11-oxo

[Mr. Aries]

Man, this is really embarrasing to me, I'm really glad that you pointed out that a subtle announcement .

lmao@ subtle statement.


When your name is Pat Arnold, no announcement posted on a forum is or will turn out to be subtle.

[Bloute]

It was a contest. I had no clue it would get that crazy.

[cxm]

It was a contest. I had no clue it would get that crazy.

Hyperdrol Lottery thread????

[Mister_A]

they did this to keep their product on top of company promotion at all times which in my opinion is unfair, i just hope they actually give out prizes for every 10 pages. they will end up so far in the red from promotion when guys like PA can just make a simple announcement no flashy top secret ads (which i also found lame). Furthermore he announced the product in a reasonable timeframe with an actual release date

All the prizes were already shipped out and most people have received them already. Why would you think the people wouldnt get their prizes??

[RonaldMcDonald]

why are people complaining about their marketing strategy here. It is your choice to ignore it or to be involved.

[Biorn]

Does this stuff have any interaction with the hypothalamus' negative feedback loop? I was thinking running something like Tongkat Ali with it or on PCT would be complimentary as long as they don't cancel each other out.

[Mister_A]

I'm actually being very serious. It was alot of work on my end that was totally unexpected. Think I wanted to sit here for days collecting peoples information to send them a shirt or beanie?? I dont think so. But we set the contest up and stuck with it.

[Bloute]

I'm actually being very serious. It was alot of work on my end that was totally unexpected. Think I wanted to sit here for days collecting peoples information to send them a shirt or beanie?? I dont think so. But we set the contest up and stuck with it.

I didnt say it wasnt a lot of work but you saw how the last year lottery turned out. People get crazy for free stuff. That's why I had the rolleyes you knew well it would get that crazy. I agree though it is a lot of job.

[Mister_A]

I didnt say it wasnt a lot of work but you saw how the last year lottery turned out. People get crazy for free stuff. That's why I had the rolleyes you knew well it would get that crazy. I agree though it is a lot of job.

I really didnt know. Believe what you want though.

[EMISGOD]

what's this stuff about people getting into debt buying supps? lol

I thought everyone did that? Isn't that the way to get HYOOOOOGE!?? The more you spend, the bigger you get faster, right?

[5Six]

Any word if this will be available in Canada or not?

[Bloute]

Any word if this will be available in Canada or not?

I really doubt it will, the new legislation with the DIN and other craps arent the best way to get supps here.

[SpanishLEGS]

I thought everyone did that? Isn't that the way to get HYOOOOOGE!?? The more you spend, the bigger you get faster, right?

By the way, anybody knows to which "well-known" ph/steroid his effects could be compared at the recommended/reasonable dosage ??

Maybe for some people it is not important but before buying something I like to know this kind of things... ;(

[At this moment I only know it reduces cortisol, but I suppose this is one of the things people expects from almost any anabolic...]

The initial supposition about this product being a similar product to hydroxy-testosterone was wrong, right??

[NYRFan68]

***disclaimer*** I do not intend to buy these products until i'm of age ( i just figured I'd put that out there so I don't get negged or flamed because I've worked hard for my rep power of 3 )



Anyways, its hard not to get distracted by the hype that both products 3ad and 11oxo are receiving.
Hypothetically, could these two products be run together safetly since they are not methylated? And if so would the lack of shutdown still remain the same?
If both these products are as good as they seem, i have a feeling people may run these with superdrol clones lol.

[Patrick Arnold]

I think you misread my post. Some people were saying that they preferred to buy 11-OXO over 3-AD because of AX's thread and how it has 27,000 posts and how hyped up it was. I was simply saying that that is not a reason to or not to buy a product and that one should base a purchase on the proper reasons

lets say theoretically that you really did not like a company's advertising. lets say they sold tires and you had tire ads every five feet on the highway and it drove you nuts

how could you send a message to the tire company that you disapprove of their ad?

[EdgarAllanPoe]

is some type of PCT recommended for 11-oxo, anything you should take during the cycle or before along with it?

I've never used 6-oxo or any ergopharm products

[Patrick Arnold]

It's up to the consuemr to decided what product they want to purchase. And it could be due to any variety or reasons, advertising campaign, time to market, price, etc. However you come to the decision is fine it's your personal values and choice.

But the reality is none of it affects the products' purity. Just because someone is a good bro doesn't mean the product will be what's claimed, I don't care if Jesus himself makes it. And just because someone uses what you may deem questionable marketing tactics is no indication the product won't be what is claimed. You can tout inhouse testing to ensure accuracy but it's worthless as there's obvious incentive to lie. .

i wish you could come visit our company and meet the people that work their and see our QC program.

our QC director would quit the company if we insisted on bottling an underdosed product.

and others might quit too, or at least be extremely dissapointed and upset

[EMISGOD]

lets say theoretically that you really did not like a company's advertising. lets say they sold tires and you had tire ads every five feet on the highway and it drove you nuts

how could you send a message to the tire company that you disapprove of their ad?

Cover them in used motor oil and gasoline and set a gigantic stack of them on fire outside of their corporate offices?

[Eur0MX]

[factotum]

i wish you could come visit our company and meet the people that work their and see our QC program.

our QC director would quit the company if we insisted on bottling an underdosed product.

and others might quit too, or at least be extremely dissapointed and upset

I'm willing to bet that every supp company would make the same assertion though. Too bad I don't live in that area so I could take you up on that offer.

But has either company ever put out a product that didn't meet label claims? Is their any valid reason to believe that either product won't be what's actually claimed or in the amount proposed? Just another marketing tactic to persuade users to buy one product over the other. Too bad the FDA doesn't actually test supps to see if they meet label claims. And trying to prod a few people to perhaps get soem testing done. Too bad we could set up an account whereby consuemrs interested in the product could donate $1 and get both products tested to remove any doubt and put and end to these silly implications.

[user27629377]

lmao@ subtle statement.


When your name is Pat Arnold, no announcement posted on a forum is or will turn out to be subtle.

I was speaking of the statement only, not the person who made the statement.

Please compare:

AX ANNOUNCEMENT:

Anabolic Xtreme 3-AD ---- Top Secret Information Declassified

Anabolic Xtreme (AX) has established this link to provide the public with an overview of 3-AD. Due to strict guidelines within the United States Hardcore Athlete Security Mandate (HASM), parts of this document cannot be released to the public and are censored accordingly. HASM was set in place to mitigate over-stimulation of the athletes psyche and limit uncontrollable pre-order spending due to extreme anticipation. A substantial amount of 3-AD information has been released and can be viewed following the attached weblink. More information will be released in accordance with HASM. As the release date nears for 3-AD you can expect this document to be extended and grey lines to be slowly removed. If you are interested in the most classified product Anabolic Xtreme has ever released, then check back frequently.

3-AD is the "pro-hormone" you have been waiting for!

http://www.anabolicx.com/3ad



Also look out for lots of different contests to win some AX stuff throughout this thread.

Contests have changed!!
From now on you will win a prize if you are the first post on every 10th page.

And also the top 7 posters in the first week of the thread will win a bottle of 3AD. (must be of age).

You can only win once!

PA's ERGOPHARM ANNOUNCEMENT:

in about 2 weeks we should be ready to ship our first hormone related product in about 5 years (i am not talking about 6-OXO extreme, i am talking about something completely new).

i have avoided any hype with this stuff. In fact its existence has not even been mentioned publically until now. I don't like hype, it makes me want to puke. I don't think I need to hype given my track record with products of this category

I am not gonna tell you what it is or how it works though until i see the stuff in the bottles and ready to ship

/enough said

[Docta J]

lets say theoretically that you really did not like a company's advertising. lets say they sold tires and you had tire ads every five feet on the highway and it drove you nuts

how could you send a message to the tire company that you disapprove of their ad?

ah, good point. But at the same time, you can choose to ignore the 3-AD threads if you wish. It's a bit harder to ignore signs/billboards/advertisements while driving

[techster]

I'm willing to bet that every supp company would make the same assertion though. Too bad I don't live in that area so I could take you up on that offer.

But has either company ever put out a product that didn't meet label claims?

Here are two posts with Dr. D blatantly lying about a "product that didn't meet label claims":
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...7&postcount=58
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...8&postcount=80

Here is a post with the DS statement recalling the product and thanking PA:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hlight=rebound

[user27629377]

Did the doctor drop you on your head when you were a baby?

hahahahah

[SpanishLEGS]

By the way, anybody knows to which "well-known" ph/steroid his effects could be compared at the recommended/reasonable dosage ??

Maybe for some people it is not important but before buying something I like to know this kind of things... ;(

[At this moment I only know it reduces cortisol, but I suppose this is one of the things people expects from almost any anabolic...]

The initial supposition about this product being a similar product to hydroxy-testosterone was wrong, right??

nobody can give me an aproximate answer...???

[5Six]

I really doubt it will, the new legislation with the DIN and other craps arent the best way to get supps here.

Shocking, no not really.

Depressing, very much so.

[factotum]

Here are two posts with Dr. D blatantly lying about a "product that didn't meet label claims":
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...7&postcount=58
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...8&postcount=80

Here is a post with the DS statement recalling the product and thanking PA:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hlight=rebound

That was with DS though and not AX so they likely have different QC procedures. Dr D may not even be involved in AX's QC procdures. Who knows. But either way it still resolves nothing. Only 3rd party testing would suffice.

[Fitzera]

Shocking, no not really.

Depressing, very much so.

isnt it? our gov't already follows through on alot of the US's wishes, but to be even more strict with supps than the US...thats just rude!

whats this new legislation though? ( i havent kept up with the current events lately) maybe 5-6 or blout could PM me to keep it out of this thread.

[DCarruso]

That was with DS though and not AX so they likely have different QC procedures. Dr D may not even be involved in AX's QC procdures. Who knows. But either way it still resolves nothing. Only 3rd party testing would suffice.

The fact that you simply gross over the proven fact that Dunlop flat out lied about the quality of his product and failed to do his job, calls into question about your objectivity. The terms that come to mind are 'apologist' and 'shrill'

[Estopell]

lets say theoretically that you really did not like a company's advertising. lets say they sold tires and you had tire ads every five feet on the highway and it drove you nuts

how could you send a message to the tire company that you disapprove of their ad?

Grrrrrr. I'm trying to chill but you're making it difficult.