Should U.S. Citizens be allowed to own assault rifles? (poll)

[Jeffreezy]

If I am being mugged or someone is at my door trying to break in? I am talking practical realistic situations here for civilians.

Is it not practical to have an extremely effective weapon for home defense? You own an AR15, you should understand that it is one of, if not THE MOST versatile rifle platform in the world, you can have a Home defense weapon, Hunting weapon, and target competition weapon all in one gun.

[SilverSpork]

CAN WE ONCE AND FOR ALL MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT VERY FEW OWN AN ASSAULT RIFLE IN THE USA?

For **** sakes people, if you are going to argue about something, atleast know what the hell you are arguing about. An assault rifle, by definition, has to have select fire modes (single, burst, full auto). You have to have an FFL in order to buy an assault rifle. Criminals do not use assault rifles for three reasons:

1) they are EXTREMELY regulated by the government. Difficult to find and aquire.
2) they are very expensive compared to what a rifle (sorry, what some of you call assault rifles......) cost.
3) if you are caught with one illegally you are just plain ****ed.

It bothers me to no end when I keep seeing threads about 'assault rifles' and the 'assault rifle' bull**** on the news. THEY ARE NOT ASSAULT RIFLES.

Yes I needed to type in caps so some of you get this in your head. Please rename the thread 'should US citizens be allowed to own long rifles with extended magazines?'.

Yes I think people should be allowed to own rifles. I own actual assault rifles, and one sub machine gun: M4, Rugger 556, and an Uzi. All legally.

I think (actually I know) that most Americans are too stupid to realize that banning firearms is not the solution to our problem. The problem is our society....many many many things wrong and continuing to get worse within our society. You could call it a steady moral decline.

People used to drive around with firearms in the cab of their cars decades ago, when gun laws where pretty much non-existant or atleast very lax...yet you very rarely heard about these mass shooting we seem to hear about all the time these days. That right there should strike a bell and make you think hmmmmmmmmmmm....maybe guns aren't the problem.

I wanted to drop in and leave my thoughts here. I'm not going to bother reading this thread because the ignorance of a lot of people is going to annoy me. Educate yourself before you take a stand, and I will respect your opinion a lot more regardless of your stance. Literally everyone I have spoken to regarding this issue who wants an all out ban on firearms, knows absolutely nothing about them, nor have ANY experience with them.

Wake the **** up.

[Twist3dJok3r]

http://nation.foxnews.com/crime/2013...-fathers-ar-15

he could have done the same with a handgun. The AR just happened to be the gun present.

[Spartan5364]

Defense from what? A criminal break in or mugging? if you come at me with a knife or from behind me and tackle me, whatever, Id rather have a hangun or knife.

yeah say a break in, 5 guys break into your house.
you have your handgun with 7 bullets, expell them and hit maybe 2 guys... with ar you could take out all 5... pretty simple brah

[OBrien33]

allright brah. next time a superstorm hits and there are riots around us, and we need to protect our property and family

i'll let you use the bolt action .22

and i'll take the ar-15 with 20 round magazine

Send the 30rnd mags this way. I have a feeling we r going to need them.

[Cacophony]

This assault rifle crap is nonsense. It boils down to cosmetics. How does a pistol grip, collapsable stock, or a flash suppressor make a firearm more deadly? Actual military rifles are already difficult to get legally, and most guns are semi auto too.

thank you.

when i think assault rifle i think fully auto, 30 rd mag.

those guns are, and have been illegal for decades.

but if you notice the people hating on guns don't know **** about them.

id actually prob be one of them sadly to admit if a few friends hadnt taken me hunting/shooting a few times. very fun and neat hobby. at the range everyone is damn cool, this one old guy was there by himself with like 50 different fire arms. he insisted i kept unloading clips of what i thought was $$$ ammo.

[Jeffreezy]

he could have done the same with a handgun. The AR just happened to be the gun present.

Goes both ways, mass shooters could just use a handgun. What's the point of banning AR15s?

[LiftBig315]

AR style? Yes

Actual assault rifle? Would be so fun, but not practical.

[proconsul]

CAN WE ONCE AND FOR ALL MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT VERY FEW OWN AN ASSAULT RIFLE IN THE USA?

For **** sakes people, if you are going to argue about something, atleast know what the hell you are arguing about. An assault rifle, by definition, has to have select fire modes (single, burst, full auto). You have to have an FFL in order to buy an assault rifle. Criminals do not use assault rifles for three reasons:

1) they are EXTREMELY regulated by the government. Difficult to find and aquire.
2) they are very expensive compared to what a rifle (sorry, what some of you call assault rifles......) cost.
3) if you are caught with one illegally you are just plain ****ed.

It bothers me to no end when I keep seeing threads about 'assault rifles' and the 'assault rifle' bull**** on the news. THEY ARE NOT ASSAULT RIFLES.

Yes I needed to type in caps so some of you get this in your head. Please rename the thread 'should US citizens be allowed to own long rifles with extended magazines?'.

Actually, I think the distinction is irrelevant. I'm thinking hard about buying a full auto M16, just because I can. I don't think it's offensive. Rather, I think what is offensive is that those with less means than I have cannot.

I'm just going to leave this here:


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[SquidSticks]

I don't see the need for people to own a fully auto M4a1 or an M60.

But weapons like the AR-15 are fine, people need to educate themselves.

[JFizzle23]

Goes both ways, mass shooters could just use a handgun. What's the point of banning AR15s?

There's no arguing with some like him. I've spent enough time in R/P to know when a guy is too far brainwashed to be reasoned with. Don't waste your time.

[Twist3dJok3r]

Goes both ways, mass shooters could just use a handgun. What's the point of banning AR15s?

Are not AR15s more effective killing weapons than, say, a handgun?

Can I not kill more people more effectively and efficiently with the rifles Obama is planning to ban?

[kusok]

If I am being mugged or someone is at my door trying to break in? I am talking practical realistic situations here for civilians.

Firepower and accuracy can be practical:

Recently a woman shot a guy 6 times with a handgun, and he walked away... (she was actually out of bullets) if he came with a friend, she would be in trouble. Possibly raped and/or killed. Two small children were with her... Other well known cases saw things like shop owners during LA riots having to potentially defend against hundreds of looters. Or police officers with handguns being absolutely mauled by a crazy guy with a semi-auto etc.

[Poppy83]

I just dont really see the point in banning ARs,
not like i'd get butt hurt or anything if they did though.

Still got a massive selection of bolt rifles, shotguns and semi auto pistols.

I heard the UK has more break-ins and petty crime going on than the US , and people dont have guns over there.

You should care. Banning AR-15s is limiting your selection of firearms. Why would they not continue to chip away and limit your selection further?

[Jeffreezy]

Are not AR15s more effective killing weapons than, say, a handgun?

Yes, but in the case of shooting unarmed civilians it's negligible. It's already been proven that hunting rifles and handguns can kill just as many, if not more people than "Assault Weapons", just look at the two deadliest mass shootings in history, (Norway & Virginia Tech)

So what's the point of a ban on "Assault Weapons"?

[Twist3dJok3r]

Firepower and accuracy can be practical. Recently a woman shot a guy 6 times with a handgun, and he walked away... (she was actually out of bullets) if he came with a friend, she would be in trouble. Possibly raped and/or killed. Two small children were with her... Firepower is often a good idea. Other well known cases saw things like shop owners during LA riots having to potentially defend against hundreds of looters. Or police officers with handguns being absolutely mauled by a crazy guy with a semi-auto etc.

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And im pretty sure he was no longer a threat after he had been shot 6 times. I am not arguing for the banning of handguns.

[kusok]

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And im pretty sure he was no longer a threat after he had been shot 6 times. I am not arguing for the banning of handguns.

The point is that woman was out of bullets, and if this guy came with a couple of friends, it would possibly be over for her. She barely made it this time. She clearly needed more firepower and/or accuracy.

[Twist3dJok3r]

The point is that woman was out of bullets, and if this guy came with a couple of friends, it would possibly be over for her. She barely made it this time. She clearly needed more firepower and/or accuracy.

Switch mags. And how often does such a situation happen?

[Poppy83]

I don't see the need for people to own a fully auto M4a1 or an M60.

But weapons like the AR-15 are fine, people need to educate themselves.

M16s and M60s would be ****ing awesome! I just cannot afford them and if I could, I could not afford to shoot them.

[proconsul]

Switch mags. And how often does such a situation happen?

A mag change can take a very long time.

The rest of your life, really.

[wnc817]

Right. But, do you trust everyone else who is able to purchase one has the same intent as you?

Do you really need a high powered rifle for anything other than recreational use?

Do you trust the executive and police to have a monopoly of power over the citizens? This is the issue. We need guns to protect ourselves from governments, whether foreign or domestic.

[Jeffreezy]

Switch mags. And how often does such a situation happen?

Often enough for people to worry about it. Often enough that things like that have happened multiple times in my neighborhood.

[Twist3dJok3r]

Can someone confirm or deny this is the list of guns proposed to be banned?

Rifles (or copies or duplicates):
M1 Carbine,
Sturm Ruger Mini-14,
AR-15,
Bushmaster XM15,
Armalite M15,
AR-10,
Thompson 1927,
Thompson M1;
AK,
AKM,
AKS,
AK-47,
AK-74,
ARM,
MAK90,
NHM 90,
NHM 91,
SA 85,
SA 93,
VEPR;
Olympic Arms PCR;
AR70,
Calico Liberty ,
Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU,
Fabrique National FN/FAL,
FN/LAR, or FNC,
Hi-Point20Carbine,
HK-91,
HK-93,
HK-94,
HK-PSG-1,
Thompson 1927 Commando,
Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
Saiga,
SAR-8,
SAR-4800,
SKS with detachable magazine,
SLG 95,
SLR 95 or 96,
Steyr AU,
Tavor,
Uzi,
Galil and Uzi Sporter,
Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ).
Pistols (or copies or duplicates):
Calico M-110,
MAC-10,
MAC-11, or MPA3,
Olympic Arms OA,
TEC-9,
TEC-DC9,
TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10,
Uzi.
Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):
Armscor 30 BG,
SPAS 12 or LAW 12,
Striker 12,
Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs):
A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see
below),
(iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud.
Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than
10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles).
A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a
detachable magazine, and has:
(i) a second pistol grip,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a barrel shroud or
(iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and
(v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10
rounds.
A semiautomatic shotgun with:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a pistol grip (see definition below),
(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity
of more than 5 rounds, and
(iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits.
Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any “semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General.”

[John L]

Assault weapons aren't the problem. We just need stricter laws on murder so people won't get killed anymore.

[Poppy83]

Why would I need a semi automatic rifle when I have a handgun?

Are not AR15s more effective killing weapons than, say, a handgun?

Can I not kill more people more effectively and efficiently with the rifles Obama is planning to ban?

If someone is breaking into my house, then a more effective threat-stopping machine is what I want to have. I think you answered your own question, but you are too concerned with your sensationalist language and love for Obama to be reasoned with.

[kusok]

Switch mags. And how often does such a situation happen?

It doesn't matter how often a situation happens, because it's morally wrong to sacrifice some people for the better of society overall. Switching mags can take some critical time.

A nice video:

[Jeffreezy]

Can someone confirm or deny this is the list of guns proposed to be banned?

Looks fake, almost a xerox copy of AWCA. I believe a proposed ban would be more extensive, highly doubt it would pass though (thank goodness).

[Spartan5364]

Assault weapons aren't the problem. We just need stricter laws on murder so people won't get killed anymore.

liberals don't care about people getting killed.
These gun laws are just a knee jerk reaction to the loonies who go shooting up places.

[Twist3dJok3r]

A mag change can take a very long time.

The rest of your life, really.

So can raising your rifle from the low ready position.

Often enough for people to worry about it. Often enough that things like that have happened multiple times in my neighborhood.

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