Guys! A Redditor just finished lab tests on a bunch of protein powder brands!

[Train_Harder]

Interesting that Dymatize was done by a competitor. I do think it's cool that the CEO made some posts here. It sounds like a different scenario than this Gaspari one though.

From Dynamtize CEO's post,

"Our plant (a 113,000 sq foot facility in Dallas) where we make Elite protein (in fact we make all our Dymatize powders XPand, gainers, cereal, oats, 12 hour etc. and liquids in this facility), is GMP certified by the NSF. I believe less then 2% of plants earn this designation. Our facility where we make all of our pills (we own that as well) is a fully licensed pharmaceutical plant in Florida. That is the highest license you can obtain. Both facilities are registered with the FDA and both receive FDA inspections."


They definitely blow Gaspari away.

[T3hGiggles]

Good thing I got 3 big jugs of Dymatize Elite XT. =]

[BanWagon]

Just so you guys know, the testing against Dymatize was done by a competitor which resulted in a lawsuit against them for inaccuracies proven against them. Further leading to a long statement here at BB.com by the Dymatize CEO.

Here are his 4 comments on the matter:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...1#post43565341
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...1#post43567401
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...#post163398181
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...#post244150431

You can be assured that our stuff is indeed legit.

Claims product is legit. Also claims to be 8'8" and 888 lbs. I want to believe...

[|ceman]

From Dynamtize CEO's post,

"Our plant (a 113,000 sq foot facility in Dallas) where we make Elite protein (in fact we make all our Dymatize powders XPand, gainers, cereal, oats, 12 hour etc. and liquids in this facility), is GMP certified by the NSF. I believe less then 2% of plants earn this designation. Our facility where we make all of our pills (we own that as well) is a fully licensed pharmaceutical plant in Florida. That is the highest license you can obtain. Both facilities are registered with the FDA and both receive FDA inspections."


They definitely blow Gaspari away.

No disrespect to Dymatize as they are good people and make decent products, but SQL 2000 Level III > GMP.

Our manufacturer is SQF 2000 level III certified and we have our internal control tests... Our product is made at a GFSI level which is a global standard that exceeds ISO 22000 standards...This blows every nutraceutical GMP out of the water.

http://www.sqfi.com/wp-content/uploa...-2000-Code.pdf

What Is SQF?
The Safe Quality Food Program (SQF) is a comprehensive food safety and quality management certification system for food manufacturers, wholesalers, and distributors. It is a Global Food Safety Initiative (GFSI) benchmarked food safety standard. SQF can be applied at all levels of the food supply chain (SQF 1000 applies to farmers and producers and SQF 2000 to food manufacturers and distributors). SQF provides independent certification that a product or process complies with specific international standards and enables a food supplier to give assurances that food has been produced, prepared, and handled according to the highest possible standards.
http://www.nsf.org/business/sqf/index.asp?program=SQF

[awds]

Dymatize is legit. Its all I've been using.

[NZealander94]

Wow, this thread appeared days after I bought my first tub of myofusion. I guess I'll finish it, but after that I'm going back to a brand I trust (ON)

[_NEMESIS_]

LOL at the Gaspari rep trying to do damage control.

Ever since Gaspari went away from PH's, they've become a joke of a company.

[Archanic]

Dymatize is legit. Its all I've been using.

Man I hope so, I just ordered a tub of there iso-100 and that aint cheap lol.

But I need the low carb for my keto diet next week.

Right now I am using there Elite whey (blend of iso and con) and like it. I feel like I can trust them, but proof is always good.

[CurryTech777]

I like Myofusion and have had good results with it. That shows me more than any suspect testing done in a non professional lab under questionable conditions. JMHO

I understand your reservations when it comes to believing the data done by some guy online but your explanation is more ludicrous. How can you say your results are a direct result of myofusion? Im guessing you eat quite a bit of protein (through food), and that could easily have been the source of your gains or results. Myofusion COULD just be sugar and brown food colouring, so the only way to test it through your method would be to use myofusion as your only source of protein. I realize that this is an extreme, but that is the only way to isolate the fact that myofusion does what is advertised. one cannot simply say that their protein whey makes any sort of difference just by itself. Just too many variables


Also, anyone have results for cytosport (costco bag protein), on that poverty time.

[AndrewChan]

I cant paste links so use waybackmachine to find links to test results:

Claimed Protein % From Manufacturers Label
Brand
Product
Protein % on Label
Reflex Instant Whey 78%
USN 100% Whey Protein 80%
Sportslab Technologies Massive Whey 76%
PhD Pharma-Whey 80%
MRM Metabolic Whey 76%
Met-Rx Supreme Whey 72%
Garnell High Performance Whey 77%
Extreme Performance Whey 72%
EAS MyoProWhey 77%
Dymatize Elite Whey 78%
Optimum 100% Whey 82%


Reflex Product Protein Test Results
Reference
Brand
Product
Protein %
CHT733164 Reflex Instant Whey 909gm Choc-Mint BN:0052 78.0
CHT618262 Reflex Instant Whey 2.27kg Banana BN:0061 77.9
CHT588341 Reflex MicroWhey 2.27kg Vanilla BN:0004 86.7
CHT556690 Reflex Instant Whey 2.27kg Chocolate BN:0059 BBE 03/08 79.1
CHT548265 Reflex Instant Whey 2.27kg Strawberry BN:0062 BBE 02/08 82.5
CHT836239 Reflex Instant Whey Chocolate BN:0104 79.7
CHT836239 Reflex Instant Whey Strawberry BN:0113 76.8


Competitor Product Protein Test Results
Reference
Brand
Product
Protein %
CHT836231 USN 100% Whey Protein Lot# 7007 Strawberry 73.1
CHT836232 USN 100% Whey Protein Lot# 29285 Chocolate 69.3
CHT836233 Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey GS 106304M Strawberry 80.0
CHT836234 Optimum Nutrition 100% Whey GS 106310L Chocolate 78.0
CHT836235 EAS 100% Whey Whey Protein 421107100 Chocolate 75.3
CHT836236 EAS 100% Whey Whey Protein MYPS012250 Strawberry 72.6
CHT836237 Dymatize Elite Whey Lot#135565 Berry Black 67.6
CHT836237 Dymatize Elite Whey Lot#135565 Berry Blast 67.6
CHT836238 Dymatize Elite Whey Lot#1029702 Chocolate 67.0
CHT739708 Dymatize Elite Whey Rich Chocolate BN: 124166 65.8
CHT739709 Dymatize Elite Whey Berry Blast BN: 116568 68.7
CHT739710 Optimum Nutrition Whey Gold Standard Double Rich Chocolate BN: 206200F 77.9
CHT739711 Optimum Nutrition Whey Gold Standard Delicous Strawberry BN:106199B 81.8
CHT739712 USN 100% Whey Protein Chocolate Cream BN:36506 71.5
CHT739713 USN 100% Whey Protein Strawberry Cream BN:27705 74.0

what the hell am i reading?

a company did its own testing on its competitor's products and finds that its competitors have less protein than claimed? yet its own protein is up to par? skeptical...

[joakman]

what the hell am i reading?

a company did its own testing on its competitor's products and finds that its competitors have less protein than claimed? yet its own protein is up to par? skeptical...

Read above about said company

[Randoja]

Optimum nutrition seems to have performed well in these tests results too.

[NYCJovi]

Anyone know if tests were ran on the "Bodybuilding.com 100% Whey Power" whey protein? I'm curious as to whether it's as good as bb.com claims.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/bo...hey-power.html

Lately i don't have the time to run through threads to find stuff so i'd appreciate it if someone pointed me in the direction of the test results/posts/info on it if they have it.

I'll of course be providing reps. I hardly rep anyone anymore so i'm almost always fully charged.

Also, if someone is willing to do a video on taking several whey protein brands to a lab and video recording the results, taking pics, putting it on a spreadsheet or whatever i'm sure you'll get reps from everyone on here. That'd be dope. Someone should get on that and we all just rep the person(s) for doing a great service for us all.

EDIT: Can someone provide cliffs on the testing and results? I saw this thread when it was 7 pages and now it's at 46. Like i said, i'd comb through it but i really just don't have the time.

Thanks in advance.

Quoting so others will see.

[lucious]

I made like this years ago (no lab tests though) about MuscleTechs Anator p-70 and what a load of crap it was, mods deleted it.


fight the power













fight the power

[rootcon]

lol @ 30% less protein than advertised.

Notice that they never error on the side of MORE protein than advertised? Also interesting how they're consistently ~25-30% off...

Its because they buy the raws and cut them with dextrose or other sugars. Dextrose is about $2/lb retail, you can imagine wholesale.

What's the difference between Gainers and whey powder? The gainer's label is accurate. (not 100%srs, but its not far off).

[rootcon]

I have no doubt people have had good results with proteins that have signifcantly less protein than advertised. The added sugar IMO is actually beneficial to someone who doesn't eat enough high glycemic foods. Insulin activates the pi3k-akt-mTOR protein synthesis pathway. This is good for some who are under-doing their carbs, but if you're like me and calculate macros, having additional sugar and less protein moves away from optimal.

So for science nuts, it would result in Rheb not binding to mTOR

http://www.jbc.org/content/280/25/23433.full

[Icicle]

I have no doubt people have had good results with proteins that have signifcantly less protein than advertised. The added sugar IMO is actually beneficial to someone who doesn't eat enough high glycemic foods. Insulin activates the pi3k-akt-mTOR protein synthesis pathway. This is good for some who are under-doing their carbs, but if you're like me and calculate macros, having additional sugar and less protein moves away from optimal.

So for science nuts, it would result in Rheb not binding to mTOR

http://www.jbc.org/content/280/25/23433.full

mind is full of fck.

[|ceman]

I think if you change the labels this graphic could well illustrate this thread and the subsequent conversations and child threads that it spawned.

[deserusan]

4th party tests now verifying the 3rd party test. Since Covance wasn't good enough (for some of you) to verify our internal testing, we just had retentions retested a few days ago.

http://www.gasparinutrition.com/imag...c_06212012.pdf

[|ceman]

This ^

Still waiting on the other 3rd party lab results they claimed they had.

Blatant lies, again.

Came in to check if Iceman ever posted the "other" (non-Covance) 3rd party lab test results he claims Gaspari has.

He still comes up with...nothing.

Carry on.

...

4th party tests now verifying the 3rd party test. Since Covance wasn't good enough (for some of you) to verify our internal testing, we just had retentions retested a few days ago.

http://www.gasparinutrition.com/imag...c_06212012.pdf

All joking aside. Thanks to all the loyal customers that stuck by us throughout these last couple weeks. As far as what we can prove, Gaspari Nutrition has gone above and beyond to put consumer's concerns to rest.

If this whole situation has brought one fact to the fore is that there is a need for more independent quality testing (by accredited labs and consumer groups) and that the average consumer needs more education and information on the products they buy and the quality inherent to their selections.

Quality has been and will continue to be a main focus of the Gaspari Nutrition team in bringing effective sports supplements to market. Thanks for your support.

[RuckstaR]

Intredasting. Also intredasting is the deafening silence following these results (both by supporters and naysayers).

Good on Gaspari for retesting; my only wish would be that the tests occured on a product shipped directly from a retailer rather than the producer (I think we know this will become an issue for many) but I'm satisified; can stop looking at my morning Intrapro with such skepticism now. I've been staring it down for days now but it hasn't broken under interrogation....

[|ceman]

Intredasting. Also intredasting is the deafening silence following these results (both by supporters and naysayers).

Good on Gaspari for retesting; my only wish would be that the tests occured on a product shipped directly from a retailer rather than the producer (I think we know this will become an issue for many) but I'm satisified; can stop looking at my morning Intrapro with such skepticism now. I've been staring it down for days now but it hasn't broken under interrogation....

Just a point of clarification on testing. There are two types of testing at play here:

1) Manufacturer does quality tests BEFORE product hits store shelves. This is done by the manufacturer (or a designated 3rd party lab) to ensure quality and if there are any issues, the affected product can be stopped before it hits shelves. A sample of each lot is sent to the lab to verify quality and specs. This type of test is paid for by the manufacturer.

2) Independent tests of random retail product. This is done by a party other than the manufacturer and is done to independently verify that the product meets label claims and that it is free of harmful contaminants. An unopened retail package must follow proper chain of custody and arrive at the lab directly from a retailer and be untampered with in any way. This type of test is paid for by whoever runs that test. For obvious reasons, the manufacturer cannot be involved in any way with this testing.

Gaspari Nutrition does test type #1 on all our batches, and in this case paid to have a second lab do a test to reconfirm what the first lab found.

I too would like to see more of test type #2 done and I am in agreement with improvements in the quality and purity of food products available to consumers.

[MuscleXtreme]

I'm glad to see Gaspari went and did an additional test. I definitely think it's a legitimate test, and I give props to Gaspari for doing such. However, like it's been noted before in the past, the legitimacy of the tests can be called into question because it's not a true double-blind study.

Could Gaspari possibly had a batch that they know would pass highly and had that batch tested? - Maybe
Could Gaspari have had a totally off the shelf batch tested and it came out clear? - Maybe


I do think this additional test is legit. I think both parties have learned a lot from this whole ordeal. I truly believe that there needs to be a totally independent agency that tests supplements. Where it's not the supplement companies sending their batches to be tested, or consumers sending baggies to be tested. I don't believe the FDA is the answer, so hopefully some type of company similar to consumer reports will come along, this will serve as a benefit to both the consumers and supplement companies.

[Couthos]

CLIFFS on the last couple days? Are the proteins legit? Some still to avoid? Best current bang for your buck-> Dymatize?

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All joking aside. Thanks to all the loyal customers that stuck by us throughout these last couple weeks. As far as what we can prove, Gaspari Nutrition has gone above and beyond to put consumer's concerns to rest.

If this whole situation has brought one fact to the fore is that there is a need for more independent quality testing (by accredited labs and consumer groups) and that the average consumer needs more education and information on the products they buy and the quality inherent to their selections.

Quality has been and will continue to be a main focus of the Gaspari Nutrition team in bringing effective sports supplements to market. Thanks for your support.

I'm very glad to see you guys went through with this. I was concerned with what I saw, although skeptical of the handling methods, from the bad tests that came out. I have issues with Lecithin, and IntraPro is the only Protein that I have found that doesn't have it as an ingredient. Thanks Gaspari for putting my worries to rest.

[joakman]

CLIFFS on the last couple days? Are the proteins legit? Some still to avoid? Best current bang for your buck-> Dymatize?

Another test done proving what they originally stated. Yes. Not based on any of these studies. Yes.

[AndrewChan]

Hey Gaspari,

Can you test Dymatize and Optimum Nutrition too?








not srs









maybe srs...

[deserusan]

Hey Gaspari,

Can you test Dymatize and Optimum Nutrition too?








not srs









maybe srs...

We have and they test out great. I highly recommend those brands, if you're not interested in Gaspari of course.

[CSpanky]

So is any Dymatize high quality? The Iso-100 and the elite or what? Looking to get some more proteinz

[Riot101]

Was really interested in him testing that gnc protein!

Its almost $80 bucks for 3lbs haha so it better be some quality stuff