We saw what happened when guns were confiscated at the door in the Batman movie theater shooting. The gunman selected the disarmed movie theater on purpose thou other movie theaters that allowed guns were same or closer distance from him.
These gunmen get guns illegally anyway, and know to select a disarmed target.
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02-28-2015, 12:11 PM #301
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02-28-2015, 12:20 PM #302
So... it's OK that criminals have deadly weapons. As long as they don't have really deadly weapons... while their victims are defenseless pawns?
Sorry, that mindset still makes absolutely no sense.
i'm aware that you're aware that this argument is about risk vs reward
unfortunately you somehow believe the reward is bigger probably due to getting all your info from the nra
Meanwhile, "CDC" (Centers for Disease Control) is a US Federal Government Agency, not the NRA: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...rime-deterrent
“Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies,” the CDC study, entitled “Priorities For Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence,” states.
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02-28-2015, 12:30 PM #303
What's also interesting is that this not funny comic performed for the troops, well armed murderers, AND he joked and laughed about how they killed someone from the helicopter right in front of him. And his whole audience laughed and enjoyed as well. Basically he is not anti-gun, he is anti-YOU having a gun, he is all for the ruling class and their servants having guns. He is very much pro gun. Just not for you to have it.
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02-28-2015, 12:44 PM #304So... it's OK that criminals have deadly weapons. As long as they don't have really deadly weapons
well, yes and no.
the things you listed aren't weapons
knives are made for cooking for example, there is a clear reward
in this case, reward > risk
guns are made for killing (or as jim jeffries puts it, for shooting at targets or hunting)
risk > reward
now you can narrow down stats to prove your point, you can rationalize the usa homocide rate being 6.7x that of where i live etc etc.
but will we ever know what's really the truth considering there are so many factors at play here?
no.
but outside the misc gun crew thread the rest of the civilized world thinks that low violent crime/low homocide is attributed to low firearm ownership
I'm really trying to believe you, but the stats just aren't in your favor. just why is america so violent? why aren't these defensive gun use cases you cite deterring people?
once again, i would also own firearms if i lived in america, but that doesn't mean i'm safer over there just because i own one, because statistically i'm in greater danger stepping off the plane than boarding it in my home country.
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02-28-2015, 12:48 PM #305
Last time, since you'll probably continue to ignore it anyway: GUNS PROVIDE DEFENSE. That is a clear reward. Yes, it's actually a good thing to kill or injure a violent attacker who would otherwise do the same to you and others.
But keep ignoring that, and instead cry about the US homicide rate, which has already been proven as inverse to the number of guns in the hands of law abiding citizens.
Standard anti-gun response throughout this thread: Use emotion and what you wish were true. Ignore cited facts and statistical research at all costs.
BRB - 50% reduction in violent crime, and Chesso still doesn't see the effects of deterrence.
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02-28-2015, 12:51 PM #306
the defense of not being up against an attacker armed with a firearm is a greater defense
and yes using a firearm is ALSO a great defense
thx for playing
BRB - 50% reduction in violent crime, and Chesso still doesn't see the effects of deterrence
ridiculously terrible statistics regarding violent crime/homocide
claims people need more guns to lower the stats
NEWSFLASH: reduction in violent crime can be observed everywhere during recent yearsLast edited by Chesso95; 02-28-2015 at 12:59 PM.
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02-28-2015, 01:09 PM #312
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A non-american trying to work american gun laws into his routine. such original. much comedy. Please regale us with more hilarious comedy, perhaps a woman talking about her vagina.
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02-28-2015, 01:11 PM #314
I'm for whatever anybody would want. If you want guns, go ahead and buy some and enjoy them for what they are but for me personally I would be 100% alright with never holding a gun, shooting a gun, being generally anywhere close to a gun simply because I only have one life to live and this may be ignorant of me but there are A LOT of people on this planet that struggle with common things that chimps do yet they own an arsenal of weapons.
I love Canada for this reason, sure there are some nuts here and there but in Ottawa we broke our record for most deaths in a year which was 10-15 meanwhile New York is celebrating a record that nobody died for 10-15 days. How can you honestly believe if there were no weapons (guns) that there'd still be the same amount of crime?
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02-28-2015, 01:20 PM #320
Aw, I was hoping he'd actually make some valid points.
To each his own, the great thing about America is that you actually have the choice. Have fun on your governments leash.
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8 children killed in mass stabbing IN Australia last year .. taking away guns doesn't solve humanities problems.
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02-28-2015, 01:27 PM #321
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Can you bring any actual arguments supported by research and data?
Did you know the state of New York has some of the strongest gun laws in the country and New York City specifically is amongst the top cities with even stricter gun control?
You literally contradicted your argument by trying to cite NYC as an example.
Since you are trying to compare the US to foreign countries, look at the violent crime rate of the UK and Australia before the gun bans. Compare those rates to those countries today. Tell me if less guns really does equal less crime.
Also tell me why America's crime has been decreasing rapidly while gun ownership is at never before seen levels.
Define assault rifle and tell me how many people are killed by them.
Did you know more people are beaten to death with bare hands than killed by ANY type of rifle in America each year? You literally don't know what you're talking about.Misc Firearms Crew
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02-28-2015, 01:28 PM #322
You are also comparing an area which has an metro area population of 1,236,324 to a metro area population of 23,484,225. That is a huge difference. NYC is also known for their very strict gun control. It obviously isnt working.
Also the thing is there is no way there would ever be no guns in America. There are way too many.
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02-28-2015, 01:35 PM #323
OK.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...level-33-years
Australia's homicide rate was 1.9 per 100k the year before the ban, today it is 1.0 per 100k, and mass shootings pretty much disappeared.
Anything else?
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02-28-2015, 01:35 PM #324
I'm just using what I know man. I live in Canada and It's just incredibly foreign to hold a weapon. In fact, you'd probably scare the **** out of people if you were (legally speaking). Also, the deaths in Ottawa I was talking about I'm not entirely sure were all gun related aka 10-15. They were murders but not specific.
I just find it very hard to believe that if you subtract a weapon that can kill someone so easily and a child could use said weapon easily that you'd have less murders. In my mind I just can't comprehend most peoples thought process. Everyones arguments are to fight fire with fire. He has a gun? I'll have a bigger gun. It's evident that a lot of people shouldn't be carrying but still do, what happens when they mis-use the weapon? People get hurt alongside criminals.
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02-28-2015, 01:48 PM #327
Do you mother f*cking F*CKERS think for ONE F*CKING SECOND that the founders of the country didn't stop and say
"DUR HEY YOU THINK MAYBE IF EVERYONE'S ALLOWED TO HAVE GUNS MAYBE PEOPLE WILL SHOOT OTHER PEOPLE?"
because they f*cking KNEW THAT SH*T WOULD HAPPEN.
OH but big F*CKING SURPRISE!!!
They didn't write those United States Club Rule Document (constitution) to make america the SAFEST F*CKING PLACE ON THE PLANET
THEY MADE IT TO BE THE MOST FREE!!!
AS IN F*CK YOU AND YOUR F*CKING SAFETY, WE'RE TRYNA NOT GET RULED BY KINGS AND TYRANTS AND OVERPOWERED GOVERNMENTS!!!!!!!Neg "Neat" posts on sight. *******s.
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02-28-2015, 01:49 PM #328
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the funny part is that if anyone actually follows him they'd be well aware he's out-right stating it as all a joke yet because he makes legit points there's fukwits out there who want to kill him
he literally got more of a reaction from this than he did with his religion based stuff (also funny as chit) I think that says a lot...
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02-28-2015, 01:57 PM #330
Which is clearly nothing. He responded with the hard facts and real T, you responded with subjective emotional BS based on your perceptions, which are dead wrong. That puts you in the usual class of people who are for gun control:
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