Gifted Nutrition destroyed on Iron radio

[RockyTheKid]

He's trying to sell nutrition not his personal life story. Nutrition that has fukc all to do with those medals. Discrepancy is relevant.

What the heck did you just say?

[unique1]

Yeh I edited like one to get my point across.

You get the idea though.

Stop posting idiotic things.

I never said that Phil didn't deserve his Olympia wins..... I don't care for Phil, and prefer Kai's physique. But, Phil did deserve to beat Kai in both 2012 and 2013. Not because he's a better bodybuilder, it's because Kai failed to nail his conditioning on pay day. Even in 2012, Kai sacrificed too much muscle and flattened out. 2013 he held too much water. Phil beat him both times, fair and square.

But I will say that Kai looks better than Phil 364 days a year, but seemingly never on the day it counts. I believe he gets stressed out, and his cortisol levels go up. That's the kiss of death for a bodybuilder. Phil doesn't seem to get as stressed out??? Maybe he's just more confident??? Your childhood can play a huge role is this stuff, cause it's rooted in your subconscious. I'm sure Phil had a more stable childhood than Kai.

[x-trainer ben]

Starts about 50mins. Gifted fart powder.

http://www.ironradio.org/Audio/272Ir...s_Steroids.mp3

The nutrition and oids talk was pretty informative

[Unbiasedfan]

I never said that Phil didn't deserve his Olympia wins..... I don't care for Phil, and prefer Kai's physique. But, Phil did deserve to beat Kai in both 2012 and 2013. Not because he's a better bodybuilder, it's because Kai failed to nail his conditioning on pay day. Even in 2012, Kai sacrificed too much muscle and flattened out. 2013 he held too much water. Phil beat him both times, fair and square.

But I will say that Kai looks better than Phil 364 days a year, but seemingly never on the day it counts. I believe he gets stressed out, and his cortisol levels go up. That's the kiss of death for a bodybuilder. Phil doesn't seem to get as stressed out??? Maybe he's just more confident??? Your childhood can play a huge role is this stuff, cause it's rooted in your subconscious. I'm sure Phil had a more stable childhood than Kai.

For all you know phil looks better than kai at 3 weeks out...

[Canuck77]

I never said that Phil didn't deserve his Olympia wins..... I don't care for Phil, and prefer Kai's physique. But, Phil did deserve to beat Kai in both 2012 and 2013. Not because he's a better bodybuilder, it's because Kai failed to nail his conditioning on pay day. Even in 2012, Kai sacrificed too much muscle and flattened out. 2013 he held too much water. Phil beat him both times, fair and square.

But I will say that Kai looks better than Phil 364 days a year, but seemingly never on the day it counts. I believe he gets stressed out, and his cortisol levels go up. That's the kiss of death for a bodybuilder. Phil doesn't seem to get as stressed out??? Maybe he's just more confident??? Your childhood can play a huge role is this stuff, cause it's rooted in your subconscious. I'm sure Phil had a more stable childhood than Kai.

Hmmm...I always thought Kai was the more calm, centered, composed bb. I also thought he said he was into zazen (the study of the self), which is the form of meditation at the heart of zen practice/meditation.

Kai just seems like someone who would be able to keep his emotions in check come game day but I could be wrong. Of course there is immense pressure on both Phil and Kai, just as there was on Ronnie and Jay during their countless battles.

[x-trainer ben]

I ment why is it so hard for these pro supplement lines that are coming out to be actual good to go supps? Something thats considered top tier. When i think of all these new pro linea im thinking equivalent to gnc/vitamin shoppe bullsht. Bare minimum crappy product.

I guess the science to pioneer good supplements is expensive and all these pros just want to put up a quick line with fancy labels and use their popularity to sell.

Maybe like in many industries the science and innovation is just not there, so you remake the old stand by's with new flavoring. I don't know how many threads i have read where flavor is #1 criteria to the prospective buyer. As for the radio show, I listened to the entire show and found the last part tiring ( a crochety old guy whining about the current trends) in an overcrowded supp market. He used the line fart powder numerous times to disparage protein.?
They said all a kid needs is steak and eggs and slammed Phil and test boosters. The best part of the hour was the science of oids.

[Big Slim DaDDy]

I guess the science to pioneer good supplements is expensive and all these pros just want to put up a quick line with fancy labels and use their popularity to sell.

It's all powdered food and caffeine.

[Nuki]

Funny .... Phil was 3X Mr. Olympia before he started using the "Gifted" supplement line... Now that he using it, he will also lose the Mr. Olympia title... watch and see that I'm right.

You know I agree that the chances of him losing the title have increased dramatically now. Do we know who the company is behind his line though? If he really broke his deal with the Weiders I can totally see them punishing him by "gifting" the Olympia to someone else. Sure as hell that wouldn't be Kai though, regardless of how amazing he looks. If Flex Lewis competed in the open they might give it to him.

[bartosh]

You know I agree that the chances of him losing the title have increased dramatically now. Do we know who the company is behind his line though? If he really broke his deal with the Weiders I can totally see them punishing him by "gifting" the Olympia to someone else. Sure as hell that wouldn't be Kai though, regardless of how amazing he looks. If Flex Lewis competed in the open they might give it to him.

I'm the biggest flex fanboy on this board buy he'd be around 6th realistically(others gere would say 10th or so. I stick to 5-7)

[RockyTheKid]

I'm so glad I've stuck with Optimum Nutrition's Gold Standard Whey for the longest time. If it ain't broke, why fix it?

[unique1]

You know I agree that the chances of him losing the title have increased dramatically now. Do we know who the company is behind his line though? If he really broke his deal with the Weiders I can totally see them punishing him by "gifting" the Olympia to someone else. Sure as hell that wouldn't be Kai though, regardless of how amazing he looks. If Flex Lewis competed in the open they might give it to him.

This subject right here is the sad truth about bodybuilding. The last two sentences sums up what professional bodybuilding is all about. Never forget that bodybuilding is a subjective, not objective sport.

[ncballa1011]

Saw a few comments hating on some of the Pros supp lines and to be honest I think Jays line is pretty good actually. Heaths is horrific and Ronnie's is decent. Just my .02

[203mh]

Saw a few comments hating on some of the Pros supp lines and to be honest I think Jays line is pretty good actually. Heaths is horrific and Ronnie's is decent. Just my .02

You tried them all? Damn

[BartPimpson]

You tried them all? Damn

If the ads are accurate, he's now going to look like Jay, Phil, and Ronnie COMBINED.

[ncballa1011]

You tried them all? Damn

Of course I haven't tried them all but I know how to read the back of labels

[SammyJr]

i think rcss is good. not sure about jay and doubt phil

[stealth_swimmer]

and how many new kids of let say 13/14yo will join a gym around the world,pic a magazine and see PHIL HEATH is using a new product...and they are going to buy a new protein powder...it is not that they are going to spend thousands of bucks on it,but do the math,millions of kids around the world and only if they buy 1 can of protein powder from Phil Heath it will be a great plus for his company!

This. I really don't see the problem. I don't see it as "preying" on teens whatsoever. Most standard supplements are the same or very similar anyways. You'd have to be stupid to think it's gonna give you all your gains.


His preworkout is basically caffeine with BCAA's....in other words, it's a pretty solid product, whether you wanna admit it or not. Would I pay the full retail price? Nope, but that doesn't mean it's snake-oil or that it sucks.

[bartosh]

I'm just curiois if he uses his products, knowing he can use better supps from other companies

[tng83]

Ok Ill admit it. I bought a tub of Anator P70. Jay was on the label.

[tng83]

I never said that Phil didn't deserve his Olympia wins..... I don't care for Phil, and prefer Kai's physique. But, Phil did deserve to beat Kai in both 2012 and 2013. Not because he's a better bodybuilder, it's because Kai failed to nail his conditioning on pay day. Even in 2012, Kai sacrificed too much muscle and flattened out. 2013 he held too much water. Phil beat him both times, fair and square.

But I will say that Kai looks better than Phil 364 days a year, but seemingly never on the day it counts. I believe he gets stressed out, and his cortisol levels go up. That's the kiss of death for a bodybuilder. Phil doesn't seem to get as stressed out??? Maybe he's just more confident??? Your childhood can play a huge role is this stuff, cause it's rooted in your subconscious. I'm sure Phil had a more stable childhood than Kai.

Stromg Kai crybaby apologetics. Phil has better genetics. Deal with it.

[Deano87]

I'm just curiois if he uses his products, knowing he can use better supps from other companies

offcourse he does, all pro's use their products.

[RoroCwalker]

Stromg Kai crybaby apologetics. Phil has better genetics. Deal with it.

Arguably, depending on your criteria for whatever qualifies as "best genetics".

[bartosh]

offcourse he does, all pro's use their products.

Really? I was under the impression that behind closed doors they'd either use the best they know of or nothing. Interesting

[Deano87]

Really? I was under the impression that behind closed doors they'd either use the best they know of or nothing. Interesting

Definitely not.
I remember seeing a video of Phil's basement stacked with Celltech and other products. Im sure its all been cleared out now for Gifted stuff.
The same way Kai's kitchen has always got some Musclemeds Secret Sauce lying around.

I also provide this pic as proof:
Musclemeds released this as a before and after using their Carnivor products

[zrage]

In the video the tub says gifted nutrition.. But we all know what the powder inside is.. ON


I think the only Pro named supplement line that isnt synonymous with bullsht is Gaspari.

[spamy]

Stromg Kai crybaby apologetics. Phil has better genetics. Deal with it.

[Canuck77]

Definitely not.
I remember seeing a video of Phil's basement stacked with Celltech and other products. Im sure its all been cleared out now for Gifted stuff.
The same way Kai's kitchen has always got some Musclemeds Secret Sauce lying around.

I also provide this pic as proof:
Musclemeds released this as a before and after using their Carnivor products

And that was in just 12 weeks!

[bartosh]

In the video the tub says gifted nutrition.. But we all know what the powder inside is.. ON


I think the only Pro named supplement line that isnt synonymous with bullsht is Gaspari.

Oh boy you're in for a surprise. Gaspari completely fell out of favor in the supp section. Sonebody did third party testing ages ago and gaspari completely failed on the protein listed. Either 50% or 17% as much as listed iirc

Once they were always recommended in the "recommend me the best protein powder" threads that are made daily. Now people will laugh at you and ask if you're joking if you do

[T3mpest]

Arguably, depending on your criteria for whatever qualifies as "best genetics".

Hate to open this can of worms lol. However, I do feel like mentioning that for all Heath's gifts and his metoric rise to the top, Kai did it even faster. Phil blew through the competition as a pro, but when Phil was just hitting his stride and winning shows, Kai was still getting 16th at the same show (colorado pro in 07 IIRC) and they were competiting on even ground a short time later, in the 09 area, where Kai had some wins over Phils and if they both peak right, they are close now as well. Kai has the better bone structure and some better body parts. Phil has more consistent conditioning which I imagine has some genetic elements and better muscle shape overall. They both blew up like crazy when they "needed" to, both have good shape and detail, genetically they are def close enough to be rivals.

[stealth_swimmer]

I'm just curiois if he uses his products, knowing he can use better supps from other companies

Why wouldn't they? They might not use all of them, but they have their favorites, I'm sure. Keep in mind, sponsored athletes get their supplements for FREE.