Lyle Mcdonald and Rippetoe go to war (ya rly)

[magog704]

I added roughly about a pound of lbm per week during about a 6 week bulk (25lb total). I certainly wouldn't call 2.84 lb per week "impossible". Especially considering I had been lifting for a while and this guy looks like a n00b in teh before pix.

I miss the eating but the bloat was fukkin disgusting.

[Amsterdammerr]

Mwhahaha omg this dude is as scrawny as ****.

brb reaching your goals in less time.

Ah yes, the butthurt obese powerlifting ******* who shows up in every thread that has anything to do with strength, YET still hasnt post a pic of himself.
Dont bother to reply btw, I wont reply back after this one

brb, not working out at all but still insulting people who are bigger and stronger than me on the internet.

Brb being 10x more hamson then that obese ugly fuker, pulling in poon he could only dream about, and looking 10 times better bodywise before my shoulder injury

[Suit]

ah yes, the butthurt obese powerlifting ******* who shows up in every thread that has anything to do with strength, yet still hasnt post a pic of himself.
Dont bother to reply btw, i wont reply back after this one


brb being 10x more hamson then that obese ugly fuker, pulling in poon he could only dream about, and looking 10 times better bodywise before my shoulder injury

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Yea bro I am totally OBESE. LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...&postcount=337

[anonymous]

8500 cals a day is a bit much for a 160 lb dude, even if he didnt care about fat gains, im sure he would have had the same results with 5000-6000, i do hate ppl who bulk at like 2500-3000 cals and say its their genetic max to gain 10-15 lbs of muscle a year

[BigMacMeal]

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Yea bro I am totally OBESE. LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...&postcount=337

Don't mind him, he gets a little noisy around his period

[SightSeeker]

Ahhh yes, the skinny brahs have come in full force at last!

Calling people bigger than them fatasses because that is the only way they sleep at night

Just so long as they are "aesthetically pleasing" they will continue to call powerlifters fatasses.

It is their excuse for being a scrawny ******* and an ego boost.

Just puttin that out there after reading the 150-180lb kids talkin.

EDIT: Just like when everyone used to call Bigmane a fatass, now that he has decided to cut you are all doin some serious dick suckin.

And the fat guys excuse calling himself a powerlifter to let him sleep at night because he can't controll his eating to ever look good and be strong.

See it works both ways.

[IZUNADROPS]

- the guy wanted to achieve MAXIMAL STRENGTH GAIN, he doesnt give a flying fuck about looks.
even if he did, give him 1 month of cutting while staying on this program and he will look better than 90% of the misc..


About Lyle what is wrong with this guy seriously? Rip never insulted him and kept replying in an articulate manner point by point, and now he acts worse than a child, insulting on public forums... fuckin pathetic. I lost all the respect I had for him.

[Suit]

And the fat guys excuse calling himself a powerlifter to let him sleep at night because he can't controll his eating to ever look good and be strong.

See it works both ways.

Actually it doesn't, we don't care what anyone thinks, hence why we just lift and eat and don't give two shiits about "aesthetics". I have been down to 185 and didn't care much for it, felt scrawny, so over the past year I have bulked to 227 at my highest.

Bigmane for instance, has achieved something in 2-3 years that you are still working on and probably will be for the next 5 years, because you are "clean bulking".

Who is that one power lifter that got injured, then went on a cut and turned out beast as ****? Then everyone sucked his dick from what I remember.

See... there are professional powerlifters and people who train to be powerlifters. People don't train to be a professional "aesthetically pleasing" person. You are either a mutant aka bodybuilder, a powerlifter aka obese fatass that can't control his diet (as you morons say) or a scrawny ******* aka wannabe underwear model. (these are the *******s that start the flame wars due to insecurities unknown)


The guy this thread is about could cut down now and look better than you. Which is lulz.

[Backus24]

Actually it doesn't, we don't care what anyone thinks, hence why we just lift and eat and don't give two shiits about "aesthetics". I have been down to 185 and didn't care much for it, felt scrawny, so over the past year I have bulked to 227 at my highest.

Bigmane for instance, has achieved something in 2-3 years that you are still working on and probably will be for the next 5 years, because you are "clean bulking".

Who is that one power lifter that got injured, then went on a cut and turned out beast as ****? Then everyone sucked his dick from what I remember.

See... there are professional powerlifters and people who train to be powerlifters. People don't train to be a professional "aesthetically pleasing" person. You are either a mutant aka bodybuilder, a powerlifter aka obese fatass that can't control his diet or a scrawny ******* aka wannabe underwear model.

You seem angry bro.

You don't care that you get called fat but you think people that are a lean 180 pounds care that you call them small?

Why u mad people have different goals?

[Suit]

You seem angry bro.

You don't care that you get called fat but you think people that are a lean 180 pounds care that you call them small?

Why u mad people have different goals?

I just fire back at the scrawny *******s that start the flame wars calling powerlifters fatasses, when all we want to do is be strong. They don't seem to understand that we don't care about aesthetics. Look at the very start of the thread, it is scrawny *******s screaming "fat/obese" ect.

I am not the one that is mad, they are. Some form of insecurity they have.

[rotatoo]

lyle knows his stuff. I dieted down to crazy low fat with UD2 but im too old for that **** now



i used to post on his forums, he gave me "do not feed the troll" as a custom title lol


and there was a fascinating guys journal on there, called aka23/aka32 or something. He had no emotions it was honestly like reading spocks diary. At one point he was reviewing rollercoasters and it was pure comedy gold

[Thunderjason2]

Mr Aragon here is the scoop.

Coach Rippetoe measured him a couple days ago at a body weight of 242 with a bodyfat % of 20.95% using a 7 skin fold caliper test.



His before and after pics are here:

Started at 162 lbs here


And ended at 242 lbs here



The way I would to the LBM gain calculation is like this: (current bw * (100%-current BF%))-(starting bw*(100%-starting bf%))

Now we know, for sure, the current bw, current bf%, and starting bw. I do not know about his starting bf%, can we assume 10? correct me with what you think is accurate based on the picture of him in the chair.

(242*0.7905)-(162*0.9)
(191.301)-(145.8)
[45.501]

Now that's with me assuming his starting bf%, i dont believe they measured it 6 months ago

haha fat kunt

[rotatoo]

The guy this thread is about could cut down now and look better than you. Which is lulz.

no he couldnt



lifting weights and eating is easy... Hell, its even fun



the only genuine challenge with weightlifting is the diet... Thats why overweight powerlifters are ****s

[Fele777]

lyle knows his stuff. I dieted down to crazy low fat with UD2 but im too old for that **** now



i used to post on his forums, he gave me "do not feed the troll" as a custom title lol


and there was a fascinating guys journal on there, called aka23/aka32 or something. He had no emotions it was honestly like reading spocks diary. At one point he was reviewing rollercoasters and it was pure comedy gold

can you explain UD2 diet?

[XeNoN89]

somebody been on dat dere frog tech

[SightSeeker]

Bigmane for instance, has achieved something in 2-3 years that you are still working on and probably will be for the next 5 years, because you are "clean bulking".

Good for him. I don't want to go through the fat stage and I'm fine where I am.

Who is that one power lifter that got injured, then went on a cut and turned out beast as ****? Then everyone sucked his dick from what I remember.

Bad example I know who you are talking about and he was on roids.

See... there are professional powerlifters and people who train to be power lifters. People don't train to be a professional "aesthetically pleasing" person. You are either a mutant aka bodybuilder, a powerlifter aka obese fatass that can't control his diet (as you morons say) or a scrawny ******* aka wannabe underwear model. (these are the *******s that start the flame wars due to insecurities unknown)


The guy this thread is about could cut down now and look better than you. Which is lulz.

Lots of people train to be "aesthetically pleasing" if that is what you want to call having high lean muscle mass and being low in fat. Look at actors, fitness models, pro athletes. Yes believe it or not some of us prefer that to the powerlifter look.

[TerRyOsuLLivan]

A lot of that guy's muscle gains appear to be in his legs, which is fine, but if those eighty pounds had been spread over two years, he'd look a lot better, and less fat. Still, that's a massively impressive squat gain.

[IronLyfe]

A lot of that guy's muscle gains appear to be in his legs, which is fine, but if those eighty pounds had been spread over two years, he'd look a lot better, and less fat. Still, that's a massively impressive squat gain.

the increase of weight gain is impressive no doubt but you gotta question the guys health. Rippletoes doesnt put the healthiest foods in the diets he makes.

[BoneSkinny]

I feel like I'd just get fat, not stronger if I Super Bulked.

[Fele777]

Accutally he looks better than he started even aesthetically... he was simply stick

[SurlyDuff]

[rotatoo]

suit, youre fat, gay, and less stylish than a palestinian refugee

can you explain UD2 diet?

its a body recomposition diet, but one where you can take it down to like 5% and not fuk up your hormones. So you lose fat/gain muscle



basically you deplete all glycogen from your muscles (the hardest work-out known to man i swear to god), then do other **** but basically it relies on an anabolic rebound phenomena from glycogen super-compensation after the huge carb-up you do at the end of each weekly cycle


its an amazing, clever diet but the depletion workouts are for the hardcorest of the hardcore

[TWiztid7]

good cliffs

gjIm

After looking at everything again, I think it may be legit. Awaiting AA.

[invain]

Brb being 10x more hamson then that obese ugly fuker, pulling in poon he could only dream about, and looking 10 times better bodywise before my shoulder injury

I thought you ****ed dudes? Serious.

Also, that guy isn't even close to obese, and he could probably stomp your ass in real life.

[alero]

I have a hard time believing his body fat only went up 2.5%, but I guess that could be the pictures.

Impressive regardless.

[IrishMarc]

subbed for the lulz

[GodsAngina]

Apologies in advance about my laziness to dig for it, but someone please Cliffs me on the amount of weight Zach gained & the timeframe it occurred. Also, a couple questions: 1) What was his training & diet & supplementation like before he started the program, 2) what was his training & diet & supplementation like afterwards. I've seen plenty people gain sh!tloads of weight in short periods of time, but there are only a handful of circumstances in which this can happen. Really rapid gains beyond the "standard" rates are not impossible, but of course they're exceptional. I'll be back later to check on this.

Turns out you and Lyle are wrong about that one. No hate btw but the worst thing you could do is dig your head in the sand like that ******* Lyle Mcdonald did, I'd also advise you to strategically disassociate yourself with him now it's been revealed he is an idiot. Again, no hate.





Anways, now that this is all over, what have we learned?

We have learned that the field of Exercise Science, as it stands at this moment, is inferior to Bro Science.

We have learned that Rippetoe's gets you big and strong faster than any study says you can, because no study tested the average gain in LBM on a program of aggressive linear progression using the big compound lifts like Rippetoe's did.

We have learned that slow bulking, when you are starting off, IS retarded.

[Fuzzy_Logic]

I'm now 100% sure that Rip is reptilian.

[cncman]

lold at everyone here saying "haha fat *******"


Let me see pics of you putting this much lbm in....2 years. Retards

[IronLyfe]

so dreamer was right all along, you ****ers used to mock his fat ass. Look at you all now.

LOOK AT YOU.