Milk?

[FC Alex]

Simple question... which milk should I drink whole, 2%, 1%, fatfree, organic whole ($$$), or soy.

I've read that too much soy can act as a depresent on the thyriod so, I don't drink it. Lately I just take 2%, I suppose I could go organic.

BTW I'm starting to cut, also I only have 1 12 oz glass of milk pre bed meal with casein protein and some cottage cheese.

Thanks,
FC ALEX

[StrongEnough?]

Simple question... which milk should I drink whole, 2%, 1%, fatfree, organic whole ($$$), or soy.

I've read that too much soy can act as a depresent on the thyriod so, I don't drink it. Lately I just take 2%, I suppose I could go organic.

BTW I'm starting to cut, also I only have 1 12 oz glass of milk pre bed meal with casein protein and some cottage cheese.

Thanks,
FC ALEX

Skim (fat free)

[rockhuddy]

Skim (fat free)

Yes. If you were bulking 1 or 2 % would be better.

[zengland]

I grew up drinking whole milk, so skim tastes too watered down for me. So I compromise and drink 1%.

[TanTheMan]

I grew up drinking whole milk, so skim tastes too watered down for me. So I compromise and drink 1%.

As did I, but now i cant stand the taste of regular milk, tastes too sweet. Kinda like soda.

[kid.A]

skim milk has everything that other milk has but doesnt have the fat or the calories. even though im bulking i drink skim milk because i would rather have my calories comming from better sources than dairy fat.

[ElMariachi]

Go for organic, it has gone down in price over the past few years and has almost no reported incidents of hormones, antibiotics, and other "magic ingredients" that find their way into most commercially produced milk.

[Melkor]

skim milk has everything that other milk has but doesnt have the fat or the calories. even though im bulking i drink skim milk because i would rather have my calories comming from better sources than dairy fat.

Yup

[FC Alex]

Thanks guys, I guess I'll check the price of organic if not then I'll go fatfree.

BTW guys I do know that fatfree is also known as skim milk.

Again thank you for everything,
FC Alex

[US_Ranger]

I'm so sick of this lying bull**** that gets spread around about soymilk. Someone show me a credible source that it suppresses your ****ing thyroid.

[RockyIV]

The only argument I've heard about soy protien is that it's not a complete protien and whey and casien are better for you.

[j_neatherlin]

I'm so sick of this lying bull**** that gets spread around about soymilk. Someone show me a credible source that it suppresses your ****ing thyroid.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

Biochem Pharmacol. 1997 Nov 15;54(10):1087-96. Related Articles, Links


Anti-thyroid isoflavones from soybean: isolation, characterization, and mechanisms of action.

Divi RL, Chang HC, Doerge DR.

National Center for Toxicological Research, Jefferson, AR 72079, USA.

The soybean has been implicated in diet-induced goiter by many studies. The extensive consumption of soy products in infant formulas and in vegetarian diets makes it essential to define the goitrogenic potential. In this report, it was observed that an acidic methanolic extract of soybeans contains compounds that inhibit thyroid peroxidase- (TPO) catalyzed reactions essential to thyroid hormone synthesis. Analysis of the soybean extract using HPLC, UV-VIS spectrophotometry, and LC-MS led to identification of the isoflavones genistein and daidzein as major components by direct comparison with authentic standard reference isoflavones. HPLC fractionation and enzymatic assay of the soybean extract showed that the components responsible for inhibition of TPO-catalyzed reactions coeluted with daidzein and genistein. In the presence of iodide ion, genistein and daidzein blocked TPO-catalyzed tyrosine iodination by acting as alternate substrates, yielding mono-, di-, and triiodoisoflavones. Genistein also inhibited thyroxine synthesis using iodinated casein or human goiter thyroglobulin as substrates for the coupling reaction. Incubation of either isoflavone with TPO in the presence of H2O2 caused irreversible inactivation of the enzyme; however, the presence of iodide ion in the incubations completely abolished the inactivation. The IC50 values for inhibition of TPO-catalyzed reactions by genistein and daidzein were ca. 1-10 microM, concentrations that approach the total isoflavone levels (ca. 1 microM) previously measured in plasma from humans consuming soy products. Because inhibition of thyroid hormone synthesis can induce goiter and thyroid neoplasia in rodents, delineation of anti-thyroid mechanisms for soy isoflavones may be important for extrapolating goitrogenic hazards identified in chronic rodent bioassays to humans consuming soy products.

PMID: 9464451 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

how's that for starters?

[US_Ranger]

Well that's funny because bb.com had a huge article a couple months back busting the myth of the ****ty soy protein argument. I'll see if I can dig it up.

edit : Your article is from '97 too. Kinda old news.

[US_Ranger]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/willbrink4.htm

Well, that's the article I read awhile back claiming soy was ok.

I also found a couple articles saying soy does indeed suck.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/tietge7.htm


I guess the debate is still going strong on this one. My personal choice is to not drink any type of milk (dariy or soy)

The human body used to get rid of the milk digesting enzyme at around age 5 but as human beings have grown larger civilizations, dairy has become a staple for many. For a long time humans lived off of meat, veggies and fruit with a scattering of grain. Soybeans are somewhat new to humankind as well as dairy so I prefer to stay with what is most easily digestible and used by the human body. This is just my opinion.

[j_neatherlin]

Well that's funny because bb.com had a huge article a couple months back busting the myth of the ****ty soy protein argument. I'll see if I can dig it up.

edit : Your article is from '97 too. Kinda old news.

my article is from a credible source. bb.com articles are not credible sources. if referrences are posted for those articles, then search those referrences for credible sources.

i also avoid both soy and dairy milk. at times i will drink one or the other, or almond or rice milk...but none of those on a regular basis.

edit: i will give you that Will Brink is a reputable guy, but I would still rather read the studies/articles/whatever myself to see what they actually say.

[US_Ranger]

my article is from a credible source. bb.com articles are not credible sources. if referrences are posted for those articles, then search those referrences for credible sources.

i also avoid both soy and dairy milk. at times i will drink one or the other, or almond or rice milk...but none of those on a regular basis.

edit: i will give you that Will Brink is a reputable guy, but I would still rather read the studies/articles/whatever myself to see what they actually say.

I agree with you. It's better to read the actual article. Thanks for posting up the info as I now have something to do in Iraq (study effects of soy) instead of watching Minority Report for the 50th time.

How's Almond milk by the way, I've never had it but I looooove almond butter.

[j_neatherlin]

I agree with you. It's better to read the actual article. Thanks for posting up the info as I now have something to do in Iraq (study effects of soy) instead of watching Minority Report for the 50th time.

How's Almond milk by the way, I've never had it but I looooove almond butter.

it's okay...i don't have it often, so i honestly couldn't describe it.