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    why does everyone hate george bush?

    i think hes doing a good job
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    sore losers in the USA, and much of the rest of the world are socialists.
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    Originally Posted by sticklegs
    sore losers in the USA, and much of the rest of the world are socialists.
    People in the US hated george bush before he won the election. It's not about being a sore looser it's about being politically oposed to him and his party.
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    Alot of people dislike him, I don't think anyone strait up hates him.

    In my opinion bush jr. is a bad president, he can't make a good speech, he is not too bright, he is anti-intelectual, he brings religion to the state, his specialty is personal backdoor deals and his administration lacks transparency.

    But president only does so much, he is mostly a pr person, I think alot of people overestimate the impact one can make.

    Edit: His administration is turning away or traditional allies and walked away from important treaties. NO diplomacy skills.
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    Ugh, i've argued this for soooo long and sooo often, and I simply can't muster the energy to put together a long post right now.
    So instead, allow me to reciprocate by asking you a question:
    Name 3 things George Bush has done in 4 years that has benefited the majority of americans.
    and don't say he has made us safer, b/c i don't think throwing away young lives in a useless war is making us safe.
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    Originally Posted by AntonToo
    Alot of people dislike him, I don't think anyone strait up hates him.

    In my opinion bush jr. is a bad president, he can't make a good speech, he is not too bright, he is anti-intelectual, he brings religion to the state and his specialty persnal backdoor deals.

    But president only does so much, he is mostly a pr person, I think alot of people overestimate the impact one can make.
    especially when he can often be a complete TOOL of Cheney, rumsfeld, and rice.
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    Ugh, i've argued this for soooo long and sooo often, and I simply can't muster the energy to put together a long post right now.
    So instead, allow me to reciprocate by asking you a question:
    Name 3 things George Bush has done in 4 years that has benefited the majority of americans.
    and don't say he has made us safer, b/c i don't think throwing away young lives in a useless war is making us safe.

    I'm afraid the reposnse you'd get would be something along the lines of "omfg you're fukin retardic mornonic douche liberal!! "

    Dont hold your breath..
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    Ugh, i've argued this for soooo long and sooo often, and I simply can't muster the energy to put together a long post right now.
    So instead, allow me to reciprocate by asking you a question:
    Name 3 things George Bush has done in 4 years that has benefited the majority of americans.
    and don't say he has made us safer, b/c i don't think throwing away young lives in a useless war is making us safe.
    1. hes got more balls than clinton or any other wuss president

    2. he kicked iraqs ass

    3. he doesnt take **** from noone
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    Originally Posted by Beej
    1. hes got more balls than clinton or any other wuss president

    2. he kicked iraqs ass

    3. he doesnt take **** from noone
    Is having balls,taking risks and being impulsive a good thing?
    Is invading countries that turned out to have posed no threat at all a good thing?
    Is arrogance a good thing?
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    infinite, i mean.
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    i think hes doing a good job
    I think that has got to be the stupid question ever asked in the history of mankind!
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    Originally Posted by Beej
    1. hes got more balls than clinton or any other wuss president

    2. he kicked iraqs ass

    3. he doesnt take **** from noone
    Clinton was probably one of the best presidents the US ever had, he was a genius and probably one of the best in the world in international diplomacy at the time. Your description of george bush makes him entirely appropriate to star in a john wayne movie, leave the real world up to men with minds.
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    He is a puppet of his administration. The only reason he won these past two elections is his personality. He appeals much more to the general public than Kerry, or Gore did. It is basically all personality. Most people in the U.S. are far too stupid to really think through the issues, through a president's policies with reasoning, and really weighing the issues. Oh well.
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    Originally Posted by kmons87
    Ugh, i've argued this for soooo long and sooo often, and I simply can't muster the energy to put together a long post right now.
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    Name 3 things George Bush has done in 4 years that has benefited the majority of americans.
    and don't say he has made us safer, b/c i don't think throwing away young lives in a useless war is making us safe.
    1.Pushed a war on terrorism

    2. cut taxes to pull us out of recession

    3. he has protected our soverty

    4. expanded liberty and freedom through the world
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    amen to that.
    and beej those have to be the dumbest reasons to vote for a leader that I have ever heard in my life.

    In none of that rambling did you come close to formulating a rational thought. I award you zero points, and may God help you. (sorry, couldn't resist quoting billy madison)
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    Originally Posted by sticklegs
    1.Pushed a war on terrorism
    Want to compare our deathtoll from terrorism and our deathtoll and expense from bush's "war on terrorism"? He spent 160+ billion and 1400+ american lives to date to take the "war on terrorism" to a country that had no significant ties to terrorism.
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    Originally Posted by sticklegs
    1.Pushed a war on terrorism

    2. cut taxes to pull us out of recession

    3. he has protected our soverty

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    You can never have too much soverty
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    Originally Posted by sticklegs
    2. cut taxes to pull us out of recession
    There is no good indications of that
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    why does everyone hate george bush?
    When your as cute as W you have a lot of jealously... I find I have the same problem....
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    Originally Posted by sticklegs
    4. expanded liberty and freedom through the world
    This I agree with, but at what price? History will tell.
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    Originally Posted by sticklegs
    1.Pushed a war on terrorism

    2. cut taxes to pull us out of recession

    3. he has protected our soverty

    4. expanded liberty and freedom through the world
    When was your 'soverty' ever in jeopardy?
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    When was your 'soverty' ever in jeopardy?
    The UN and French both want to Tax the USA and the rest of the world to pay for social programs. That is an attack on our "sovernty"
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    Originally Posted by AntonToo
    Want to compare our deathtoll from terrorism and our deathtoll and expense from bush's "war on terrorism"?
    what would be our future death toll from terrorism if we don't stop it?

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    There is no good indications of that
    read what most economists have to say about this.

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    This I agree with, but at what price? History will tell.
    what price would you pay to keep your freedom. Some people would rather be sheep than be free. The best way to protect our freedom is to spread freedom through out the world.
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    Originally Posted by sticklegs
    what would be our future death toll from terrorism if we don't stop it?



    read what most economists have to say about this.



    what price would you pay to keep your freedom. Some people would rather be sheep than be free. The best way to protect our freedom is to spread freedom through out the world.
    How do you plan to stop terrorism? You can't, its not like declaring war on a country, once the country is gone thats it, anyone who wants to blow something up is a terrorist.
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    Originally Posted by sticklegs
    what would be our future death toll from terrorism if we don't stop it?
    What I'm talking about is INEFFICIENCY fo bush's war on terror.

    Iraq compaign is a disaster from "war on terror" point of view. The only reason why they are painting the rosey picture of saving iraqies from tyrrany is because without that, they have absolute no rationale left for the war.

    I say if iraqies didn't liberate themselves they didn't want the freedom all that bad. Who da fk are we to tell them otherwise and make sacrifices to do it for them. Now they will live free and in shame of not being able to advance their own civilization.
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    Originally Posted by sticklegs
    The UN and French both want to Tax the USA and the rest of the world to pay for social programs. That is an attack on our "sovernty"
    Do you really think kerry was about to give france money? As for the UN, the US gov knew the UN would tax them for their actions and they went ahead anyway. They should either pay up or get out because they obviously dont have any respect for that organisation.
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    The UN and French both want to Tax the USA and the rest of the world to pay for social programs. That is an attack on our "sovernty"
    It is sovereignty. Do you not have the right to say 'No'?
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    Originally Posted by sticklegs
    read what most economists have to say about this.
    They say it contributed heavily to doubling our defecit
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    Originally Posted by AntonToo
    What I'm talking about is INEFFICIENCY fo bush's war on terror.

    Iraq compaign is a disaster from "war on terror" point of view. The only reason why they are painting the rosey picture of saving iraqies from tyrrany is because without that, they have absolute no rationale left for the war.

    I say if iraqies didn't liberate themselves they didn't want the freedom all that bad. Who da fk are we to tell them otherwise and make sacrifices to do it for them. Now they will live free and in shame of not being able to advance their own civilization.
    are we not safer after the fall of the Berlin wall, the fall of communism in the soviet union, the fall of emperial Japan. Democracy being allowed to happen in countries turns former enemies into allies. If there is a free Iraq in the middle east that is a friend to help stop terrorism.
    People want an quick fix, there isn't one. It took a long time in all of the other examples I listed above, and it will take a long time in the middle east. I am not only thinking about my saftey but the safety of my children and my future grandchildren.
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