Personal Opinion on O.T.

[firestorm98]

I've been taking 3/day for awhile along with 2 oximega fish oil and 2k IU of D3.

wow exactly the same for me right on.

[or_yourlivingtodie]

read the rest of my post, I said there are no published studies, you are correct in that.

well until theres some published studies on this, consider it broscience

[gachase21]

I've heard that 1-1.2 grams of calcium is a good amount of calcium to have as a daily value.

its just the amount going into the blood stream at one time that is the problem. Again, no published studies, and I could very well be wrong, Personally i'm waiting till the come out and eating food till then.

just some more fyi links
http://www.webmd.com/heart/news/2010...rt-attack-risk

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0729191154.htm

[Bring_The_Pain]

read the rest of my post, I said there are no published studies, you are correct in that.

Then don't post what you did as if it were true without anything to back it up.

[or_yourlivingtodie]

Then don't post what you did as if it were true without anything to back it up.

like i said, throw it in the broscience pile for now

[gachase21]

Just to play devil's advocate here. "studies that tracked nearly 12,000 elderly people"

I wouldnt want them deadlifting either. There might be a rise in fractures

You are correct, I have allot of respect for controlled labs and their products. Any when any studies actually do get released, I'm sure they will be on the forefront of making a better time release supplement. Until then they have no reason to change. Maybe they could consider getting ahead of the game now and making one????

well until theres some published studies on this, consider it broscience

Fair enough- no studies published, I'm still sticking to food, Just cause I'm getting older and scared

[FearTheSpur89]

When extremely high levels of calcium are in the blood, a condition called hypercalcemia may develop and weaken kidney function. However, the National Institute of Health says hypercalcemia is rarely caused by taking calcium supplements. It is usually associated with advanced cases of cancer or massive doses of vitamin D and hyperparathydroidism.

Read more: What Are the Dangers of Too Much Calcium? | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_5368643_da...#ixzz1HUGeMHZb

Seems to me it just shows a problem that is already there...Too much of anything can be a bad thing but. I think personally Orange Triad is perfect for me since I don't like milk and am not a fan of many cheezes.

[or_yourlivingtodie]

When extremely high levels of calcium are in the blood, a condition called hypercalcemia may develop and weaken kidney function. However, the National Institute of Health says hypercalcemia is rarely caused by taking calcium supplements. It is usually associated with advanced cases of cancer or massive doses of vitamin D and hyperparathydroidism.

Read more: What Are the Dangers of Too Much Calcium? | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_5368643_da...#ixzz1HUGeMHZb

Seems to me it just shows a problem that is already there...Too much of anything can be a bad thing but. I think personally Orange Triad is perfect for me since I don't like milk and am not a fan of many cheezes.

hypercalcemia would require a LOT more than the 250mg in OT, or thats in any multi for that matter...............so theres no reason for anyone to be worried

[CONTROLLED LABS]

hypercalcemia would require a LOT more than the 250mg in OT, or thats in any multi for that matter...............so theres no reason for anyone to be worried

its 250mg, divided into 3 slow release doses. so its really 83 mg

[Farley1324]

When extremely high levels of calcium are in the blood, a condition called hypercalcemia may develop and weaken kidney function. However, the National Institute of Health says hypercalcemia is rarely caused by taking calcium supplements. It is usually associated with advanced cases of cancer or massive doses of vitamin D and hyperparathydroidism.

Read more: What Are the Dangers of Too Much Calcium? | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_5368643_da...#ixzz1HUGeMHZb

Seems to me it just shows a problem that is already there...Too much of anything can be a bad thing but. I think personally Orange Triad is perfect for me since I don't like milk and am not a fan of many cheezes.

Quantify "extremely high levels". But as you mention, "rarely caused by taking calcium supplements."

And I'm willing to bet the straight up calcium supps have quite a bit more than what is included in OT

[or_yourlivingtodie]

Quantify "extremely high levels". But as you mention, "rarely caused by taking calcium supplements."

And I'm willing to bet the straight up calcium supps have quite a bit more than what is included in OT

normal calcium ranges should be 8.4-10.6mg/dL

[gachase21]

its 250mg, divided into 3 slow release doses. so its really 83 mg

good point, compared to 500mg in tums, and 550 mg in rolaids.

[patgolf]

When extremely high levels of calcium are in the blood, a condition called hypercalcemia may develop and weaken kidney function. However, the National Institute of Health says hypercalcemia is rarely caused by taking calcium supplements. It is usually associated with advanced cases of cancer or massive doses of vitamin D and hyperparathydroidism.

Seems to me it just shows a problem that is already there...Too much of anything can be a bad thing but. I think personally Orange Triad is perfect for me since I don't like milk and am not a fan of many cheezes.

cheeZes ....but anyways too much calcium is too much calcium. I dont care where you get it but obviously there isnt anything to worry about with this supp. Maybe if he takes this and drinks 2 gallons of milk there might be a problem.

[FearTheSpur89]

cheeZes ....but anyways too much calcium is too much calcium. I dont care where you get it but obviously there isnt anything to worry about with this supp. Maybe if he takes this and drinks 2 gallons of milk there might be a problem.

I wonder if newborns get too much calcium from there moms tits...I mean it is basically there whole diet right?

[gargamelesp]

while we are on the subject of dosing for vitamins, id like to ask if body weight matters in the dosing. for macronutrients, its known that the bigger you are, the more you generally have to eat

what about vitamins? would a 100lb woman need the same amount as a 200lb man? all other factors being equal such as activity level and diet etc..

[FearTheSpur89]

while we are on the subject of dosing for vitamins, id like to ask if body weight matters in the dosing. for macronutrients, its known that the bigger you are, the more you generally have to eat

what about vitamins? would a 100lb woman need the same amount as a 200lb man? all other factors being equal such as activity level and diet etc..

I was under the impression that O.T was made for serious athletes....I doubt a 100 lb woman is a serious weightlifter or athlete.

[powercage]

while we are on the subject of dosing for vitamins, id like to ask if body weight matters in the dosing. for macronutrients, its known that the bigger you are, the more you generally have to eat

what about vitamins? would a 100lb woman need the same amount as a 200lb man? all other factors being equal such as activity level and diet etc..

Most likely yes. But in all honesty, there is enough in a multi (if it uses proper forms) to cover most body weights supplemental needs. Food should be the vast majority of your nutrients anyway

The stuff you dont use you will pee out.

[RugbyTank]

wow thanks guys,
As i keep reading on my thoughts on not taking full dosage is wavering.

I have it coming in the mail and will probably take 6 only because you all say so

[Handcannon7]

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2010/0...-heart-attack/

There are 3 studies currently in process now that I know of, one of which is set to conclude around April of next year, the finding will be released around July next year. You are correct and that there are no complete published studies yet. It was origaly found on a data mining study on the long term effects of heartburn, as related to Atherosclerosis(harding of arteries) in men over 40. As research found a high percentage relationship. It was in that they discovered the common use of calcium supplements(as a antacid). In further data search , they look at supplement use of calcium in a unrelated use- osteoporosis for women. The preliminary finding showed a relationship between fast acting calcium supplements having an effect on the creation of plaque in arteries. To make things worse, the men were using it at a time their bloodstream contained high amounts of fat and cholesterol, combining with the quick release of calcium, the calcium helped the construction of the plaque. The data still wasn't conclusive enough, So several studies are being completed with some biochemist groups, 2 universities, that i know of. They all agree that calcium is a necessary nutrient. As you could imagine, they will not release the finding until they have very conclusive data, and all research is complete, as many company's will be affected . I can tell you I know of a little inside info about one of the studies, and so far the evidence is overwhelming. The conclusion is likely to end up with a recommendation of a controlled slow release supplement where diet cannot provide enough. None of the current supplements on the market today are slow release enough to be adequate. Either way, if you are young and looking to bulk up, its not going to kill you know, but id personally wait to find out for sure, especially if you have a family history of plaque build up in arteries( I do, father and gradfather had aorta aneurysms in their 50's till then, there is plenty of food you can get enough from

Yes too much, 250mg calcium in a supplement= triple bypass at 55. Calcium is a critical nutrient you need, but you need to get it from whole foods, the other vitamins are ok to supplement

This guy being serious? Yeah I'm real sure the minuscule dose of CALCIUM will cause 3 of the valves in your heart to fail, you really must be trolling with this?
But OH WAIT, link a Fox 5 report as proof. How could you possibly trust Fox 5 news for even the weather, let alone a scientific study?
Not to mention they are studying individuals who do not live active lives, and are elderly, and most of them probably have pre-existing heart problems.

Again, no way you are being serious here you are delusional.
This is how myths are created in the Nutrition and lifting world, misinformation by people preaching something they don't understand.

[or_yourlivingtodie]

This guy being serious? Yeah I'm real sure the minuscule dose of CALCIUM will cause 3 of the valves in your heart to fail, you really must be trolling with this?
But OH WAIT, link a Fox 5 report as proof. How could you possibly trust Fox 5 news for even the weather, let alone a scientific study?
Not to mention they are studying individuals who do not live active lives, and are elderly, and most of them probably have pre-existing heart problems.

Again, no way you are being serious here you are delusional.
This is how myths are created in the Nutrition and lifting world, misinformation by people preaching something they don't understand.

this is becoming a big problem on these forums lately, way too much spreading of false information without a shred of real evidence to back it up

[gachase21]

This guy being serious? Yeah I'm real sure the minuscule dose of CALCIUM will cause 3 of the valves in your heart to fail, you really must be trolling with this?
But OH WAIT, link a Fox 5 report as proof. How could you possibly trust Fox 5 news for even the weather, let alone a scientific study?
Not to mention they are studying individuals who do not live active lives, and are elderly, and most of them probably have pre-existing heart problems.

Again, no way you are being serious here you are delusional.
This is how myths are created in the Nutrition and lifting world, misinformation by people preaching something they don't understand.

First off, The study is based on long term effects of calcium usage, the impact is not realized until you are older, it doesn't create a problem in just a few years of use. There are currently more studies in progress, some of which are using a variety of age groups. I don't normally post this about calcium whenever i see a supplement posting on here, however the original poster was concerned about over supplementation, which in this case he could have a valid concern. I'll admit, it was a bit reckless of me to originally post the problems without further explaining. And no i'm not trusting "fox 5" for the info, I happen to know someone associated with one of the studies and have read quite a bit more about it, That was just the first article that popped up when I searched for a link to put on the post. Watching people I know Die young over and over from blocked arteries I'm very serious. I remember watching my father pop antacids like it was candy daily, clogged arteries at 50, dead at 56. Maybe not the reason, however some evidence is now showing it could be related, so I'm being cautious just in case, and eating food. I'm 50 in just 13 year, which if you look at my before after, I was on the road to early death also. That is the reason I decided to change my life, eating habits, etc. Along with taking precautions about what I eat, I've lowered my Cholesterol, I have no blood pressure Issues, and I try to put nothing that may be long term dangerous in my body. I started to make some mistakes with supplements earlier this year, until I realized I better research everything before I eat it. And fyi, it wouldn't cause heart valves to fail as you said, it would clog the arteries going to them. Again, It was reckless of me to originally post that without further explication, for that I apologizes.

FYI calcium rich food= Salmon, spinach, collard greens, almonds, sprouts, broccoli, baked beans, white beans, okra, and of coarse the dairy products