Wow, and christians wonder why they get a bad name....

[Atheist_Prophet]

What makes you think such things give us all a bad name? Or that any of us think we have a bad name?

My "name" is what I make of it ..such things are not influenced by others.

Because it makes people think that your average christian is a creationist.

Its not stupid to be a christian, just a creationist.

[AntonToo]

Actually, Ken Ham is not an extremist. I have met him and bet he is better educated and more open minded than 95% of the members who post here.

He's an hyper idiot my friend. For one has to be an idiot to deny all of what different branches of science completely agree on.

[AntonToo]

also, please tell me you are a creationist, so I can geta good laught..

He is a creationist.

[drewbie 51]

The sad thing is that many people are going to visit that museum. I don't understand how anybody can take things like this seriously. This guy has no evidence what so ever to back up his claims, yet people will listen because, they are weak minded and will use anything to convince themselves that their is a god. It's certainly a lot more comftorble to blindly believe in fundamentalist christian ideas, but to me it just shows how backwards our society is in so many ways.

[Atheist_Prophet]

He is a creationist.

Wow, it is truly amazing the stupidity of these people. If in fact you are a creationist PowerMan2000, you truly are a ****ing idiot. Its funny how you try to use myth to defy proven fact

[AntonToo]

Wow, it is truly amazing the stupidity of these people. If in fact you are a creationist PowerMan2000, you truly are a ****ing idiot. Its funny how you try to use myth to defy proven fact

Now now, slowdown he's not the only one.
Plus I doubt that he actually belives that earth was made in 6 literal days.

I think there are different creationists, literate and illiterate LOL J/K

[AntonToo]

The sad thing is that many people are going to visit that museum. I don't understand how anybody can take things like this seriously. This guy has no evidence what so ever to back up his claims, yet people will listen because, they are weak minded and will use anything to convince themselves that their is a god. It's certainly a lot more comftorble to blindly believe in fundamentalist christian ideas, but to me it just shows how backwards our society is in so many ways.

He'll shut it down or considerably reform it real quick, and the publicity this will bring around will ensure he is know publicly as THE idiot for the rest of his life.

[DanMc]

Because it makes people think that your average christian is a creationist.

Its not stupid to be a christian, just a creationist.

OK but the same could be said for the big bang theory and those that beleive in evolution. There is no more proof for one than there is the other.

[Atheist_Prophet]

OK but the same could be said for the big bang theory and those that beleive in evolution. There is no more proof for one than there is the other.

Yes, there is. Just because you have not examined the scientific evidence, and can not understand it, does not mean it is stupid.

The big bang theory works basically off of the concept of the doppler shift in light generated from the mathematics of the general theory of relativity. If someone says the big bang theory is stupid, they also say that cellphones dont exist, guided missles dont exist and computers dont exist (just to name a few).....

As far as evolution goes, its not so much clear and dry. But all evidene goes to support evolution in one form or another. If someone strictly believes it, such as humans definately came from apes...yah, they are stupid

[Cogar]

OK but the same could be said for the big bang theory and those that beleive in evolution. There is no more proof for one than there is the other.

I agree. For those people who take the time to read the actual scientific literature (not some magazine article in National Geographic), the scientific evidence does not favor evolutionary thought as much as the mainstream media would have you believe.

[Atheist_Prophet]

I agree. For those people who take the time to read the actual scientific literature (not some magazine article in National Geographic), the scientific evidence does not favor evolutionary thought as much as the mainstream media would have you believe.

I am not sure what literature reading, but if it is any journal with respect, you are wrong. Also as I said before, very few evolutionist believe we came from apes.

[DanMc]

Yes, there is. Just because you have not examined the scientific evidence, and can not understand it, does not mean it is stupid.

The big bang theory works basically off of the concept of the doppler shift in light generated from the mathematics of the general theory of relativity. If someone says the big bang theory is stupid, they also say that cellphones dont exist, guided missles dont exist and computers dont exist (just to name a few).....

As far as evolution goes, its not so much clear and dry. But all evidene goes to support evolution in one form or another. If someone strictly believes it, such as humans definately came from apes...yah, they are stupid

What scientific evidence?

Why it someone always assumes what people may or may not have checked into? Simply because they do not believe as they do?

[DanMc]

I agree. For those people who take the time to read the actual scientific literature (not some magazine article in National Geographic), the scientific evidence does not favor evolutionary thought as much as the mainstream media would have you believe.

No it does not and a museum exhibit does not classify as scientific evidence

[Cogar]

Yes, there is. Just because you have not examined the scientific evidence, and can not understand it, does not mean it is stupid.

The big bang theory works basically off of the concept of the doppler shift in light generated from the mathematics of the general theory of relativity. If someone says the big bang theory is stupid, they also say that cellphones dont exist, guided missles dont exist and computers dont exist (just to name a few).....

It may interest you to know that the mathematical equations that show the entire universe being created from nothing (what the scientists call a singularity) led many astrophysicists to believe in God, since something outside of our time-space continuum had to create the event.

Knowing how the theory of relativity works, who is to say how many days it took. For example, a person observing someone traveling at light speed to the Andromeda Galaxy would time the event at 2.2 million years times two for the round trip. However, the person doing the traveling would believe it only took 30 years because their clock tells time differently. Therefore, with time being as "plastic" as it is, who is to say for sure what occurred? It is all relatively recent scientific theory anyway.

[Atheist_Prophet]

What scientific evidence?

Why it someone always assumes what people may or may not have checked into? Simply because they do not believe as they do?

Because I seriously doubt people who say "That dar big bang theory iz stopid" have studied (or could comprehend) the mathematics that predict the big bang theory.

And if someone thinks the big bang theory is stupid (which is different then not believing in it), they are in fact stupid because of the reasons stated before.

[Cogar]

No it does not and a museum exhibit does not classify as scientific evidence

I was agreeing with you and now you are complaining.

[Atheist_Prophet]

It may interest you to know that the mathematical equations that show the entire universe being created from nothing (what the scientists call a singularity) led many astrophysicists to believe in God, since something outside of our time-space continuum had to create the event.

Knowing how the theory of relativity works, who is to say how many days it took. For example, a person observing someone traveling at light speed to the Andromeda Galaxy would time the event at 2.2 million years times two for the round trip. However, the person doing the traveling would believe it only took 30 years because their clock tells time differently. Therefore, with time being as "plastic" as it is, who is to say for sure what occurred? It is all relatively recent scientific theory anyway.

Special relativity does in fact account for time dilation, but do not forget the general relativity (which deals with acceleration) negates the time dilation. As in, while you are moving there is some dilation, but once you fall back to 0 (relativistically) your acceleration to get to zero negates the time dilation.

A singularity is not "nothing" but "everything". If the big bang theory is in fact correct, it would indeed obey the simplest of laws. That being simple harmonic motion.

[DanMc]

I was agreeing with you and now you are complaining.

That was misread as I was not disagreeing with you... but oh well....

[DanMc]

Because I seriously doubt people who say "That dar big bang theory iz stopid" have studied (or could comprehend) the mathematics that predict the big bang theory.

And if someone thinks the big bang theory is stupid (which is different then not believing in it), they are in fact stupid because of the reasons stated before.

Where was it stated that anything was stupid? By anyone otehr than yourself?

I said there is no more evidence to prove one idea over the other.

[Atheist_Prophet]

That was misread as I was not disagreeing with you... but oh well....

I am not sure if you do think the big bang theory is stupid, I understand you are speaking from a non biased view but with your undertones, I get the impression you think the big bang theory is stupid.

If in fact you do. Why do cell phones work, guided missles work, computers work, etc...

[Atheist_Prophet]

Where was it stated that anything was stupid? By anyone otehr than yourself?

I said there is no more evidence to prove one idea over the other.

You had said someone could call the big bang theory as stupid as creationism, but I was retorting that the big bang theory has much physical evidence to support this.

[Cogar]

That was misread as I was not disagreeing with you... but oh well....

OK. No problem. Most everyone is talking past one another in this thread, so why should we be different?

[DanMc]

You had said someone could call the big bang theory as stupid as creationism, but I was retorting that the big bang theory has much physical evidence to support this.

No I said the same could be said ...there is zero actualy evidence of the big bang... no more than this is for anything else... go find me/us a report that proves it.... and don't post again until you have found something so concrete that no one can discount the findings...



You cannot find such a thing...so why hold what others believe against them? Or make such claims as you are stupid if you believe xyz? You pretty much post day on and day out that anyone that does not believe as you do is stupid. This basically makes you close minded and shows a clear lack of understanding in the world around you.

Here is a factual truth for you.... not everyone is going to believe in the same things. This in no way makes anyone better or worse than a person with opposing views.

[AntonToo]

OK but the same could be said for the big bang theory and those that beleive in evolution. There is no more proof for one than there is the other.

Are you kidding? Ofcoarce there is more evidence for evolution and pure fact that earth in more then 6000 years old.
plus you shouldn't tie in big bang with evolution directly.

[Atheist_Prophet]

No I said the same could be said ...there is zero actualy evidence of the big bang... no more than this is for anything else... go find me/us a report that proves it.... and don't post again until you have found something so concrete that no one can discount the findings...



You cannot find such a thing...so why hold what others believe against them? Or make such claims as you are stupid if you believe xyz? You pretty much post day on and day out that anyone that does not believe as you do is stupid. This basically makes you close minded and shows a clear lack of understanding in the world around you.

Here is a factual truth for you.... not everyone is going to believe in the same things. This in no way makes anyone better or worse than a person with opposing views.

There is zero evidence for the big bang is the same as saying there is zero evidence for cell phones being in use....it sounds kind of stupid doesnt it. You will next say there is no physical proof for it, just mathematics.

Well tell me this, there is no physical proof that electrons surround protons and neutrons (the nucleus) in an atom. Atomic theory w/ help from quantum mechanics says this, and we use atomic theory as the basis for chemistry. So does this mean it is logical to say "chemistry is stupid".

We use the big bang theory in cell phones, guided missles and computers....

do you see where I am going?

[DanMc]

Are you kidding? Ofcoarce there is more evidence for evolution and pure fact that earth in more then 6000 years old.
plus you shouldn't tie in big bang with evolution directly.

Show the evidence that proves any one of your ideas in such a way that no one can dispute it.

And why is it after all of the topics about this people still attempt to disprove religious beliefs based on a lack of scientific evidence?

[Cogar]

Are you kidding? Ofcoarce there is more evidence for evolution and pure fact that earth in more then 6000 years old.

Actually, evidence is interpreted based from theories initially proposed by Sir Charles Lyell. People can look at some bones they dig up and interpret them various ways. That does not mean that anyone knows how they really got there or how long they have been sitting there.

plus you shouldn't tie in big bang with evolution directly.

There is no reason not to do so. The universe had to come into existence some way. Either God did it or it happened by chance. (The mathematics state that the entire universe--the mass of millions of stars and planets--emerged from a single point that came into existence out of nothing, since time and that singularity did not exist before that moment.) Then, people have to explain how a living organism that can function and reproduce came into existence out of inorganic chemicals. Although we have been told this for a long time, there is still no proof that it actually occurred. We have mathematical equations used to hypothesize the big bang and related events, but that is about it.

[DanMc]

There is zero evidence for the big bang is the same as saying there is zero evidence for cell phones being in use....it sounds kind of stupid doesnt it. You will next say there is no physical proof for it, just mathematics.

Well tell me this, there is no physical proof that electrons surround protons and neutrons (the nucleus) in an atom. Atomic theory w/ help from quantum mechanics says this, and we use atomic theory as the basis for chemistry. So does this mean it is logical to say "chemistry is stupid".

We use the big bang theory in cell phones, guided missles and computers....

do you see where I am going?

Yes I do so why did you bring this up in the first place.

[AntonToo]

Either God did it or it happened by chance. (The mathematics state that the entire universe--the mass of millions of stars and planets--emerged from a single point that came into existence out of nothing, since time and that singularity did not exist before that moment.)

Big Bang couold be just a concentrated phase of universe, not nescescerly the biggining. There is no evidence that universe has a beginning at all.

Your first statement is wrong, science doesn't belive in "chance" science only belives in umknown variables and reactions, results of which they can only make aprximations about by using statistics.

[Cogar]

There is zero evidence for the big bang is the same as saying there is zero evidence for cell phones being in use....it sounds kind of stupid doesnt it. You will next say there is no physical proof for it, just mathematics.

You have said this before, although it is not consistent with scientific thought. We can measure electromagnetic radiation and produce a device called a cell phone that uses it. We cannot create a singularity and explode it into a universe. Even the astrophysicists admit the theory breaks down as the age of the universe reduces below a fraction of a second. (I forgot the exact amount. I recall that the theory stops working prior to 1^10-32 seconds or something like that.)