Jordan's era had:
- More physicality
- Far superior front court teams
- Actually called travelling violations
- Hand checking and less soft fouls
- The most stacked talent of any era
Offensively Jordan prime then had a field day down low and from mid range. Jordan prime now would have a field day while raping a chicken, dog and cow simultaneously down low and from mid range.
Defensively I'd argue he wouldn't be as effective.
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08-26-2012, 04:18 AM #31
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08-26-2012, 04:25 AM #32
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08-26-2012, 05:06 AM #33
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08-26-2012, 05:54 AM #34
Laughable.
Nash, Paul, and Wade have no chance for top player of the decade over Kobe. And this is coming from one of the biggest Paul and Wade fans you'll find.
KG can have some argument, but still no..Shaq and Duncan okay, easy, that's fine. LeBron is more of this decade now, though even though he did do amazing in previous decade. Dirk would also have an argument.☆☆☆MISC BOXING CREW☆☆☆
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08-26-2012, 08:39 AM #35
The NBA has become bigger/faster so MJ's great athleticism would be minimized a bit more nowadays
NO doubt MJ would dominate but I would think he would not be as dominant as he was during his playing days in his era
decent theory and also you have to consider that MJ played in the leastern conference
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08-26-2012, 08:51 AM #36
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08-26-2012, 10:17 AM #40
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08-26-2012, 10:19 AM #41
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08-26-2012, 10:49 AM #42
No
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Jordan dominated in an era where the association lacked true superstars with great athletic ability.
Kobe in his prime >>>>>>> Lebron in his prime
The thing about Lebron is that his game revolves around others bailing him out. For example, when he charges/travels into the lane, the refs will blow the whistle or not call a foul if he charges. Now, when lebron is jammed in the paint, he kicks it off to Battier, Chalmers, and Mike Miller to win the championship.
Kobe's skill level is far beyond what lebron has ahcieved after 9 years in the league. Just last year Lebron was the laughing stock of the nba after the terrible choke job. I concede that Lebron had a very good playoff run this year but to say he is on Kobe's all time level is really disrespectful and shortsided.
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08-26-2012, 10:51 AM #43
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08-26-2012, 11:06 AM #44
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08-26-2012, 11:22 AM #47
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08-26-2012, 11:23 AM #48
with one of them on his team, winning him championships... not sure how this works in your favor. jordan competed against, bird, magic, shaq, hakeem. not to mention Isaiah, kemp, malone, stockton, robinson, ewing, barkley, and many others.
imo a man who lost with a dream team squad of prime shaq, gary payton (older but still very good),and malone (again, older but still very effective) has no place in the goat discussion. he is around the #6-8 spot; i believe that is fair for him.white sox
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08-26-2012, 11:29 AM #49
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Bryant never competed against 3 top 10 greats who the hell are you talking about right now. If you're going to include his whole career btw then Jordan gets to add Magic and Bird into his "players he dominated" along with Kobe shaq etc etc
Because they were ALl IN THE LEAGUE. Same w Hakeem Barkley Ewing Robinson Duncan Stockton, the entire dream team Isaiah, the list goes ON AND ON AND ON AND ON
You need to stop posting this garbage.
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08-26-2012, 11:42 AM #50
the fact is that kobe can not be the goat due the fact that he has had very few years even being the greatest current player, and had several years where he wasn't even the best on his team. kobe has lead the league more is usage % than he has in scoring avg. i'm giving kobe the benefit of the doubt as well by saying there are only a few year where he was the best player in the nba, as literally every single year you could make an argument that another player was better.
not a single year even as #2 in per. #18 all time. kobe scored less than jordan and turned the ball over more.this is goat? i don't even care to make more of an argument as anyone who takes two seconds to look into each player can see who was better.Last edited by broboma2012; 08-26-2012 at 11:48 AM.
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08-26-2012, 11:43 AM #51
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Few?
Try any. He has NEVER been the undisputed best player in the league. Ever.
You literally cannot find a year in his career where someone else wasn't just as good, if not MULTIPLE people.
The greatest irony of his career is that people call him the GOAT based on always being RELEVANT. That's like winning the GOLD MEDAL for most BRONZE MEDALS
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08-26-2012, 12:14 PM #52
no wonder you're known as the village idiot.
Ewing, Stockton, Barkley, Isaiah are not top 10 players. No Jordan does NOT get to add broke back Bird nor Magic retired of aids Johnson because those players were long gone when Michael Gambling Jordan dominated.
Kobe faced top 10 greats in Shaq, Duncan, etc.
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08-26-2012, 12:19 PM #53
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08-26-2012, 12:25 PM #54
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08-26-2012, 12:37 PM #56
Jordan has no trouble dominating today's league
The rules are now blatantly fixed to give offensive players the advantage ... especially wing players in order to make more MJ type players ... and MJ dominated his era where the rules didn't favor offensive wing players like they do now ... in fact he was more dominant in his era than Kobe, LBJ, and Wade are in this era ...
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08-26-2012, 12:50 PM #57
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08-26-2012, 01:34 PM #59
jordan never said he belonged in goat discussion. he said he was the most similar player to himself in his style of play. he said recently that kobe is hardly even in the top 5 for his position all time. not that jordan's opinion in the matter is relevant anyway as he has a major conflict of interest.
also, it has been established that kobe has never 'dominated'. you cannot 'dominate' when there was no time where you were the hands down best payer in the nba.
i guess have more times finishing first in the league in usage % than scoring avg. is being dominant now.white sox
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08-26-2012, 01:53 PM #60
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