If you are atheist... then, why don't you kill yourself, or lead a hedonistic life

[Dragger]

Well if you are atheist, and believe in everything came spontaneously. Then why don't you just kill yourself? b/c there is a lot of bad **** in this world, no? Everybody killing each other, and you know you are going to die anyway. So why not take the logical choice and do a painless shot to blow your brains out, without risking possibly a harsher death like burning alive or drowning.
If it is just spontaneous, you could just as easily be alive again, as another human say... a century from now.

If you don't want to do that, then why not be hedonsitic and self medicating all the time, getting sex all the time, stealing when you can if you aren't going to get caught, etc.???

Why don't you just kill yourself(I'd vote for that)?

Isn't your heaven supposed to be infinitely better than this dirty mudball full of atheist we call earth? Just get it over with and go to your imaginary heaven.

*Negged for making one of the dumbest comments I've ever heard.

[mjfan12]

If I had proof of no God (I definately believe in a supreme being) I would go buck wild and do whatever I wanted, whenever.

Live fast, live hard, die young

[C Project]

Well if you are atheist, and believe in everything came spontaneously. Then why don't you just kill yourself? b/c there is a lot of bad **** in this world, no? Everybody killing each other, and you know you are going to die anyway. So why not take the logical choice and do a painless shot to blow your brains out, without risking possibly a harsher death like burning alive or drowning.
If it is just spontaneous, you could just as easily be alive again, as another human say... a century from now.

If you don't want to do that, then why not be hedonsitic and self medicating all the time, getting sex all the time, stealing when you can if you aren't going to get caught, etc.???

Because if they kill themselves they'll go to hel-- Ohhh. I get it.


Just because someone is an atheist, doesn't make them a bad person. They enjoy life too, just don't view it the same as believers.

[SDMuscleBuddy]

Well if you are atheist, and believe in everything came spontaneously. Then why don't you just kill yourself? b/c there is a lot of bad **** in this world, no? Everybody killing each other, and you know you are going to die anyway. So why not take the logical choice and do a painless shot to blow your brains out, without risking possibly a harsher death like burning alive or drowning.
If it is just spontaneous, you could just as easily be alive again, as another human say... a century from now.

If you don't want to do that, then why not be hedonsitic and self medicating all the time, getting sex all the time, stealing when you can if you aren't going to get caught, etc.???

Wow. Well, for starters, an atheist believes that we only get one shot at life, pardon the pun. Why not get the most out of it? How stupid would it be to end it early, and for what? Because there is a lot of "bad ****" in this world? Ridiculous.

Morality, while largely subjective, has some universal aspects. You mention stealing for example. I don't steal for two reasons: It infringes on the rights of others, and I don't want anyone stealing from me. I believe that not only should we do unto others as we would have them do unto us, I live by the same rules I set for others, and my actions are, or should be, for the benefit of the greatest number of people possible while impacting negatively the fewest. I don't need a threat of eternal damnation to live this way.

[iliketodoit]

ROFL. The OP owned every religious douche. Get it right.

The question is supposed to be directed to HIMSELF, not Atheists.

Atheists know that this is the only life they are going to get so they make the most out of it.

Religious people in the other hand think there is a heaven or hell (I know, LOL), so they don't care if they die now or later. Hence, when they DO die, and simply rot in a coffin, I'll be able to say:

Congrats you dip**** -

i lol'd

op is dumb****

the 22 year old up above me on this page is too.

[eazy_mas]

first anti-athiest thread for long time.

You sure you guys are reacting to it in instant

[NamesAreHardToPick]

Within the first two lines there was already a caricature of my view of the world. I suppose some might think of life's downs as hard to take, but I view them as ways to appreciate the ups. I find "eternal joy" or "eternal pain" quite depressing actually; in a sense, I am glad some people are religious and look forward to something as such, but some of us find that worse than reality. The good and the bad moments of life should both be appreciated; just as with growth (of anything), it is often the tears, the wounds and the pain that make us become stronger individuals.

Of course, using Mead's symbolic-interactionism it is of no surprise to me that some of us can find a limited life depressing, while others find an infinite life depressing. But I am one of the view that it is life's limits that make is absolutely worth living: the good moments do not last forever, but we should cherish them while we have them.

Many other points have already been elucidated on so there's no need to go into the other information; nonetheless definitely some enjoyable posts in this topic.

[Geno]

If I had proof of no God (I definately believe in a supreme being) I would go buck wild and do whatever I wanted, whenever.

Live fast, live hard, die young

You are the perfect example of why we need laws.

[JAGERBOY]

You are the perfect example of why we need laws.

LOL, and 38's.

[Calhexas]

Well if you are atheist, and believe in everything came spontaneously. Then why don't you just kill yourself? b/c there is a lot of bad **** in this world, no? Everybody killing each other, and you know you are going to die anyway. So why not take the logical choice and do a painless shot to blow your brains out, without risking possibly a harsher death like burning alive or drowning.
If it is just spontaneous, you could just as easily be alive again, as another human say... a century from now.

If you don't want to do that, then why not be hedonsitic and self medicating all the time, getting sex all the time, stealing when you can if you aren't going to get caught, etc.???

As a theist...I'll answer this.

Atheists still have ethics. Atheists still have desires. Atheists still have dreams and a taste for life. Atheists still enjoy living (most of them anyway).

And just because an atheist doesn't believe in sin, doesn't mean they will emerge their life in everything that sin embodies. Criminal punishment still exists...and so does pain.

[sumguy]

As a theist...I'll answer this.

Atheists still have ethics. Atheists still have desires. Atheists still have dreams and a taste for life. Atheists still enjoy living (most of them anyway).

And just because an atheist doesn't believe in sin, doesn't mean they will emerge their life in everything that sin embodies. Criminal punishment still exists...and so does pain.

Yes, and if someones morals are only contingent on punishment or reward from God, they really have no morals at all.

[Fidelis]

LOL, and 38's.

45 ftw

[AKR]

You are the perfect example of why we need laws.

People like him make me sick. You have serious issues if you have no real morals of your own. Let's hope he never loses his faith.

Yes, and if someones morals are only contingent on punishment or reward from God, they really have no morals at all.

Exactly. People that believe there is no morality w/o god are just showing that they are the true immoral ones. Doing something based on rewards and punishment is not being moral; it's just acting to get what you selfishly want.

[Calhexas]

Yes, and if someones morals are only contingent on punishment or reward from God, they really have no morals at all.

No...they have morals...they're just selfishly motivated.

Luckily...I (and more theists than you would like to think) am not in that category.

[leafs43]

If you are christian why don't you picket peoples funerals and blame death and AIDS on gays?

If you are muslim why don't you blow up buildings for your personal jihad?

If you are some sort of buddhist why don't you light yourself on fire?



See generalizing questions are phunz.

[grapemaster]

in the end i think alot of atheists are just afraid to kill themselves... the realize life is pointless and death is inevitable but they still have that primitive survival mechanism that makes them fear death (suicide) they still even have children even though they know those children will just continue an endless cycle of life and death with no god and no purpose

they claim subjective purpose can be found through enjoying life but in the end we all die, and consciousness ends so what real purpose can honestly be found.... the answer = none

atheists are sometimes as delusional as theists...

Thanks... somebody else partially agrees...

the rest of you are blowing it out of proportion or taking offense...

don't think I think the above because I state this, I am basically saying if you are not living hedonistically and primal, you are essentially delusional also to an extent. My posts are meant to be somewhat provocative though, so ...it has worked, it isn't flame bait but meant to make you think... some of you are and have had good responses.

[Fidelis]

Thanks... somebody else partially agrees...

the rest of you are blowing it out of proportion or taking offense...

don't think I think the above because I state this, I am basically saying if you are not living hedonistically and primal, you are essentially delusional also to an extent. My posts are meant to be somewhat provocative though, so ...it has worked, it isn't flame bait but meant to make you think... some of you are and have had good responses.

Define "hedonistic" because I'm not totally sure what you mean by that.

[Less Than 3]

Thanks... somebody else partially agrees...

the rest of you are blowing it out of proportion or taking offense...

don't think I think the above because I state this, I am basically saying if you are not living hedonistically and primal, you are essentially delusional also to an extent. My posts are meant to be somewhat provocative though, so ...it has worked, it isn't flame bait but meant to make you think... some of you are and have had good responses.

plz explain further how atheists are 'delusional' if they do not act hedonistically. btw, this thread is blatantly flame-bait and pointless whether intentional or not, get real.

[grapemaster]

plz explain further how atheists are 'delusional' if they do not act hedonistically. btw, this thread is blatantly flame-bait and pointless whether intentional or not, get real.

You are delusional to think that your life serves purpose... if you do agree on the random creation of spontaneous life, it is nice you are in consciousness, but to say it has a point to it, you would be wrong according to your beliefs, correct. The only ethics you have are from fear, or, your delusions about life or how it should be. Ethics is just as much a man made control mechanism as you are viewing as the religious doctrines you do not choose to believe in. They are man made also... Society in the end only controls you to live a bit longer...
You only really obey them out of a root of fear in your ego b/c you do not want to die, if you violate them, society will lock you up and thus end your life. This is not real either though, no more than what you think about religion. The ones living hedonistically and primal more power to them, if you think that life is pointless more power to you.
As for killing yourself, if all you ever can know is conciousness... your own... you would never know if you died over and over again... You would come to the EXACT same conclusion being born into this universe assuming you had "conciousness"
I agree that ethics and law are necessary, to prolong life, and have a better life on the planet, BUT if you do agree that it is pointless in your view of atheism, then all of your ethics should also be pointless and you should have absolutely not fear of death or any possible outcomes you have from violating these. If you are atheist and think you have a point to your life, you are delusional as well.
Most of the atheists here DO agree so far...whether you know it or not... it had 2 options, one yes was extreme, but made to make a point. The other is your real option in a godless world. Your ethics are just as delusional w/o god or purpose. If you are atheist I just don't believe how you are living in an ethical world based on right and wrong, good or bad, b/c they aren't there! You made them up to save your life, through millions of years of survival mechanism, just as you view religion as control mechanisms.

[Barbarian440]

Why would I have to subcribe to your notion of what might bring me the most pleasure? I don't have to do anything I don't want to do and I don't want to be some kind of psychotic douchebag. Your argument is that there are no objective moral truths except when enforced by the presence of a god. I don't even have to refute that to win the debate because there is no logical reasoning to support your position in the first place.

Flame bait.

[darkblood]

I have empathy for other people. I respect the rights of others, because I trust that others would respect my rights.

Hedonism and excess can be fun in the short term, but it is not a way to live. The excess would become stale after a while. I find a life more meaningful is one where I discover new things every day, alleviate suffering, and help others to alleviate their suffering.

Please stop using broad generalizations. It only makes you look like an ass.

[Inev]

You are delusional to think that your life serves purpose...

Ahh, thinking . . . there is your problem.

Just as you "think" god gives your life purpose. Atheist "think" that family and loved ones give their life purpose. imagine that . . .

[grapemaster]

Ahh, thinking . . . there is your problem.

Just as you "think" god gives your life purpose. Atheist "think" that family and loved ones give their life purpose. imagine that . . .

Do you agree you are here by spontaniety of billions of years of evolution? If so you are a product of reproduction that happens to have the ability to be aware of his/her surroundings, nothing more.

Remember I give you two options in original post... though they are harsh, they are options meant to make you think... as you say. You don't think you are deluded in your purpose?

I will quote another poster for this:"they claim subjective purpose can be found through enjoying life but in the end we all die, and consciousness ends so what real purpose can honestly be found.... the answer = none"

[SDMuscleBuddy]

You are delusional to think that your life serves purpose... if you do agree on the random creation of spontaneous life, it is nice you are in consciousness, but to say it has a point to it, you would be wrong according to your beliefs, correct. The only ethics you have are from fear, or, your delusions about life or how it should be. Ethics is just as much a man made control mechanism as you are viewing as the religious doctrines you do not choose to believe in. They are man made also... Society in the end only controls you to live a bit longer...
You only really obey them out of a root of fear in your ego b/c you do not want to die, if you violate them, society will lock you up and thus end your life. This is not real either though, no more than what you think about religion. The ones living hedonistically and primal more power to them, if you think that life is pointless more power to you.
As for killing yourself, if all you ever can know is conciousness... your own... you would never know if you died over and over again... You would come to the EXACT same conclusion being born into this universe assuming you had "conciousness"
I agree that ethics and law are necessary, to prolong life, and have a better life on the planet, BUT if you do agree that it is pointless in your view of atheism, then all of your ethics should also be pointless and you should have absolutely not fear of death or any possible outcomes you have from violating these. If you are atheist and think you have a point to your life, you are delusional as well.
Most of the atheists here DO agree so far...whether you know it or not... it had 2 options, one yes was extreme, but made to make a point. The other is your real option in a godless world. Your ethics are just as delusional w/o god or purpose. If you are atheist I just don't believe how you are living in an ethical world based on right and wrong, good or bad, b/c they aren't there! You made them up to save your life, through millions of years of survival mechanism, just as you view religion as control mechanisms.

re: the underlined sentence: Why do you say this? We have evolved to a point where we understand right and wrong, have we not? Why do you assume that we are not still evolving? Who's to say that we aren't going to become more God-like?

[grapemaster]

re: the underlined sentence: Why do you say this? We have evolved to a point where we understand right and wrong, have we not? Why do you assume that we are not still evolving? Who's to say that we aren't going to become more God-like?

If anything it is more like memetics that we keep carrying from generation to generation... I don't think we evolved to understand right and wrong at all... I believe we act on fear and self survival as well as familial survival to our lineage and cling to life. I have no arguments that we could become more "god like" and actually start creating stuff... Our understanding of the universe is probably still pretty limited. Good post.

[Lager1]

grapemaster, in case you didn't know already, you got destroyed by this thread, and you demonstrated that you draw your morals from fear of punishment.

you are a disgusting human being and I am in awe of your stupidity, and I can't believe people like you actually exist.

[user89489489438943]

grapemaster, in case you didn't know already, you got destroyed by this thread, and you demonstrated that you draw your morals from fear of punishment.

you are a disgusting human being and I am in awe of your stupidity, and I can't believe people like you actually exist.

HAHA.

I like you.

Reps on recharge.

[grapemaster]

grapemaster, in case you didn't know already, you got destroyed by this thread, and you demonstrated that you draw your morals from fear of punishment.

you are a disgusting human being and I am in awe of your stupidity, and I can't believe people like you actually exist.

as do you... it is at your root. perhaps you just don't know it b/c you are too lost in the ego that has built up in you over the years. it is only fear of survival. to think otherwise is delusional. it is quite odd how emotional you get to defend your way of life when it is called out though, I totally understand though, your LIFE is on the line, essentially if your ethical system would prove to not exist. I am really just saying you guys should accept the reasoning behind it if you are going to think as an atheist and not thinking in a deluded purpose...If you can accept atheism, you should be able to accept your ethics are also man made ideas the same way you view religion as well and function as a part of your ego and your ingrained survival mechanism in your brain. Who is really stupid, me pointing this out, or all of you getting mad and negging. If you are so ethical shouldn't you try to help a fellow human.. pleaseee. You're just showing your animalistic nature right there.

[darkblood]

as do you... it is at your root. perhaps you just don't know it b/c you are too lost in the ego that has built up in you over the years. it is only fear of survival. to think otherwise is delusional. it is quite odd how emotional you get to defend your way of life when it is called out though, I totally understand though, your LIFE is on the line, essentially if your ethical system would prove to not exist. I am really just saying you guys should accept the reasoning behind it if you are going to think as an atheist and not thinking in a deluded purpose...If you can accept atheism, you should be able to accept your ethics are also man made ideas the same way you view religion as well and function as a part of your ego and your ingrained survival mechanism in your brain. Who is really stupid, me pointing this out, or all of you getting mad and negging. If you are so ethical shouldn't you try to help a fellow human.. pleaseee. You're just showing your animalistic nature right there.

So it appears you are not open for discussion, as you just keep trying to push your own warped view of what you think athiests are.

Even if you are an athiest you will never understand how other athiests think. Only the individual knows the reasons why they believe the things they believe.

[SDMuscleBuddy]

as do you... it is at your root. perhaps you just don't know it b/c you are too lost in the ego that has built up in you over the years. it is only fear of survival. to think otherwise is delusional. it is quite odd how emotional you get to defend your way of life when it is called out though, I totally understand though, your LIFE is on the line, essentially if your ethical system would prove to not exist. I am really just saying you guys should accept the reasoning behind it if you are going to think as an atheist and not thinking in a deluded purpose...If you can accept atheism, you should be able to accept your ethics are also man made ideas the same way you view religion as well and function as a part of your ego and your ingrained survival mechanism in your brain. Who is really stupid, me pointing this out, or all of you getting mad and negging. If you are so ethical shouldn't you try to help a fellow human.. pleaseee. You just showing your animalistic nature right there.

I will not accept your reasoning. I do not accept the notion that ethics are either man-made or an endowment of our creator, whatever that may be. I deny the false choice here. The concept of Karma, for example, does not (in some beliefs) rely on a supreme being, but knowing that good deeds will result in good things happening in return is sound reasoning behind human ethical behavior. This is the same reasoning that is the basis of the Biblical quote about casting bread upon the water.