it wasn't an issue most of the time for me. I never really fully lost labido

[BGIZZLE]

i've actually started splitting my afternoon meals in half and eating them at 2 and 4-5pm so I can get some protien in closer to my workout. good question. As for the intra workout drink, I've definately felt a large difference in my lifts when I don't use the purple wraath. I also notice my recovery times lengthen. Is it necessary? probably not....is it beneficial....absolutely.

Oh alright cool. So you were drinking the purple wrath every time @ the gym during your whole cycle and pct? Also, what kind of Lean Extreme did you get bc I just looked at my bottle and I guess I ordered the "thermo lean Extreme by shocker nutrition" if its the wrong one do you think they will let me exchange it?

[bigwhiteguy29]

Lean Xtreme by Designer Supplements..........its great and even better for cortisol

[Twin Towers]

Oh alright cool. So you were drinking the purple wrath every time @ the gym during your whole cycle and pct? Also, what kind of Lean Extreme did you get bc I just looked at my bottle and I guess I ordered the "thermo lean Extreme by shocker nutrition" if its the wrong one do you think they will let me exchange it?

yep all throughout the cycle

[Twin Towers]

Lean Xtreme by Designer Supplements..........its great and even better for cortisol

QFT