Quick Q: Combining Craze with Ultra Reps?

[Clever Mouse]

Quick question here: Anyone have tried DS' Craze with AX's Ultra reps for longer duration workouts?
I know it's not recommended to combine Craze with anything, but that wasn't my question. I read that taking beta alanine with Craze anectodally gives sh!tty results, and Ultra Reps contains carnosine, so, looking for some subjective experiences here, if any?

Thanks In Advance!

[Clever Mouse]

Responses!

[=D]

Why would you use any AX product?

[poison]

Maybe if you combine lots of concentrated formulas, you can achieve the effects of a non-concentrate!

Btw, I love how it's 'non-stim', wait, haha, we's just kidding, there's a stim in there but you won't feel it!!!1!

[Clever Mouse]

Why would you use any AX product?

Decent profile on paper methinks. I always get an endurance boost from carnosine, and it makes sense it contains taurine as well for longer cardio sessions.

[chicken2good]

people say craze is crazy by itself so I would just use it solo but in the end I have no idea what "ultra reps" profile is

[Clever Mouse]

people say craze is crazy by itself so I would just use it solo but in the end I have no idea what "ultra reps" profile is

Ultra Reps Performance Blend 5.722mg
German Creatine Monohydrate (Creapure), Taurine, Enterically coated L-Carnosine (b-Alanyl-l-histidine), Disodium Adenosine-5'-triphosphate, Trisodium Citrate dihydrate, Theobromine anhydrous.

Other Ingredients:
Citric acid, natural & artificial flavors, guar gum, sodium citrate, malic acid, silica, sucralose, triacetin, FD&C Red 40, FD&C Blue 1.

Still looking for anyone combining them. If such a thing is even possible.

[tubemode12]

Anyone who claims to fully understand Craze's profile is lying - the only person who probably does is the product formulator and anyone with extensive knowledge with regards to oriental medicine.

Patrick Arnold himself has not been able to conclusively explain dendramine's mechanism of action in conjunction with all of the other ingredients in Craze.

It's main ingredient is new and largely unheard of. Not like this is a bad thing.

In short: no one can answer your question conclusively.

What I want to know however is this: What in the hell is up with the junkies trying to amplify Craze using other supplements?

Craze by itself does enough (as mentioned by a plethora of users), if you want to get high, save yourself the time and money and go out and buy *******.

[Mr.Cooper69]

Anyone who claims to fully understand Craze's profile is lying - the only person who probably does is the product formulator and anyone with extensive knowledge with regards to oriental medicine.

Patrick Arnold himself has not been able to conclusively explain dendramine's mechanism of action in conjunction with all of the other ingredients in Craze.

It's main ingredient is new and largely unheard of. Not like this is a bad thing.

In short: no one can answer your question conclusively.

What I want to know however is this: What in the hell is up with the junkies trying to amplify Craze using other supplements?

Craze by itself does enough (as mentioned by a plethora of users), if you want to get high, save yourself the time and money and go out and buy *******.

I've researched the individual constituents of Dendrobex extensively, but I must say that there is a degree of synergism that extends beyond dendrobex (particularly with NMT and TMG). I would love to discuss this with Pinch, but unfortunately he's banned . Sldge, WHERE ARE YOU.

[tubemode12]

I've researched the individual constituents of Dendrobex extensively, but I must say that there is a degree of synergism that extends beyond dendrobex (particularly with NMT and TMG). I would love to discuss this with Pinch, but unfortunately he's banned . Sldge, WHERE ARE YOU.

Why have DGreek and Pinch been banned?

[UncleWade]

Why have DGreek and Pinch been banned?

It's been pretty spicy between those affiliated with companies in the Supp Misc section lately.

[DASBUNKER]

I've researched the individual constituents of Dendrobex extensively, but I must say that there is a degree of synergism that extends beyond dendrobex (particularly with NMT and TMG). I would love to discuss this with Pinch, but unfortunately he's banned . Sldge, WHERE ARE YOU.

quoted for more..

[tubemode12]

It's been pretty spicy between those affiliated with companies in the Supp Misc section lately.

WTF.

Cliffs?

I have had to extend duty hours in order to answer questions because of their absence.

@Mr. Cooper

Is it correct to say that Craze exhibits MAOI action?

The popular consensus is that PEA and its other brothers require a MAOI to bring about a significant physiological reaction.

I apologize, can't sift through the ingredient profile. Working on Economic Calculus.

Crying buckets. Can't wait for Med School. (((((

Thank God for cortisol blockers and heavy handed stimulants. All I feel right now is a profound feeling of utter numbness.

[Mr.Cooper69]

Why have DGreek and Pinch been banned?

Pinch made a sarcastic thread about Trutein, DGreek made a comment about Primaforce Agmatine being ineffective.

[Clever Mouse]

What I want to know however is this: What in the hell is up with the junkies trying to amplify Craze using other supplements?

Craze by itself does enough (as mentioned by a plethora of users), if you want to get high, save yourself the time and money and go out and buy *******.

No it doesn't. And I'm not a plethora of users. I use maybe 0.75 scoop before a long cardio session 1+ hour, and I could still use more "umpf" and support of the cardiac function during this. I already take taurine which n=1 helps me, and with their carnosine in the formula it sounds like an interesting mix to me.

[Sldge]

I've researched the individual constituents of Dendrobex extensively, but I must say that there is a degree of synergism that extends beyond dendrobex (particularly with NMT and TMG). I would love to discuss this with Pinch, but unfortunately he's banned . Sldge, WHERE ARE YOU.

I'm here and for the OP you definitely don't want to use carnosine or beta alanine within a couple of hours of using Craze. Craze doesn't need anything else added to it.

[UncleWade]

Pinch made a sarcastic thread about Trutein, DGreek made a comment about Primaforce Agmatine being ineffective.

You might as well call Coop the BUS DRIVER..

Because he's takin' y'all to school.

[tubemode12]

No it doesn't. And I'm not a plethora of users. I use maybe 0.75 scoop before a long cardio session 1+ hour, and I could still use more "umpf" and support of the cardiac function during this. I already take taurine which n=1 helps me, and with their carnosine in the formula it sounds like an interesting mix to me.

Then use an entire scoop.

Christ the logic.

And what do you mean by Cardiac support? You are proposing the addition of another stimulant. I do not know how this translates into anything beneficial for your heart.

EDIT: Well there you have it, formulator's own words: You don't need to add anything else.

[Mr.Cooper69]

I'm here and for the OP you definitely don't want to use carnosine or beta alanine within a couple of hours of using Craze. Craze doesn't need anything else added to it.

Excellent! My first question was whether or not you could detail the roles of dendramine, dendrobine, and dendroxine in the Craze formula. My research on dendrobine does show some odd effects (do you think this is responsible for the oral anesthesia that some users get?), dendroxine is interesting, and dendramine has almost no data on it.

[Sldge]

No it doesn't. And I'm not a plethora of users. I use maybe 0.75 scoop before a long cardio session 1+ hour, and I could still use more "umpf" and support of the cardiac function during this. I already take taurine which n=1 helps me, and with their carnosine in the formula it sounds like an interesting mix to me.

Have you tried 1 scoop? Carnosine and beta alanine drastically reduced performance.

[tubemode12]

Why can't we all just get along.

[Clever Mouse]

Then use an entire scoop.

Too much, ime. Christ the logic.

Christ the logic.

And what do you mean by Cardiac support? You are proposing the addition of another stimulant. I do not know how this translates into anything beneficial for your heart.

Haven't tried Ultra Reps yet, but from the writeup they suggest it's not really a (traditional) stimulant. I know it is, but a very mild one probably.

EDIT: Well there you have it, formulator's own words: You don't need to add anything else.

Yeah, thanks Matt. Guess I need to take UR another day.

[tubemode12]

Excellent! My first question was whether or not you could detail the roles of dendramine, dendrobine, and dendroxine in the Craze formula. My research on dendrobine does show some odd effects (do you think this is responsible for the oral anesthesia that some users get?), dendroxine is interesting, and dendramine has almost no data on it.

Oral anesthesia?

So Craze is said to block the transmission of neural impulses?

Wow. Multiple physiological pathways. I wonder what the direct mechanism of action is though.

This is interesting to say the least.

[Clever Mouse]

Have you tried 1 scoop? Carnosine and beta alanine drastically reduced performance.

It's getting in the uncomfortable territory (rising blood pressure), ~0.75 scoop and I get a more "smooth" workout. But I hear ya about not combining with carnosine/BA.

[Mr.Cooper69]

Oral anesthesia?

So Craze is said to block the transmission of neural impulses?

Wow. Multiple physiological pathways. I wonder what the direct mechanism of action is though.

This is interesting to say the least.

I get the oral anesthesia as well as a few other members. It appears to be topical, as I get it almost instantly, unless some ingredient is being sublingually absorbed.

[Sldge]

Excellent! My first question was whether or not you could detail the roles of dendramine, dendrobine, and dendroxine in the Craze formula. My research on dendrobine does show some odd effects (do you think this is responsible for the oral anesthesia that some users get?), dendroxine is interesting, and dendramine has almost no data on it.

The oral anesthesia (although that probably is a drastic stretch) happens in very few people making it tough to try to say X contributes to Y. These aren't individual ingredients, it's the entire Dendrobex extract that works with the rest of the formula. TMG helps to extend the mental alertness and stim (along with the increases in strength in the gym) but as you can see with some people who are sensitive to TMG that the effects get too pronounced.

[tubemode12]

I get the oral anesthesia as well as a few other members. It appears to be topical, as I get it almost instantly, unless some ingredient is being sublingually absorbed.

Has the full chemical chemical name of the said substance been disclosed?

[tubemode12]

Definitely on my 'to try list' next to Focus XT.

@Sldge

BTW. If you discontinue Lean Xtreme, I will gut you.

[Sldge]

Too much, ime. Christ the logic.

Haven't tried Ultra Reps yet, but from the writeup they suggest it's not really a (traditional) stimulant. I know it is, but a very mild one probably.

Yeah, thanks Matt. Guess I need to take UR another day.

Try it much earlier in the day if you want to. Take it when you wake up, about 4-6 hours before you take the Craze and you should be ok. You'll know right away if it's helping or not.

Oral anesthesia?

So Craze is said to block the transmission of neural impulses?

Wow. Multiple physiological pathways. I wonder what the direct mechanism of action is though.

This is interesting to say the least.

a very very small amount of people get a slightly numb tongue.

It's getting in the uncomfortable territory (rising blood pressure), ~0.75 scoop and I get a more "smooth" workout. But I hear ya about not combining with carnosine/BA.

If that dose works don't change it. You could try a small dose of caffeine, 50mgs.

[Sldge]

Definitely on my 'to try list' next to Focus XT.

@Sldge

BTW. If you discontinue Lean Xtreme, I will gut you.

We are definitely not going to discontinue Lean Xtreme. Theres nothing better for losing fat while maintains muscle.