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    Jordan's era had:

    - More physicality
    - Far superior front court teams
    - Actually called travelling violations
    - Hand checking and less soft fouls
    - The most stacked talent of any era

    Offensively Jordan prime then had a field day down low and from mid range. Jordan prime now would have a field day while raping a chicken, dog and cow simultaneously down low and from mid range.

    Defensively I'd argue he wouldn't be as effective.
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    LOL'd @ Kobe being the "2nd greatest of all time".

    Yes, Jordan would still dominate. Dude had ridiculous athleticism and an unbelieveable will to win.
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    best NBA player of the 2000's was Timmy D or Shaq

    easily the two best players of the 2000's. They have no equal.
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    That was cute OP
    Laughable.

    Nash, Paul, and Wade have no chance for top player of the decade over Kobe. And this is coming from one of the biggest Paul and Wade fans you'll find.

    KG can have some argument, but still no..Shaq and Duncan okay, easy, that's fine. LeBron is more of this decade now, though even though he did do amazing in previous decade. Dirk would also have an argument.
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    Originally Posted by aznboi92 View Post
    look at teh defenders that jordan had to go up against and the defenders kobe had to go up against and you'll see a big difference. Jordan would be a top 5 sg in todays era but by no means the undisputed great, not a single chance
    The NBA has become bigger/faster so MJ's great athleticism would be minimized a bit more nowadays

    Originally Posted by SDXRUNNER View Post
    MJ retired in 98.. came back in 2001-2002 season at an old and tired age of 38. He averaged 22.9 pts, 5 boards and 5.3 dimes in this so called "new era"

    I have no doubt in my mind he would dominate todays game. Especially with the ticky tack fouls... oh lawd... every time Jordan drives he would get calls all day.. ala d-whistle.
    NO doubt MJ would dominate but I would think he would not be as dominant as he was during his playing days in his era

    Originally Posted by aznboi92 View Post
    first of all age does not matter as much as mileage, at age 38 he did not drop off that much athleticism from the time he retired. At that point he was playing in his 14th or 15th season compare that to kobe who just played his 16th. Sure he had good stats but on pathetic shooting and playing on one of the worse teams in the league. Most of his defenders were kids that admired him since they were in grade school, you think they would go out and embarass him completely knowing that theyd probably win even if he had a great game? They had too much respect to shut him down completely so basically he was playing against practice intensity defense which is why he managed to get decent looking stats
    decent theory and also you have to consider that MJ played in the leastern conference
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    Originally Posted by samarrand View Post
    The NBA has become bigger/faster so MJ's great athleticism would be minimized a bit more nowadays
    NO doubt MJ would dominate but I would think he would not be as dominant as he was during his playing days in his era
    decent theory and also you have to consider that MJ played in the leastern conference

    put prime jordan in TODAY's training and diet and see what happens...

    obviously todays training >>>> past training
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    Originally Posted by jakobi View Post
    put prime jordan in TODAY's training and diet and see what happens...

    obviously todays training >>>> past training
    too many variables to consider but we can only say for certain that Kobe is teh GOAT
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    I know one thing is for sure. That Jordan would have 50 free throws per game by todays soft rules.
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    I don't think he'd dominate to the extent that he did back then, but he'd still be a dominant player.
    The league is definitely deeper and the competition tougher now because of the growth of the international game.

    Also lol @ that dude that said they actually called travelling back in the day.
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    Originally Posted by samarrand View Post
    The NBA has become bigger/faster so MJ's great athleticism would be minimized a bit more nowadays



    NO doubt MJ would dominate but I would think he would not be as dominant as he was during his playing days in his era



    decent theory and also you have to consider that MJ played in the leastern conference
    bigger? no
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    Originally Posted by GetBigyo View Post
    Laughable.

    Nash, Paul, and Wade have no chance for top player of the decade over Kobe. And this is coming from one of the biggest Paul and Wade fans you'll find.

    KG can have some argument, but still no..Shaq and Duncan okay, easy, that's fine. LeBron is more of this decade now, though even though he did do amazing in previous decade. Dirk would also have an argument.
    the thing about obe that really limits his legacy imo that he only has a few years where he was the best player in the nba. whereas guys like jordan had double digit years as hands down the best player in the nba. hell, lebron has already surpassed kobe in that aspect.
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    Originally Posted by broboma2012 View Post
    the thing about obe that really limits his legacy imo that he only has a few years where he was the best player in the nba. whereas guys like jordan had double digit years as hands down the best player in the nba. hell, lebron has already surpassed kobe in that aspect.
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    Jordan dominated in an era where the association lacked true superstars with great athletic ability.
    Kobe in his prime >>>>>>> Lebron in his prime

    The thing about Lebron is that his game revolves around others bailing him out. For example, when he charges/travels into the lane, the refs will blow the whistle or not call a foul if he charges. Now, when lebron is jammed in the paint, he kicks it off to Battier, Chalmers, and Mike Miller to win the championship.
    Kobe's skill level is far beyond what lebron has ahcieved after 9 years in the league. Just last year Lebron was the laughing stock of the nba after the terrible choke job. I concede that Lebron had a very good playoff run this year but to say he is on Kobe's all time level is really disrespectful and shortsided.
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    Originally Posted by samarrand View Post
    No
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    Jordan dominated in an era where the association lacked true superstars with great athletic ability.
    Kobe in his prime >>>>>>> Lebron in his prime

    The thing about Lebron is that his game evolves around others bailing him out. For example, when he charges/travels into the lane, the refs will blow the whistle or not call a foul if he charges. Now, when lebron is jammed in the paint, he kicks it off to Battier, Chalmers, and Mike Miller to win the championship.
    Kobe's skill level is far beyond what lebron has ahcieved after 9 years in the league. Just last year Lebron was the laughing stock of the nba after the terrible choke job. I concede that Lebron had a very good playoff run this year but to say he is on Kobe's all time level is really disrespectful and shortsided.
    You're such a dumbass.

    There were plenty of athletic players such as Dominque Wilkins, but because of the though defense and centers, it was very hard to get to the basket. Have you ever even watched one 90s game?
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    Originally Posted by samarrand View Post
    no
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    jordan dominated in an era where the association lacked true superstars with great athletic ability.
    Kobe in his prime >>>>>>> lebron in his prime

    the thing about lebron is that his game revolves around others bailing him out. For example, when he charges/travels into the lane, the refs will blow the whistle or not call a foul if he charges. Now, when lebron is jammed in the paint, he kicks it off to battier, chalmers, and mike miller to win the championship.
    Kobe's skill level is far beyond what lebron has ahcieved after 9 years in the league. Just last year lebron was the laughing stock of the nba after the terrible choke job. I concede that lebron had a very good playoff run this year but to say he is on kobe's all time level is really disrespectful and shortsided.
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    Originally Posted by rusvik View Post
    You're such a dumbass.

    There were plenty of athletic players such as Dominque Wilkins, but because of the though defense and centers, it was very hard to get to the basket. Have you ever even watched one 90s game?
    urine idiot. back. Brb no zone defense.

    all your opinion are invalid since you created that retarded rugby thready claiming its a better sport than football. LOl @ rugby = zzzzz
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    Originally Posted by broboma2012 View Post
    breaking news on the sports misc: Kobe bryant is responsible for the invention of athleticism!
    how about no. Take this into consideration:

    top 10 greats, how many played during Jordan's dominant era? Maybe 1 and that one played in the western conference.
    Now, during Kobe era, Bryant had to compete against at least 3 top 10 greats.
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    Originally Posted by AnimalNation View Post
    Jordan's era had:

    - More physicality
    - Far superior front court teams
    - Actually called travelling violations
    - Hand checking and less soft fouls
    - The most stacked talent of any era

    Offensively Jordan prime then had a field day down low and from mid range. Jordan prime now would have a field day while raping a chicken, dog and cow simultaneously down low and from mid range.

    Defensively I'd argue he wouldn't be as effective.
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    Originally Posted by samarrand View Post
    how about no. Take this into consideration:

    top 10 greats, how many played during Jordan's dominant era? Maybe 1 and that one played in the western conference.
    Now, during Kobe era, Bryant had to compete against at least 3 top 10 greats.
    with one of them on his team, winning him championships... not sure how this works in your favor. jordan competed against, bird, magic, shaq, hakeem. not to mention Isaiah, kemp, malone, stockton, robinson, ewing, barkley, and many others.

    imo a man who lost with a dream team squad of prime shaq, gary payton (older but still very good),and malone (again, older but still very effective) has no place in the goat discussion. he is around the #6-8 spot; i believe that is fair for him.
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    Originally Posted by samarrand View Post
    how about no. Take this into consideration:

    top 10 greats, how many played during Jordan's dominant era? Maybe 1 and that one played in the western conference.
    Now, during Kobe era, Bryant had to compete against at least 3 top 10 greats.
    Bryant never competed against 3 top 10 greats who the hell are you talking about right now. If you're going to include his whole career btw then Jordan gets to add Magic and Bird into his "players he dominated" along with Kobe shaq etc etc

    Because they were ALl IN THE LEAGUE. Same w Hakeem Barkley Ewing Robinson Duncan Stockton, the entire dream team Isaiah, the list goes ON AND ON AND ON AND ON



    You need to stop posting this garbage.
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    the fact is that kobe can not be the goat due the fact that he has had very few years even being the greatest current player, and had several years where he wasn't even the best on his team. kobe has lead the league more is usage % than he has in scoring avg. i'm giving kobe the benefit of the doubt as well by saying there are only a few year where he was the best player in the nba, as literally every single year you could make an argument that another player was better.

    not a single year even as #2 in per. #18 all time. kobe scored less than jordan and turned the ball over more.this is goat? i don't even care to make more of an argument as anyone who takes two seconds to look into each player can see who was better.
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    Originally Posted by broboma2012 View Post
    the fact is that kobe can not be the goat due the fact that he has had very few years even being the greatest current player, and had several years where he wasn't even the best on his team. kobe has lead the league more is usage % than he has in scoring avg.
    Few?

    Try any. He has NEVER been the undisputed best player in the league. Ever.

    You literally cannot find a year in his career where someone else wasn't just as good, if not MULTIPLE people.


    The greatest irony of his career is that people call him the GOAT based on always being RELEVANT. That's like winning the GOLD MEDAL for most BRONZE MEDALS
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    Bryant never competed against 3 top 10 greats who the hell are you talking about right now. If you're going to include his whole career btw then Jordan gets to add Magic and Bird into his "players he dominated" along with Kobe shaq etc etc

    Because they were ALl IN THE LEAGUE. Same w Hakeem Barkley Ewing Robinson Duncan Stockton, the entire dream team Isaiah, the list goes ON AND ON AND ON AND ON



    You need to stop posting this garbage.
    no wonder you're known as the village idiot.

    Ewing, Stockton, Barkley, Isaiah are not top 10 players. No Jordan does NOT get to add broke back Bird nor Magic retired of aids Johnson because those players were long gone when Michael Gambling Jordan dominated.
    Kobe faced top 10 greats in Shaq, Duncan, etc.
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    Originally Posted by sdballer5588 View Post
    Few?

    Try any. He has NEVER been the undisputed best player in the league. Ever.

    You literally cannot find a year in his career where someone else wasn't just as good, if not MULTIPLE people.


    The greatest irony of his career is that people call him the GOAT based on always being RELEVANT. That's like winning the GOLD MEDAL for most BRONZE MEDALS
    i agree, i was just giving him and his fans the benefit of the doubt. kobe's biggest asset to his career is his longevity. His peak, however, is not near others in the goat discussion. top ten? sure. top 5? pushing it. top 3? sorry, he has no place here.
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    Kobe faced top 10 greats in Shaq
    yea well, jordan had to face one of the best perimeter defenders of all time, scottie pippen.
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    Jordan has no trouble dominating today's league

    The rules are now blatantly fixed to give offensive players the advantage ... especially wing players in order to make more MJ type players ... and MJ dominated his era where the rules didn't favor offensive wing players like they do now ... in fact he was more dominant in his era than Kobe, LBJ, and Wade are in this era ...
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    Originally Posted by broboma2012 View Post
    i agree, i was just giving him and his fans the benefit of the doubt. kobe's biggest asset to his career is his longevity. His peak, however, is not near others in the goat discussion. top ten? sure. top 5? pushing it. top 3? sorry, he has no place here.
    Kobe dominated in an era when zone defense was implemented. Like Michael Jordan stated, Kobe is the only player worthy of being mentioned in GOAT debate along with MJ.
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    Originally Posted by samarrand View Post
    no wonder you're known as the village idiot.

    Ewing, Stockton, Barkley, Isaiah are not top 10 players. No Jordan does NOT get to add broke back Bird nor Magic retired of aids Johnson because those players were long gone when Michael Gambling Jordan dominated.
    Kobe faced top 10 greats in Shaq, Duncan, etc.
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    Originally Posted by samarrand View Post
    Kobe dominated in an era when zone defense was implemented. Like Michael Jordan stated, Kobe is the only player worthy of being mentioned in GOAT debate along with MJ.
    jordan never said he belonged in goat discussion. he said he was the most similar player to himself in his style of play. he said recently that kobe is hardly even in the top 5 for his position all time. not that jordan's opinion in the matter is relevant anyway as he has a major conflict of interest.

    also, it has been established that kobe has never 'dominated'. you cannot 'dominate' when there was no time where you were the hands down best payer in the nba.

    i guess have more times finishing first in the league in usage % than scoring avg. is being dominant now.
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    Originally Posted by PeakTimez View Post
    To some it may be a stupid question. But think about it times have changed and the nba has advanced and is alot more competitive now. Theres no denying jordan is the goat and i'm not saying he had it easy when he played but i'm just wondering if you think he would still be considered in such high regards as he is now. Lets be honest he is the goat by unanimous decision (with kobe second ofc). Would he be as dominant today or would players such as lebron kobe give him trouble to earn the prestigious GOAT title

    This is assuming jordan in his prime. Kobe has been named the best player of the last decade, would jordan steal this title?
    yes, jordan >>>>>>kobe
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