Krill Oil Better than Fish oil

[tryingtogetjack]

They were handing out samples of krill oil made by schiff today at sams club telling people its better than fish oil? The package says in Bold letters:
"3X better than fish oil"
The package says
Krill oil 300mg
Omega 3 - Fatty acids 90mg
EPA- 45mg
DHA -27mg

I looked at my fish oil bottle and it says omega 3 fatty acids
684mg


How is this better than fish oil someone explain please

[MJfinns]

They were handing out samples of krill oil made by schiff today at sams club telling people its better than fish oil? The package says in Bold letters:
"3X better than fish oil"
The package says
Krill oil 300mg
Omega 3 - Fatty acids 90mg
EPA- 45mg
DHA -27mg

I looked at my fish oil bottle and it says omega 3 fatty acids
684mg


How is this better than fish oil someone explain please

The first thing that seems off to me is how would one quantify how many times better it could be then fish oil. Thats like saying apples are ten times better then bananas. Also there seems to be the same exact items in both this products and fish oil so because I have never heard of the other one I will stick with fish oil.

[tryingtogetjack]

heres the website for this
http://www.schiffmegared.com/megared.asp

see where it says 3x better..

heres a link on there site to why they say its better than fish oil
http://www.schiffmegared.com/faq.asp..._better#better

[d34dlift]

if you scroll down a little more than halfway theres some explanation of how supposedly krill oil is better than fish oil
http://products.mercola.com/krill/

[MapleSyrup]

Welcome to marketing 101.

[in10city]

They were handing out samples of krill oil made by schiff today at sams club telling people its better than fish oil? The package says in Bold letters:
"3X better than fish oil"
The package says
Krill oil 300mg
Omega 3 - Fatty acids 90mg
EPA- 45mg
DHA -27mg

I looked at my fish oil bottle and it says omega 3 fatty acids
684mg


How is this better than fish oil someone explain please

EPA and DHA, from fish and krill oil, are both 20 and 22-carbon long-chain polyunsaturated fatty acids. Krill oil is structurally integrated with phospholipid molecules, and typically consists of 30% EPA/DHA, and about 40% phospholipids mostly in the form of phosphatidylcholine. The EPA/DHA content in fish oil is mostly in triglyceride form. There are separate benefits to both.

So, fish oil is higher in EPA and DHA. Krill oil has the advantage of having astaxanthin (potent antioxidant), Vitamins A and D, and phospholipids.

And supposedly the krill O-3s might be more readily absorbed than those in fish oil and may be better at certain theraputic uses like cholesterol management. These are very highly debateable though.

[tryingtogetjack]

EPA and DHA, from fish and krill oil, are both 20 and 22-carbon long-chain polyunsaturated fatty acids. Krill oil is structurally integrated with phospholipid molecules, and typically consists of 30% EPA/DHA, and about 40% phospholipids mostly in the form of phosphatidylcholine. The EPA/DHA content in fish oil is mostly in triglyceride form. There are separate benefits to both.

So, fish oil is higher in EPA and DHA. Krill oil has the advantage of having astaxanthin (potent antioxidant), Vitamins A and D, and phospholipids.

And supposedly the krill O-3s might be more readily absorbed than those in fish oil and may be better at certain theraputic uses like cholesterol management. These are very highly debateable though.

very interesting.. which would you choose to use

[cal62887]

I avoid Mercury by eating Krill straight from the SEA

[sonicology]

I remember seal oil making a similar claim a while back, didn't seem to catch on however probably because people dislike the idea of eating a "cute" animal...

[cal62887]

I remember seal oil making a similar claim a while back, didn't seem to catch on however probably because people dislike the idea of eating a "cute" animal...

lol.. I think I remember that.




btw, Rabbit tastes good.

[sonicology]

btw, Rabbit tastes good.

Just make sure it's rabbit and not hare, killing a hare is bad luck I'm told

[cal62887]

Just make sure it's rabbit and not hare, killing a hare is bad luck I'm told

So is walking out a different door than you walked in.... but I walk in my front door and out my back door all the time

[obmas]

Yeah, I just saw that mercola video on how krill is better... but I'm going to stick with fishoil.

[in10city]

very interesting.. which would you choose to use

Given that my diet, supplements, and sunlight have me otherwise covered, I don't need nor want the extras in krill.

[italianplaya30]

lol krill oil prob taste nasty!!!!

Fish Oil tablets are easy with no fishy taste!

[CoolCat]

Any more opinions on this?

I'm wondering if I should just supplement with both, or get rid of fish oil all together and use krill oil instead.

[kappaz]

lol krill oil prob taste nasty!!!!

Fish Oil tablets are easy with no fishy taste!

Krill oil comes in softgels like fish oil.

[kappaz]

Any more opinions on this?

I'm wondering if I should just supplement with both, or get rid of fish oil all together and use krill oil instead.

I use both

[Motley_Muscle]

I definitely recommend using both as well. Krill oil is better in moderate amounts (1-3 grams daily, see study) and you will want it to compliment your fish oil. Krill Oil has great benefits in stabilizing lipid profiles (increasing HDL is more important than lowering LDL's, but does both and better than fish oil) and is a good natural source of astaxanthin, phospholipids, and a unique flavanoid that I have some cool research on that somewhere...

Anyways, don't dismiss it because some say it's marketing hype. Just be careful what company you get it from. THAT'S the issue! Here's a good one:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/krilloil.html


Here's some actual science that should help answer your question:

1: Altern Med Rev. 2004 Dec;9(4):420-8.Click here to read Links
Evaluation of the effects of Neptune Krill Oil on the clinical course of hyperlipidemia.
Bunea R, El Farrah K, Deutsch L.

Department of Internal Medicine, McGill University, Montreal, Quebec, Canada.

OBJECTIVE: To assess the effects of krill oil on blood lipids, specifically total cholesterol, triglycerides, low-density lipoprotein (LDL), and high-density lipoprotein (HDL). METHODS: A multi-center, three-month, prospective, randomized study followed by a three-month, controlled follow-up of patients treated with 1 g and 1.5 g krill oil daily. Patients with hyperlipidemia able to maintain a healthy diet and with blood cholesterol levels between 194 and 348 mg per dL were eligible for enrollment in the trial. A sample size of 120 patients (30 patients per group) was randomly assigned to one of four groups. Group A received krill oil at a body mass index (BMI)-dependent daily dosage of 2-3 g daily. Patients in Group B were given 1-1.5 g krill oil daily, and Group C was given fish oil containing 180 mg eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and 120 mg docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) per gram of oil at a dose of 3 g daily. Group D was given a placebo containing microcrystalline cellulose. The krill oil used in this study was Neptune Krill Oil, provided by Neptune Technologies and Bioresources, Laval, Quebec, Canada. OUTCOME MEASURES: Primary parameters tested (baseline and 90-day visit) were total blood cholesterol, triglycerides, LDL, HDL, and glucose. RESULTS: Krill oil 1-3 g per day (BMI-dependent) was found to be effective for the reduction of glucose, total cholesterol, triglycerides, LDL, and HDL, compared to both fish oil and placebo. CONCLUSIONS: The results of the present study demonstrate within high levels of confidence that krill oil is effective for the management of hyperlipidemia by significantly reducing total cholesterol, LDL, and triglycerides, and increasing HDL levels. At lower and equal doses, krill oil was significantly more effective than fish oil for the reduction of glucose, triglycerides, and LDL levels.

PMID: 15656713 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

... and here's a NEW study with more reasons to take it:

1: Lipids Health Dis. 2008 Aug 29;7(1):30. [Epub ahead of print]Click here to read
Effects of Krill Oil on serum lipids of hyperlipidemic rats and human SW480 cells.
Zhu JJ, Shi JH, Qian WB, Cai ZZ, Li D.

ABSTRACT: BACKGROUND: Cardiovascular disease (CVD) and colon cancer incidence are known to be closely related to dietary factors. This article evaluated effects of krill oil (KO) on serum lipids of hyperlipidemia rats and human colon cancer cells (SW480). CONCLUSIONS: Our findings indicated that the consumption of KO may provide benefits to control serum lipid levels in certain diseases and inhibit growth of colon cancer cells. Therefore, KO may be a good candidate for development as a functional food and nutraceutical.

... and give it to your girl too!

1: Altern Med Rev. 2003 May;8(2):171-9.Click here to read Links
Evaluation of the effects of Neptune Krill Oil on the management of premenstrual syndrome and dysmenorrhea.
Sampalis F, Bunea R, Pelland MF, Kowalski O, Duguet N, Dupuis S.

Department of Experimental Surgery, University of Montreal, Montreal, Quebec, Canada. tina.sampalis@sympatico.ca

PRIMARY OBJECTIVE: To evaluate the effectiveness of Neptune Krill Oil (NKO) for the management of premenstrual syndrome and dysmenorrhea. SECONDARY OBJECTIVE: To compare the effectiveness of NKO for the management of premenstrual syndrome and dysmenorrhea with that of omega-3 fish oil. METHODS/ DESIGN: Double-blind, randomized clinical trial. CONCLUSION: Neptune Krill Oil can significantly reduce dysmenorrhea and the emotional symptoms of premenstrual syndrome and is shown to be significantly more effective for the complete management of premenstrual symptoms compared to omega-3 fish oil.


Hope this helps,
MM

[shadar]

I'm bumping this older thread instead of making a new one to rehash this same info.

Mostly I'm just curious about any updated research / thoughts on Krill Oil. In particular the cholesterol lowering level benefits. Not for me, but for several friends and family members.

[D.d.c.]

At least, not in the sense of the omega 3s being better. Here's the composition of krill oil, and a debunk of the krill oil hype I posted on another forum, which also explains how to get the benefits of krill for around half the price from fish oil and other supplements.:

Phospholipid Profile:
Phosphatidylcholine: > 78%
Lysophosphatidylcholine: >11%
Phosphatidylinositol >3%
Phosphatidylethanolamine >2%
Other Phospholipds: <6%
Total Phospholipids: >420 mg/g

Antiodixant Profile:
Astaxanthin: > 1.5 mg / gram
Vitamin A: >100 IU per gram
Vitamin E: >6 IU per gram

Fatty Acid Profile:
Omega - 3: >240 mg
EPA >150 mg
DHA > 90 mg
Omega-6 <30 mg
Omega-3-6 ration: 10:1

Krill is about 22 cents per 500mg pill, at its cheapest. In that pill there's .75 mg astaxanthin, 120mg of omega 3s (more epa than dha), and 163mg of Phosphatidylcholine, or PC. 210mg of total phosphatides per 500mg pill if you want to get specific.

I looked for an even cheaper source of phospholipids than what I had posted earlier and I found it. It's not as high in "phosphatidyl serine", but krill doesn't have that anyway.
http://www.iherb.com/Phosphatidyl-Ch...Gels/8518?at=0
Less than 10 cents per serving, 400mg of the primary phospholipid in krill per serving, or about 2 times more per cap than krill.

http://www.iherb.com/Nutrex-BioAstin...Caps/5929?at=0
closer to 20 cents per serving, but for about 4.5 times the amount in krill per serving. So krill has 5 cents worth of asta and some 5 cents worth of phospa per pill so far.

The fish oil I'm using is the jarrow max DHA listed in my sig. It's about 22 cents for a serving that is close to 20 times the amount of omega 3s in a capsule of krill oil (2375 mg vs 120 mg) . That would mean that the omega 3s in krill oil are 1.1 cents worth. If they actually do absorb twice as well as fish oil's, which could easily be horse****, but might not be, then that brings the worth of them up from 1.1 cents per pill to about 2.2 cents per pill. OoooOOOoooo.

So you add together the costs of what you can get from other supplements to pretty much equal krill (unless there's some super secret x factor! Which is not likely.), and you can get it, with the omega 3s in a better ratio of dha to epa, even, for anywhere from 11.1 cents to 12.2 cents, depending on if krill's omega 3s actually ARE absorbed twice as well as stated in advertising, or if that claim is TOTAL BULL****.

As for the ratio of omega 3s to omega 6s in krill vs. fish, that can be true for products that aren't super refined/concentrated ( the jarrow isn't... that's kinda why I like it), but unless you are a whale, krill is not a significant source of omega 3s. I'd rather supplement with fish oil, and then eat flax to make up the 'filler' omega 3s.

[shadar]

So is this bogus info then?

http://altmedicine.about.com/od/herb...a/krilloil.htm

In particular:

Krill oil is being studied as a natural remedy for high cholesterol. In one study, 120 people were given krill oil, fish oil or a placebo. Krill oil reduced LDL (commonly referred to as "bad") cholesterol by 34% and increased HDL ("good") cholesterol by 43.5% compared to the placebo. In comparison, fish oil reduced LDL cholesterol by 4.6% and increased HDL cholesterol by 4.2%. Krill also lowered triglycerides.

[NO HYPE]

EPA and DHA, from fish and krill oil, are both 20 and 22-carbon long-chain polyunsaturated fatty acids. Krill oil is structurally integrated with phospholipid molecules, and typically consists of 30% EPA/DHA, and about 40% phospholipids mostly in the form of phosphatidylcholine. The EPA/DHA content in fish oil is mostly in triglyceride form. There are separate benefits to both.

I think I've seen something along those lines somewhere before. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...91&postcount=6

[in10city]

I think I've seen something along those lines somewhere before. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...91&postcount=6

lol I thought that same thing when this thread came around again - why didn't I quote Tim. It's not like you weren't around and I hadn't done it before
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...1&postcount=10

[giantbrandon]

i run this with fish oil too

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/rp...idbalance.html

[vitaminjunkie]

I've seen Dr. Mercola taut fish oil many times before. Even if it might be a little better absorbed, you need to look at the price. I would estimate krill oil to be at least triple the price, if not more, of fish oil.

[D.d.c.]

I've seen Dr. Mercola taut fish oil many times before. Even if it might be a little better absorbed, you need to look at the price. I would estimate krill oil to be at least triple the price, if not more, of fish oil.

Hell I DID THE MATH, you don't even need to estimate it.

[shadar]

90 Krill caps at warehouse clubs for $19
150 Double Strength Fish Oil's for $15 (768mg epa/dha)

So about double the price of some good fish oil.

But still cheaper to use both than to buy some of the omega supplements out there.

I guess the main question isn't which is better... but if you'd see additional benefits from doing both.

It sounds like these two products are not replacements for each other per say but instead provide some different benefits. The Krill caps being strong anti-oxidants for example.

I'd still love to know if that study showing Krill oil to be far more powerful in reducing bad cholesterol and raising good cholesterol is accurate or if the study is hooey.

[D.d.c.]

90 Krill caps at warehouse clubs for $19
150 Double Strength Fish Oil's for $15 (768mg epa/dha)

So about double the price of some good fish oil.

But still cheaper to use both than to buy some of the omega supplements out there.

I guess the main question isn't which is better... but if you'd see additional benefits from doing both.

It sounds like these two products are not replacements for each other per say but instead provide some different benefits. The Krill caps being strong anti-oxidants for example.

I'd still love to know if that study showing Krill oil to be far more powerful in reducing bad cholesterol and raising good cholesterol is accurate or if the study is hooey.

Does nobody here read posts? You get astaxanthin and maybe phosphatidyl choline and you get the same benefits of krill oil in higher dosages for half the price along with fish oil.

But that IS a REALLY good price for krill oil. Still not cost effective, but not a bad price for krill oil.

[shadar]

Does nobody here read posts? You get astaxanthin and maybe phosphatidyl choline and you get the same benefits of krill oil in higher dosages for half the price along with fish oil.

But that IS a REALLY good price for krill oil. Still not cost effective, but not a bad price for krill oil.

The Astaxanthin is an anti-oxidant, correct?

I don't recall what phosophatidyl was supposed to do for you though.