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    Originally Posted by M@chin@
    Because it's a religion of a petty mad man who spent his life viciously killing and plundering his way across the middle east and central asia in the name of "peace".

    The bloody decadent life of muhammed is only reason one needs to look down on the savage religion of "peace" and it's misguided followers.
    Yea, thats how it went down. Muhammed just created islam so it would give him justification for visciously killing and plundering around the middle east. I heard that many times also.

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    Haven't read the entire thread but the israeli-palestinian conflict actually has nothing to do with religion. Each religion does not care about the other. In fact Islam respects jews because Jews are also monotheistic and follow many similar laws to the muslims, Ie, hallal and Kashrut. The israeli palestinian conflict is really a conflict of political nationalism, and religion is being used to back both sides. religion should remain completely separate in that the palestinian plight has little to do with Islam or Israeli oppression of Islam, and the Jewish state was not based on Judaism merely as a place for Jews to live, it is not based on any religious values and is a secular state. Religion is being used to encourage and justify extremism and violence where discussion needs to be focussed on politics .
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    Originally Posted by Canadian Nanook
    Haven't read the entire thread but the israeli-palestinian conflict actually has nothing to do with religion. Each religion does not care about the other. In fact Islam respects jews because Jews are also monotheistic and follow many similar laws to the muslims, Ie, hallal and Kashrut. The israeli palestinian conflict is really a conflict of political nationalism, and religion is being used to back both sides. religion should remain completely separate in that the palestinian plight has little to do with Islam or Israeli oppression of Islam, and the Jewish state was not based on Judaism merely as a place for Jews to live, it is not based on any religious values and is a secular state. Religion is being used to encourage and justify extremism and violence where discussion needs to be focussed on politics .

    You always make sense
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    Thus David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and a stone, and he struck the Philistine and killed him; but there was no sword in David’s hand. (1 Samuel 17:50)

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    Originally Posted by Canadian Nanook
    Haven't read the entire thread but the israeli-palestinian conflict actually has nothing to do with religion. In fact Islam respects jews because Jews are also monotheistic and follow many similar laws to the muslims, Ie, hallal and Kashrut.
    lol do you honestly believe that? Someone ban this clown. You make me laugh.

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    Originally Posted by playa hata
    lol do you honestly believe that? Someone ban this clown. You make me laugh.
    Do you know anything about Islam?
    Have you actually read anything from the Koran?
    For many centuries, Muslims were better to the Jews than the chrisitians were. Islam, in the koran says that Jews and christians should be held in a higher light and should be protected because we all believe in one god and are descendants of Abraham. Assuming that Islam as a religion is against Jews and christians based on the actions of a select few extreme muslims, is moronic and down right prejudice. I would like to hear Syrian kid elaborate on this though because i am not learned enough in the Koran to fully explain.
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    Originally Posted by playa hata
    lol do you honestly believe that? Someone ban this clown. You make me laugh.
    WOW, your arguments were SO well thought out and you have added SO much to this discussion.


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    this is not new news ... .they have been fighting over the same BS for how many years?

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    Originally Posted by DanMc
    this is not new news ... .they have been fighting over the same BS for how many years?
    I dunno, but the US has been dealing with fanatical muslims like this since the 1800s.

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    Originally Posted by Aaron_01
    I dunno, but the US has been dealing with fanatical muslims like this since the 1800s.
    really?

    I had no clue
    can you give me some examples
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    Originally Posted by Aaron_01
    I dunno, but the US has been dealing with fanatical muslims like this since the 1800s.
    What???? Sorry dude, but can you show some proof for this??? Because this really doesn't make any sense.

    It was after 1945, that the US actualy started paying attention to the middle east.

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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn
    What???? Sorry dude, but can you show some proof for this??? Because this really doesn't make any sense.

    It was after 1945, that the US actualy started paying attention to the middle east.
    You know that Muslims exist in places outside of South West Asia right?

    Have you ever heard of the Huks from the Philippines? Or the Juramentados who went around killing as many Christians they could find in Southern Philippines.

    The latter was also one of the main reasons the US switched from .38 to .45 for standard sidearm caliber. The .38s wouldn't drop them and a lot of Americans were losing limbs from the Juramentado's Kris.
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    Originally Posted by Canadian Nanook
    Do you know anything about Islam?
    Have you actually read anything from the Koran?
    For many centuries, Muslims were better to the Jews than the chrisitians were. Islam, in the koran says that Jews and christians should be held in a higher light and should be protected because we all believe in one god and are descendants of Abraham. Assuming that Islam as a religion is against Jews and christians based on the actions of a select few extreme muslims, is moronic and down right prejudice. I would like to hear Syrian kid elaborate on this though because i am not learned enough in the Koran to fully explain.

    easy there

    some parts of the muslim world it might be true
    other parts very untrue,

    it also depands on the historical time

    muslims were at times kind to jews other time murdering them by the 10000's
    so you should frame this statment very carefully .\



    Arabs sometimes claim that, as "Semites," they cannot possibly be anti-Semitic. This, however, is a semantic distortion that ignores the reality of Arab discrimination and hostility toward Jews. Arabs, like any other people, can indeed be anti-Semitic.

    The term "anti-Semite" was coined in Germany in 1879 by Wilhelm Marrih to refer to the anti-Jewish manifestations of the period and to give Jew-hatred a more scientific sounding name.(1) "Anti-Semitism" has been accepted and understood to mean hatred of the Jewish people.

    While Jewish communities in Arab and Islamic countries fared better overall than those in Christian lands in Europe, Jews were no strangers to persecution and humiliation among the Arabs and Muslim. As Princeton University historian Bernard Lewis has written: "The Golden Age of equal rights was a myth, and belief in it was a result, more than a cause, of Jewish sympathy for Islam."(2)

    Muhammad, the founder of Islam, traveled to Medina in 622 A.D. to attract followers to his new faith. When the Jews of Medina refused to convert and rejected Muhammad, two of the major Jewish tribes were expelled; in 627, Muhammad's followers killed between 600 and 900 of the men, and divided the surviving Jewish women and children amongst themselves.(3)

    The Muslim attitude toward Jews is reflected in various verses throughout the Koran, the holy book of the Islamic faith. "They [the Children of Israel] were consigned to humiliation and wretchedness. They brought the wrath of God upon themselves, and this because they used to deny God's signs and kill His Prophets unjustly and because they disobeyed and were transgressors" (Sura 2:61). According to the Koran, the Jews try to introduce corruption (5:64), have always been disobedient (5:78), and are enemies of Allah, the Prophet and the angels (2:97*98)


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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_Judaism

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    I am Jewish if you did not know.
    I never said there was no persecution I was pointing out that many places under muslim rule were much better to the Jews than the Christian rulers were. For example, Muslim spain was better to the Jews than christian spain was. Also, throughout the muslim empire, Jews were able to rise in ranks, many sultans had Jews for doctors and advisors whereas it would be forbidden in Christian kingdoms. According specifically to the Koran, Jews are monotheists and should not be harmed. Most of the extreme hate against Judaism comes specifically from extremists and it is not based on factual religious doctrine.
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    Originally Posted by Canadian Nanook
    Haven't read the entire thread but the israeli-palestinian conflict actually has nothing to do with religion. Each religion does not care about the other. In fact Islam respects jews because Jews are also monotheistic and follow many similar laws to the muslims, Ie, hallal and Kashrut. The israeli palestinian conflict is really a conflict of political nationalism, and religion is being used to back both sides. religion should remain completely separate in that the palestinian plight has little to do with Islam or Israeli oppression of Islam, and the Jewish state was not based on Judaism merely as a place for Jews to live, it is not based on any religious values and is a secular state. Religion is being used to encourage and justify extremism and violence where discussion needs to be focussed on politics .

    Keep making threads like this, they are good for entertainment value.



    The trees and the rocks say "Oh Moslem, come kill this Jew, he is hiding behind me" is a lovable little paraphrase, from Islamic lore. Israeli oppression? Israel has had to fight 5 wars against 22 Arab psychotic dictatorships. The land they are "occupying" was captured in war initiated by Arabs.


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    Originally Posted by PowerSwede
    WOW, your arguments were SO well thought out and you have added SO much to this discussion.

    u a clown, you didnt read of any of my prior posts. Someone ban this dude.

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    Originally Posted by playa hata
    u a clown, you didnt read of any of my prior posts. Someone ban this dude.
    Actually i did read your previous posts, your arguments come down to "muslims are bad, mmmkay, now ban everyone who don't agree".

    Every religion has their fair share of fantatical idiots, Islam is no exception.

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    Originally Posted by TranceNRG
    his disrespect for Jews is not based on Islam.
    It's the effect of oppression and the environment he was raised under.
    Really.... What layer of hell does Islam condemn Jews to? Isn’t it the one right bellow Christians and right above child molesters?

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    Originally Posted by Renegade Master
    Really.... What layer of hell does Islam condemn Jews to? Isn’t it the one right bellow Christians and right above child molesters?
    Maybe the same layer of hell you believe protestants will go to?

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    Originally Posted by PowerSwede
    Maybe the same layer of hell you believe protestants will go to?
    There are no lawyers of hell. And those who reject Jesus Christ will be rejected before the gates of heaven.

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    Originally Posted by Renegade Master
    There are no lawyers of hell. And those who reject Jesus Christ will be rejected before the gates of heaven.
    How about protestants? They don't reject Jesus Christ now do they?

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    Originally Posted by PowerSwede
    How about protestants? They don't reject Jesus Christ now do they?
    Yes they do, in all kinds of way. Most basically they reject his teachings as they reject his church. Therefore they are rejecting Jesus Christ. They follow a church created by a man. Christians follow the church created by Jesus Christ.

    Rejection of his church is a rejection of Jesus Christ himself.

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    thanks powerswede
    I don't bother though.

    It's pointless talking to a wall
    And David said, "The Lord who delivered me from the paw of the lion and from the paw of the bear, He will deliver me from the hand of this Philistine." And Saul said to David, "Go, and may the Lord be with you." (1 Samuel 17:37)

    Thus David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and a stone, and he struck the Philistine and killed him; but there was no sword in David’s hand. (1 Samuel 17:50)

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    Originally Posted by Renegade Master
    Yes they do, in all kinds of way. Most basically they reject his teachings as they reject his church. Therefore they are rejecting Jesus Christ. They follow a church created by a man. Christians follow the church created by Jesus Christ.

    Rejection of his church is a rejection of Jesus Christ himself.
    LOL, you're always good for a laugh.

    I hope you don't fall off your high horse pureblood, the fall would kill you.

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    Originally Posted by TranceNRG
    thanks powerswede
    I don't bother though.

    It's pointless talking to a wall
    This guy is the slavic equivalent of Bin Ladin, him and his pureblood brothers are going to conquer the world, just you wait and see.

    Actually i'm just making fun of him.

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    Originally Posted by Renegade Master
    Yes they do, in all kinds of way. Most basically they reject his teachings as they reject his church. Therefore they are rejecting Jesus Christ. They follow a church created by a man. Christians follow the church created by Jesus Christ.

    Rejection of his church is a rejection of Jesus Christ himself.
    ??????? this guy keeps surprizing me in every single thread...

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    Originally Posted by deeyala
    ??????? this guy keeps surprizing me in every single thread...
    You and me both!

    Islam+Christians+Jews against Renegade Master!!!

    jk jk lol
    NSCA-CPT.

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    Originally Posted by Renegade Master
    Yes they do, in all kinds of way. Most basically they reject his teachings as they reject his church. Therefore they are rejecting Jesus Christ. They follow a church created by a man. Christians follow the church created by Jesus Christ.

    Rejection of his church is a rejection of Jesus Christ himself.
    Just curious here. We have already established that you are Orthodox Christian. We have established your views on Protestants. Where does this leave Catholics? I'm not trying to insult you, just curious.

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    Originally Posted by KhanPaulsen
    You and me both!

    Islam+Christians+Jews against Renegade Master!!!

    jk jk lol
    Heeey, you forgot the atheists.

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    Originally Posted by PowerSwede
    Heeey, you forgot the atheists.
    I think we could say...

    World Against Renegade Master


    Even the Dalai Lama (Check the spelling, I KNOW that is wrong, someone please fix it) is against THAT. :-p
    NSCA-CPT.

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    It is a racist message, but it is true. Only a small portion of jews are corrupt and pure evil just like any other human category.

    The jews' zionist movement did provoke Hitler and caused WW2.

    There is even evidence that 9/11 happened because the jews wanted it to happen. Who benifited the most of 9/11? If you find that, you will find the real criminals.

    Has anybody seen this good news site?

    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com


    I've been going there for over 2 years now and its 85% correct. The propaganda american media comes in late with the truth. This site tells the news you would hear on media channels 2 months later, if even at all.

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