Controversial Cutting with PSNA

[2020Wellness]

I guess my half assed trolling actually gets people mad LOL

More towards annoyed, far from mad though.

[FastCatChamp]

My 100 calories over included a cheat meal from a restaurant. I guessed at its calorie layout. I never looked it up until I was done eating for the day. If I had looked it up, I would have cut out 1 carb unit and then my number yesterday would have equaled 3807 (over by 7).

When I was cutting many months back, I was exact every time I logged the food into FitDay. Point is, I wasnt even trying to be exact yesterday (I even ate a cheat meal) yet I was still within 100 on a BULK. I cant believe anyone would be dissapointed to be 100 cals over while bulking. I assume that a competitor in a pre-competition mode would not be bulking.

BTW......I noted the title of this thread....what's controversial about using PSNA in a calorie deficit?

[2020Wellness]

My 100 calories over included a cheat meal from a restaurant. I guessed at its calorie layout. I never looked it up until I was done eating for the day. If I had looked it up, I would have cut out 1 carb unit and then my number yesterday would have equaled 3807 (over by 7).

When I was cutting many months back, I was exact every time I logged the food into FitDay. Point is, I wasnt even trying to be exact yesterday (I even ate a cheat meal) yet I was still within 100 on a BULK. I cant believe anyone would be dissapointed to be 100 cals over while bulking. I assume that a competitor in a pre-competition mode would not be bulking.

I knew what you were saying from the start FCC. Another good set of words

[FastCatChamp]

I knew what you were saying from the start FCC. Another good set of words

BTW...it was Red Lobster.....wife insisted. I had Maple Glazed Chicked with a side of jumbo skewered shrimp and a baked potato. It was the one cheddar biscuit that reprsented the extra 100. Damn, was that biscuit good. You cant go to Red Lobster and not eat one of those!

Typing this as I eat/drink my staple breakfast.........Sewage.....aka The Super Pooper Shake!

[2020Wellness]

BTW...it was Red Lobster.....wife insisted. I had Maple Glazed Chicked with a side of jumbo skewered shrimp and a baked potato. It was the one cheddar biscuit that reprsented the extra 100. Damn, was that biscuit good. You cant go to Red Lobster and not eat one of those!

Typing this as I eat/drink my staple breakfast.........Sewage.....aka The Super Pooper Shake!

Gotta have some of those! Nice work for just having one man, great dedication. I've done that before too.....watching others at the table devour bowls of chips and salsa while I wait for my dinner They say I'm weird, I say I'm passionate.

[bbavender]

I'm not mad or said iifym was lazy either I eat how I choose to eat. It works for me

[juliacheh]

I'm not mad or said iifym was lazy either I eat how I choose to eat. It works for me

Thank you.

[2020Wellness]

I'm not mad or said iifym was lazy either I eat how I choose to eat. It works for me

Bav, I knew you never said it was lazy either. The guy just is just holding onto something I said months ago, and then retracted as well. Like I said, I've never seen someone hold such a long term grudge over such a petty issue.

[Cumulonimbus]

It's called trolling strong getting all mad through the internet. I see it got to you pretty hard.

[2020Wellness]

It's called trolling strong getting all mad through the internet. I see it got to you pretty hard.

It's just clutter posting, which is what gets to me more. I like my threads to contain discussion that matters, not just someone who is posting to be annoying. I don't really see a point to that, especially when the issue has come and gone.

Like I said before, more annoying then anything, especially when you start to tell someone else that they said something they really didn't. Bavs never said anything about IIFYM being lazy.

[Cumulonimbus]

It's just clutter posting, which is what gets to me more. I like my threads to contain discussion that matters, not just someone who is posting to be annoying. I don't really see a point to that, especially when the issue has come and gone.

Like I said before, more annoying then anything, especially when you start to tell someone else that they said something they really didn't. Bavs never said anything about IIFYM being lazy.

Never accused him of saying it personally.

/trolling

[2020Wellness]

Never accused him of saying it personally.

/trolling

You're showing your age with that rebuttal, which is bound to happen. The bottom line is that I'd appreciate it if you stopped posting clutter in here. I'll discuss something with you if you want to have an actual conversation. The other stuff is pointless though, and we both know that.

[2020Wellness]

M1 - 500 cals
PPS - Whey
PCS - Milk, Bagel
PFS - Fish Oil

M2 - 500 cals
PPS - Chicken breast
PCS - Popcorn
PFS - Light Mayo, Cheese

The prep for M2 was simple. This is a great tasting meal that is 500 calories, which works out very well for me at this current calorie level.

Step 1: Cut up your pre-grilled chicken. Cut the chicken into a bowl on your scale, stop when you've hit your desired amount of the hen.


Step 2: Add your desired amount of Light Mayo. I used 100 calories worth in true PSNA style.


Step 3: Drop in some cheese, a blend is what I prefer. I used 100 calories worth, again, PSNA stylin!


Step 4: Microwave it all for 60 seconds and stir it up.

Here is the popcorn that I used, again, 100 calories worth, as I only want 1 serving of carbs.


Final product: 500 calories of good tasting food.


M3 - 500 cals
PPS - Hotter than Hell Jerky
PCS - Honey
PFS - Whole Milk



M4 - 500 cals
PPS - Chicken Breast
PCS - Sugar Snap Peas
PFS - Butter
Various Veggies, Mushrooms and Broccoli



M5 - 550 cals
PPS - Lean Beef
PCS - Sweet Corn
PFS - Butter
Mushrooms



Great meal to come home too tonight! Beef and sweet corn, gotta love it!

[bbavender]

Did you cook the hen before microwaving it?

[2020Wellness]

Did you cook the hen before microwaving it?

I actually grilled her on Sunday, along with about 6 of her friends!

[Reid456]

^^^^^
That's in my refrigerator most days. A plate full of breasts. Boy, do I love breasts

BTW...it was Red Lobster.....wife insisted. I had Maple Glazed Chicked with a side of jumbo skewered shrimp and a baked potato. It was the one cheddar biscuit that reprsented the extra 100. Damn, was that biscuit good. You cant go to Red Lobster and not eat one of those!

Typing this as I eat/drink my staple breakfast.........Sewage.....aka The Super Pooper Shake!

Red Lobster cheddar biscuits are so worth it.... so worth it.

This sewage that you talk about it... what is it again? It's some concoction of oats and whey and maybe something else?

[ispankmidgets]

True, you would survive.....but would you survive and flourish in a training setting that may have you in the weightroom for hours during the week where you may be attempting to set new PRs????

I think you misunderstood. I eat carbs. A lot actually.

[FastCatChamp]

^^^^^
That's in my refrigerator most days. A plate full of breasts. Boy, do I love breasts


Red Lobster cheddar biscuits are so worth it.... so worth it.

This sewage that you talk about it... what is it again? It's some concoction of oats and whey and maybe something else?

Oats + Whey + Walnut Oil + Water

I think you misunderstood. I eat carbs. A lot actually.

I understood. I know that mainly carbs are used to fill after fat and protein requirements are met with IIFYM. I also know that the eater can continue on with fats and proteins. I got it.

[Cumulonimbus]

Oats + Whey + Walnut Oil + Water

I understood. I know that mainly carbs are used to fill after fat and protein requirements are met with IIFYM. I also know that the eater can continue on with fats and proteins. I got it.

No. IIFYM is not based on macronutrient requirements. IIFYM means common sense + moderation and eat foods you enjoy while hitting your set macros (which is not IIFYM related)

Base diet around whole foods, and instead of "cheat meals" fit those calories in from the foods a typical bro bodybuilding diet wouldn't include. A calorie is a calorie and it is a form of energy, so why neglect certain foods and not count them on a regular basis?

[FastCatChamp]

I am eating a dinner of Fried Pork Chops, Mashed Potatoes & Gravy, Fruit, and Milk.

PPS - Pork -2p
PCS - Potatoes, Fruit, Milk - 4c
PFS - Canola Oil - 4f

[ispankmidgets]

I know that mainly carbs are used to fill after fat and protein requirements are met with IIFYM.

No.

[FastCatChamp]

No.

Thanks for correcting me....I'll read up on it further to learn more.

[bbavender]

No.

Quick example:

-200lb man at 20% body fat wants to lose weight
-Maintenance calories: 3000
-Calories to cut: 2400
-1.5g protein per lb/LBM: (1.5 * 160) 240g
-0.45g fat per lb/BW: (200 * 0.45) 90g
-Calories from fats + protein minimums: (240 * 4) + (90 * 9) = 1770
-Calories from reaching minimums taken from calories to cut: (2400 - 1770) 630
-He has 630 kcal left to fill with whatever foods he chooses and still lose weight as a result of remaining in a calorie deficit.

Directly from the IIFYM Sticky in the nutrition forum. Apparently fastcat was correct.

[mstatefan91]

Quick example:

-200lb man at 20% body fat wants to lose weight
-Maintenance calories: 3000
-Calories to cut: 2400
-1.5g protein per lb/LBM: (1.5 * 160) 240g
-0.45g fat per lb/BW: (200 * 0.45) 90g
-Calories from fats + protein minimums: (240 * 4) + (90 * 9) = 1770
-Calories from reaching minimums taken from calories to cut: (2400 - 1770) 630
-He has 630 kcal left to fill with whatever foods he chooses and still lose weight as a result of remaining in a calorie deficit.

Directly from the IIFYM Sticky in the nutrition forum. Apparently fastcat was correct.

That is what I have read there as well bavs.

[ispankmidgets]

This is true. I think there was a misunderstanding and that might have been on my part.

The way FastCat phrased it, it sounded like he thought someone following IIFYM would eat only protein and fat throughout the day until their macros were reached and then they would start eating carbs. Which is true, someone could do that, but instead they would probably eat a few carbs at each meal to provide energy throughout the day.

[Cumulonimbus]

Quick example:

-200lb man at 20% body fat wants to lose weight
-Maintenance calories: 3000
-Calories to cut: 2400
-1.5g protein per lb/LBM: (1.5 * 160) 240g
-0.45g fat per lb/BW: (200 * 0.45) 90g
-Calories from fats + protein minimums: (240 * 4) + (90 * 9) = 1770
-Calories from reaching minimums taken from calories to cut: (2400 - 1770) 630
-He has 630 kcal left to fill with whatever foods he chooses and still lose weight as a result of remaining in a calorie deficit.

Directly from the IIFYM Sticky in the nutrition forum. Apparently fastcat was correct.

Incorrect, because I have specific macros that I hit. Calories =/= bodycomp.

IIFYM is food choices, not macro goals. That sticky isn';t necessarily correct. Set macros, eat foods you enjoy while counting all macros because a calorie is a calorie, regardless if the said calorie i.e. incomplete protein source - may be small

[ispankmidgets]

No. IIFYM is not based on macronutrient requirements. IIFYM means common sense + moderation and eat foods you enjoy while hitting your set macros (which is not IIFYM related)

Base diet around whole foods, and instead of "cheat meals" fit those calories in from the foods a typical bro bodybuilding diet wouldn't include. A calorie is a calorie and it is a form of energy, so why neglect certain foods and not count them on a regular basis?

^ This. Food is food. No such thing as "clean" food or "dirty" food.

Instead of reading the sticky you should read this: http://jcdfitness.com/2010/09/clean-...ld-abandon-it/. Pretty good article.

[mstatefan91]

^ This. Food is food. No such thing as "clean" food or "dirty" food.

Instead of reading the sticky you should read this: http://jcdfitness.com/2010/09/clean-...ld-abandon-it/. Pretty good article.

Ehh I've heard that argument and you will never get me to agree that a McDonald's burger is ok to eat on a regular basis as long as it fits my macros because afterall food is food. No. There are foods that are inherently healthier for you than others. It may not effect your body composition (though chances are it will), but it will have an impact on your heart and arteries later on. I'm not saying to eat baked chicken every meal with celery but the way IIFYM comes across is like this: eat whatever you want as long as you hit your macros even if that includes fast food everyday. It may not have been intended to come across like that, but I guarantee you many people are using it to excuse their poor choices of food.

[bbavender]

Ehh I've heard that argument and you will never get me to agree that a McDonald's burger is ok to eat on a regular basis as long as it fits my macros because afterall food is food. No. There are foods that are inherently healthier for you than others. It may not effect your body composition (though chances are it will), but it will have an impact on your heart and arteries later on. I'm not saying to eat baked chicken every meal with celery but the way IIFYM comes across is like this: eat whatever you want as long as you hit your macros even if that includes fast food everyday. It may not have been intended to come across like that, but I guarantee you many people are using it to excuse their poor choices of food.

This...I feel like **** after eating processed crap

[Cumulonimbus]

Ehh I've heard that argument and you will never get me to agree that a McDonald's burger is ok to eat on a regular basis as long as it fits my macros because afterall food is food. No. There are foods that are inherently healthier for you than others. It may not effect your body composition (though chances are it will), but it will have an impact on your heart and arteries later on. I'm not saying to eat baked chicken every meal with celery but the way IIFYM comes across is like this: eat whatever you want as long as you hit your macros even if that includes fast food everyday. It may not have been intended to come across like that, but I guarantee you many people are using it to excuse their poor choices of food.

No. IIFYM is not based on macronutrient requirements. IIFYM means common sense + moderation and eat foods you enjoy while hitting your set macros (which is not IIFYM related)

Base diet around whole foods, and instead of "cheat meals" fit those calories in from the foods a typical bro bodybuilding diet wouldn't include. A calorie is a calorie and it is a form of energy, so why neglect certain foods and not count them on a regular basis?

Those people that eat crap every meal are ****s.

WRT fast food; http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/res...ch-review.html