Pretty impressive, 21 @ 202lb in the first pic and 28 @ 238lb in the second,
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12-02-2012, 06:20 PM #1
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12-02-2012, 06:46 PM #2
Woah. Never knew his waist was so tiny. Maybe those 400 lb stiff legged deadlifts arent a good idea. His obliques got huge.
He looks heavier than he is. Is he like 5'8?Sudbury Ontario championships july june 11 2011 - 5th light heavy weight class
London Ontario championships nov 26 2011 - 2nd heavy weight class
Next shows - Missisauga championship May 19th and Ontario championship June 2nd
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12-02-2012, 06:47 PM #3
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12-02-2012, 07:05 PM #4
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12-02-2012, 07:21 PM #7
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The man's waist was probably even smaller before he started bodybuilding. It's not possible to maintain waist size and put on a 100lbs of muscle.
It has never been seen.
I think you are confusing what I said with small waists in general. I do not reject the notion that bodybuilders can have tiny waists. They can't, however, maintain the same waist size they had before they started training.Bench: 215x12 (17/12/2011) PR since torn RC
"Being the best in your circle is not enough; you have to think bigger to become a champion. Don’t think like a small fish in a big pond or else when you get to the ocean you’ll be eaten alive." - Fouad Abiad
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I think it might be the angle of that photo, because I agree, his waist looks quite good in the first picture. But I've seen other pictures of Fouad when he was younger and his waist didn't appear to be that tight. Huge fan of the guy, but his waist isn't a strong point, and unless I'm mistaken, it never was.
Bench: 215x12 (17/12/2011) PR since torn RC
"Being the best in your circle is not enough; you have to think bigger to become a champion. Don’t think like a small fish in a big pond or else when you get to the ocean you’ll be eaten alive." - Fouad Abiad
"Proper preparation prevents poor performance," - Kai Greene
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12-02-2012, 07:45 PM #10
Definitely possible to minimize it. His obliques look inches bigger. And correction, he gained 36 lbs of muscle (not 100..) according to the OP. So yeah id expect you could gain 36 lbs of muscle without adding 3 inches to your waist... Certain movements will stress certain muscles more. He does 400+ lb stiff legged deadlifts, which im sure stress the abdominal wall much more than necessary. What your saying is essentially right, but not in this instance.
Im not knocking Him, hes a good guy from what I have seen and heard. Each muscle has certain actions, if you find ways to avoid contraction while finding ways to maximize contractions in target muscles, then you can keep a narrower waist. There obviously are other possible factors like GI bloat that comes from periodically greater food intake and maybe organ enlargment from certain compounds (although I have no formed opinion on this).
I also realize that some growth will be inevitable due to isometric contraction during other movements, but he went from having a gifted waist to a pretty large waist relative to his weight gain and starting point.Sudbury Ontario championships july june 11 2011 - 5th light heavy weight class
London Ontario championships nov 26 2011 - 2nd heavy weight class
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12-02-2012, 11:25 PM #14
I really didn't expect you to believe the whole "deadlifts widen the waist" shiz, definitely not you.
Muscles develop and with more development their shape comes out. As much as it's about illusions...i can't wrap my head around having your obliques be as frail and underdeveloped as when you first started lifting, just for the sake of a taper.People these days have more reps than brain cells
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12-03-2012, 05:57 AM #18
I didnt say your obliques will stay as "frail" as when you started lifting. I said you can minimize it by isolating muscle instead of trying to stiff leg dl 400+ lbs when 135 is enough to stretch your hams. Or squat 3 plates with control instead of mindlessly pushing every damn muscle + your sphincter to lift 600.
A pro I trained with thinks so. He said heavy deads should be avoided unless you are doing rack pulls. He said it makes waists blocky. Im not mindlessly believing what he says either. It makes sense to me because I know muscle action and its logical. Look at any powerlifter or strongman. Im sure if they cut down there would be huge obliques under there.
I dont think we are at all disagreeing. Im not saying you can go from 150 to 300 and not have ANY oblique growth.Sudbury Ontario championships july june 11 2011 - 5th light heavy weight class
London Ontario championships nov 26 2011 - 2nd heavy weight class
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12-03-2012, 06:38 AM #20
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Genetics are a greater determinant than what exercises you do. Arnold was deadlifting 600+ and he never had problems with an overdeveloped core. Same thing Franco and Ed Corney.
And a more modern day example would be Kai. Lifts massive amounts on all the big 3 and has no problem with overdeveloped obliques.
Then you have Jay, who as far as I am aware of, no longer deadlifts and never does free weight squats yet has the most developed obliques I have ever seen.
It's not as simple as "avoid heavy deads and squats and your waist will stay tight" or "if you do deads and squats your waist will get out of control"Bench: 215x12 (17/12/2011) PR since torn RC
"Being the best in your circle is not enough; you have to think bigger to become a champion. Don’t think like a small fish in a big pond or else when you get to the ocean you’ll be eaten alive." - Fouad Abiad
"Proper preparation prevents poor performance," - Kai Greene
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