Wikileaks; classic

[xOdin]

Sucks that the world isnt a perfect place, try to make it better.. and not by releasing sensitive documents please

[BlueFenix13S]

then why not support wikileaks?

Because the information that was leaked could cost people their lives, including my brothers in arms.

[Zig_Zag_Man]

His data resided at one point in the US on Amazon's servers. Under a loose interpretation, that establishes temporary allegiance to the U.S. Again, I am not saying this is right. I am saying that, under a loose, thought unjust interpretation, the US could try him on the charge.

I hope to god you are not a lawyer.

[lookingtogrow]

So let's just go with the flow? Or actually expose this bull****?

Exposing this bull**** to the world does nothing but cause conflict between nations, and it does nothing to solve the issue. To eliminate as much corruption as possible, better people need to be put in office, and better laws enacted and enforced.

I agree with exposing corporate corruption...it puts jobs at stake for people involved in the corruption...but exposing certain kinds of government corruption can put thousands of lives at stake who have nothing to do with the corruption in the first place, when it starts a war with other nations.

brb...doing my best to destroy the world for the sake of idealism...

[cphustla]

Sucks that the world isnt a perfect place, try to make it better.. and not by releasing sensitive documents please

Because the information that was leaked could cost people their lives, including my brothers in arms.

he asked the US govt to help him censor his docs, which they denied................

no one yet has been killed in the what 3 years? hes been uploading documents, he wouldnt even be that well known if the media didnt hype him up.

[WolverineGuy]

no, i saw it coming. Its the fact that you see it as right or part of life that has me jacked. Democracy is built on free speech, his free speech is being silenced by the government and you dont have a problem with it... mind full of fck

Free speech =/= releasing classified documents. Release the **** from your mind.

[BrentonJ]

Exposing this bull**** to the world does nothing but cause conflict between nations, and it does nothing to solve the issue. To eliminate as much corruption as possible, better people need to be put in office, and better laws enacted and enforced.

I agree with exposing corporate corruption...it puts jobs at stake for people involved in the corruption...but exposing certain kinds of government corruption can put thousands of lives at stake who have nothing to do with the corruption in the first place, when it starts a war with other nations.

brb...doing my best to destroy the world for the sake of idealism...

but by that the US should never have fought for independence, because it was an ideal at the expense of lives. If such had never occured, then one of the greatest democratic systems the world has ever seen would not have been formed.

That democratic system has been corroded by greed and corruption, if not for events like these, then there would be no hope of a check and a re-balance of the status quo back to the system's honest roots.

[josh83]

Because the information that was leaked could cost people their lives, including my brothers in arms.

Ever heard of don't shoot the messenger?

Shouldn't people be upset at the people that did these things, not the guy that told everyone about it.

[BrentonJ]

Free speech =/= releasing classified documents. Release the **** from your mind.

freedom of the press, freedom of speech, freedom of expression. Its a term mate. And the release of documents already leaked is a part of free speech under that banner. Your daily news does it all the time mate.

[KoCorl]

you honestly think if the information he has is THAT LIFE ALTERING he would still be alive? brb his car drove off a cliff


edit - brb the person who hacked Palin's email is in jail currently..

(I know Assunge was not in US) just sayin

[xOdin]

By op's ideology it sounds like the classification of any information is an obstruction of his rights

[enormousmaggot]

Under Article III, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution, any person who "levies war against the United States or adheres to its enemies by giving them Aid and Comfort has committed treason within the meaning of the Constitution." Aid encompasses releasing classified information to enemies of the U.S., even if the releaser is not a U.S. citizen. Such an offender, during a time of war, is "guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States." His website getting shutdown and bank accounts frozen is the least of his worries.

yeeeeeeeeeeee hawwwwwww

[hittman]

but by that the US should never have fought for independence, because it was an ideal at the expense of lives. If such had never occured, then one of the greatest democratic systems the world has ever seen would not have been formed.

That democratic system has been corroded by greed and corruption, if not for events like these, then there would be no hope of a check and a re-balance of the status quo back to the system's honest roots.

pretty sure that all changed when old herbert gave the power to the federal reserve

[miketheblade]

cliffs on wikileaks what is it?

all i know is some hackers shut down mastercard for what reason?

[AcidRain13]

Because the information that was leaked could cost people their lives, including my brothers in arms.

Why do you say this? Because Obama has said so? The leaks so far have caused 0 deaths. Also, so far Wikileaks has only released information damaging to governments and corporations, not soldiers. I really don't think they are as reckless as some people make them out to be.

The reason they are releasing what they are so far is to hold governments accountable and reveal the true nature of their actions. Therefore I don't think that they will release information that will harm soldiers since it is not in their interests to reveal information that could do this. I don't think that revealing military locations/strategies etc is part of their agenda.

[AcidRain13]

you honestly think if the information he has is THAT LIFE ALTERING he would still be alive? brb his car drove off a cliff


edit - brb the person who hacked Palin's email is in jail currently..

(I know Assunge was not in US) just sayin

even if they kill him, wikileaks wont be stopped. theres other people in wikileaks you know

[BlueFenix13S]

Why do you say this? Because Obama has said so? The leaks so far have caused 0 deaths. Also, so far Wikileaks has only released information damaging to governments and corporations, not soldiers. I really don't think they are as reckless as some people make them out to be.

The reason they are releasing what they are so far is to hold governments accountable and reveal the true nature of their actions. Therefore I don't think that they will release information that will harm soldiers since it is not in their interests to reveal information that could do this. I don't think that revealing military locations/strategies etc is part of their agenda.

You would be surprised what adversaries can piece together from seemingly unrelated bits of information.

[BrentonJ]

By op's ideology it sounds like the classification of any information is an obstruction of his rights

no, as mentioned earlier, the original person responsible for the leak should be tried and punished if found guilty (which he has been). Assange has no part in any illegal activites related (or at best your government would have you believe otherwise through barely tangible links) and yet is being treated with a complete disregard for his rights.

[KoCorl]

even if they kill him, wikileaks wont be stopped. theres other people in wikileaks you know

yea, just sayin if the stuff that could be released was going to break the US apart, you think the people wouldn't be dead and the site be down?

[AcidRain13]

yea, just sayin if the stuff that could be released was going to break the US apart, you think the people wouldn't be dead and the site be down?

1. his death would be far too suspicious
2. the site cannot be taken down when it has over 500 mirrors

[BrentonJ]

cliffs on wikileaks what is it?

all i know is some hackers shut down mastercard for what reason?

-wikileaks have gotten hold of 250,000 classified documents which have been leaked.

-wikileaks has distributed this on the interwebz

-said documents (summaries usually) have been passed on by major media outlets

-most documents seem to be related to diplomatic relations and profiles of foreign powers/identities (some are not favorable)

-US have had wikileaks shut down in the US

-Wikileaks account/funds have been frozen

-Assange, the ceo of wikileaks, has been arrested on thin as fck rape charges by an 'ex'

-Extradition to the US is being sought (where other charges will no doubt follow; some believe these will be dubious charges)

-Assange is fighting extradition from the UK

-Group of hackers have 'defended' assange by hacking into and causing havok for mastercard and other perceived wrong doers of wikileaks

[5x10]

once the fed's undisclosed monterary actions were going to be exposed, the site got taken down

coincidence, i thinkith not

[SoggyChips]

Thought you couldn't censer the media?
brb living in a totalitarian world

[reynaldooo]

lololololol

[Duckenheimer]

So are you suggesting that in...

"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere"

this means that owing allegiance and levying war are mutually exclusive to eachother?

No, and I have no idea how that could make sense or how you came up with it. I'm suggesting the opposite, and provided the law which states so.

That one can levy war without owing allegiance and be charged with treason?

Again, I suggested the opposite; by providing the law which states so.

[GrokTheCube]

You would be surprised what adversaries can piece together from seemingly unrelated bits of information.

No one has been hurt as a result of the disclosures up until this point in the history of the site, and it's been up for a while. Well, the reputations and pride of some scum-sucking politicians, but they don't really count.

The whole "It'll endanger the troops!" line is the same one that has been used every time a big piece of government corruption has been revealed in the past half century or so. Pentagon Papers? Iran-Contra? The government used the same BS lines about these and other exposures of their corruption and ineptitude, because they didn't want to be held accountable.

[MaximusMiscimus]

he asked the US govt to help him censor his docs, which they denied................

no one yet has been killed in the what 3 years? hes been uploading documents, he wouldnt even be that well known if the media didnt hype him up.

So if they already knew that he had this stuff when he asked them to check what he was gonna publish, then why not stop him before he was accused of treason/espionage?


So was Assange purposely vague when he said that he had documents that needed to be censored, not emphasizing that the documents were sensitive? This way, he may have played "jakes on United States, lols" because he didn't give them sufficient motivation to check out what he had.


Or did they want Assange to release the documents for unapparent reasons? An inside job motivated by special interests such as Insurgents offering money to those who undermined US intelligence. A plausible cover-up, with all arrows pointing to Assange(cuz he published them) the insurgents nor the insider would have to worry about repercussions.

[BrentonJ]

No one has been hurt as a result of the disclosures up until this point in the history of the site, and it's been up for a while. Well, the reputations and pride of some scum-sucking politicians, but they don't really count.

The whole "It'll endanger the troops!" line is the same one that has been used every time a big piece of government corruption has been revealed in the past half century or so. Pentagon Papers? Iran-Contra? The government used the same BS lines about these and other exposures of their corruption and ineptitude, because they didn't want to be held accountable.

true spoken. Believe me, as soon as there is even '1' death that has come as result of this leak, it will be paraded on the front page of every news paper..... even then, after all thats gone on, you'd have to wonder if the hypothetical death was even an 'actual' result of the wikileaks documents.

[ev3]

Sucks that the world isnt a perfect place, try to make it better.. and not by releasing sensitive documents please

Make the world better by letting this bull**** continue?

[der311]

Because the information that was leaked could cost people their lives, including my brothers in arms.

The information being leaked "could" cost people lives in iraq and afghanistan but their lives were already at risk when they first went there.