Is God worthy of praise/worship?

[Titania]

I guarantee that if you two did a Christian theology face off, Ruhanv would blow you out of the water with his knowledge.

Christian theology from a man made perspective has nothing to do with communication with the Holy Spirit and, thus, little relevance to my faith.

[Ruhanv]

Clearly you do not understand the things of God. I was once in your shoes too and had the same understanding (or lack thereof).
Nothing I can say will change your mind (only your acceptance of the Holy Spirit can do that) and nothing you can say will change my relationship with God.

I do not post my experiences for the benefit of those who have no desire to learn. Instead, I post for the sake of those who are seeking and for the encouragement of those who have had their eyes and ears opened.

I judge nobody (that is God's domain) but I discern based on fruits and I love everyone (including you) equally.
First and foremost, I love my Creator and I thank Jesus Christ for providing the means for the Holy Spirit to become the personal guide of the faithful in Christ.

There is hope for all to see and hear in spirit right up until their very last breath and it is the for the sake of that hope in others that I share what I have been given to share.

I was once in your shoes too.

[scuffler]

Well those were two deities which were worshipped by the Northern and Southern Canaanites respectively. They only became known as the same deity after the Assyrian invasion in the 6th century BC.

You put the puzzle together, it means Eternal Creator. That is the God I speak of. The one who knew you when you were in your mothers tummy.

[Ruhanv]

Christian theology from a man made perspective has nothing to do with communication with the Holy Spirit and, thus, little relevance to my faith.

Well what you just described is Christian theology...

But evangelical Christians do use the whole "the Holy Spirit spoke to me" to get around any logical inconsistencies.

[Ruhanv]

You put the puzzle together, it means Eternal Creator. That is the God I speak of. The one who knew you when you were in your mothers tummy.

There are thousands of gods and most claim that title.

[Titania]

But evangelical Christians do use the whole "the Holy Spirit spoke to me" to get around any logical inconsistencies.

Naturally!

[scuffler]

There are thousands of gods and most claim that title.

But only one raised Jesus from the dead.

[Ruhanv]

But only one raised Jesus from the dead.

Jesus' body was moved. His bones are buried somewhere outside Jerusalem.

[Titania]

[scuffler]

Jesus' body was moved. His bones are buried somewhere outside Jerusalem.

Lol, hey man they no longer make hamburgers because all the cows are gone. That is basically what you just said.

[ObedEdom]

But evangelical Christians do use the whole "the Holy Spirit spoke to me" to get around any logical inconsistencies.

<<<< evangelical Pentecostal

how so?

I promise to not answer in tongues

[Titania]

Lol, hey man they no longer make hamburgers because all the cows are gone. That is basically what you just said.

My friend, it's a good thing there are those who are truly born of the Spirit here in this topic and others who are seeking and reading this. Otherwise I would point here.....

Mat 7:6 "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.

For us though....

Php 3:17 Join with others in following my example, brothers, and take note of those who live according to the pattern we gave you.
Php 3:18 For, as I have often told you before and now say again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ.
Php 3:19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is on earthly things.
Php 3:20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,
Php 3:21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.

[rotarnomore]

What's the current population of the earth? Around 7 billion or so people.
The Holy Spirit has made me aware of why there's only 144,000 mentioned in Revelation and that awareness is reflected in the diversity of free will choices displayed in this section of bb.com.

God truly is patient. Much more so than I am!!

Unfortunately for you, the 144,000 people spoken of in revelations are all males not defiled by women (revelations 14:1 through 14:4).

[powerman2000]

i give thanks continuously.

To who?

[Titania]

Unfortunately for you, the 144,000 people spoken of in revelations are all males not defiled by women (revelations 14:1 through 14:4).

So you're attempting to say that women will not be saved?

[scuffler]

To who?

Earlier he says he is thanful but thanks no one for it. I guess everything he has or has obtained has been on his own. So al the credit just has to go to himself.

[scuffler]

Unfortunately for you, the 144,000 people spoken of in revelations are all males not defiled by women (revelations 14:1 through 14:4).

LOL, Not! You should have continued your study

144,000
Are sealed by an angel of God
Are specially selected from the tribes of Israel
Stand on Mount Zion with "a Lamb"
Have the Father's name written on their foreheads
Sing a new song no one else can sing
Are redeemed from the earth
Are called "virgins"
Are not defiled with women (false churches)
Are considered the firstfruits of God's harvest
Are guileless and without fault


Apparently you forgot some didnt you?



BTW - The Bible often refers to the churches as "women"

[Titania]

LOL, Not! You should have continued your study

144,000
Are sealed by an angel of God
Are specially selected from the tribes of Israel
Stand on Mount Zion with "a Lamb"
Have the Father's name written on their foreheads
Sing a new song no one else can sing
Are redeemed from the earth
Are called "virgins"
Are not defiled with women (false churches)
Are considered the firstfruits of God's harvest
Are guileless and without fault


Apparently you forgot some didnt you?



BTW - The Bible often refers to the churches as "women"

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to scuffler again.

lol

[rotarnomore]

So you're attempting to say that women will not be saved?

14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps
14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
From the KJV
I assume this is the 144,000 saved people you mentioned earlier. But don't worry, I'm in the same boat as you. I've been defiled by women over and over and over.....

[ObedEdom]

Unfortunately for you, the 144,000 people spoken of in revelations are all males not defiled by women (revelations 14:1 through 14:4).

So you're attempting to say that women will not be saved?

strict literal translation = narrow minded doctrine

I wonder if the defiling may be referring to relations with whore of Babylon?

things get real screwed up when you look through a peep hole, folks

[powerman2000]

Jesus' body was moved. His bones are buried somewhere outside Jerusalem.

Really?

Where's the evidence for that?

[Titania]

strict literal translation = narrow minded doctrine

I wonder if the defiling may be referring to relations with whore of Babylon?

things get real screwed up when you look through a peep hole, folks

Amen brother!

[rotarnomore]

LOL, Not! You should have continued your study

144,000
Are sealed by an angel of God
Are specially selected from the tribes of Israel
Stand on Mount Zion with "a Lamb"
Have the Father's name written on their foreheads
Sing a new song no one else can sing
Are redeemed from the earth
Are called "virgins"
Are not defiled with women (false churches)
Are considered the firstfruits of God's harvest
Are guileless and without fault


Apparently you forgot some didnt you?



BTW - The Bible often refers to the churches as "women"

At best, an "interpretation" on your part. Even taking your statement "not defiled with women" still doesn't lead me to conclude "defiled by false women" which then you took another leap and came up with "not defiled by false churches".

[scuffler]

14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps
14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
From the KJV
I assume this is the 144,000 saved people you mentioned earlier. But don't worry, I'm in the same boat as you. I've been defiled by women over and over and over.....

14:4- if you wil do a quick study you will see this is addressing spiritual adultry. It is not talking about a human virgin by any means, not many of them left. lol THis is symbolic for their purity in holding fast to God's Word. Spiritual things are hard to understand and discern when one tries to understand with their own mind.See in a nutshell their hearts are right with God.


Who wil see God? Only those that are pure in heart and dont lift up their hearts to any idols.^^^

[Titania]

At best, an "interpretation" on your part. Even taking your statement "not defiled with women" still doesn't lead me to conclude "defiled by false women" which then you took another leap and came up with "not defiled by false churches".

It is pointless attempting to convince a child of God that God's wisdom is inferior to man's wisdom. You are only convincing yourself and others who are not part of the unity in Christ.

[rotarnomore]

I always find it interesting when someone picks out a "bad verse". Why does everyone scramble to interpret it into something more politically correct for the current culture and time. I wonder what answer I would have gotten, say 500 years ago.

[scuffler]

At best, an "interpretation" on your part. Even taking your statement "not defiled with women" still doesn't lead me to conclude "defiled by false women" which then you took another leap and came up with "not defiled by false churches".

Read post 84 for more understanding

[scuffler]

I always find it interesting when someone picks out a "bad verse". Why does everyone scramble to interpret it into something more politically correct for the current culture and time. I wonder what answer I would have gotten, say 500 years ago.

If you studied the Bible and with the Holy Spirits Guidance you would have got the same one I got. lol

[Titania]

I always find it interesting when someone picks out a "bad verse". Why does everyone scramble to interpret it into something more politically correct for the current culture and time. I wonder what answer I would have gotten, say 500 years ago.

That all depends where you seek the answer. If you are seeking from the source, you'd get the same answer we do.
God is the same yesterday, today and forever.

[Ruhanv]

If you studied the Bible and with the Holy Spirits Guidance you would have got the same one I got. lol

Except we have over 10 000 denominations and they all got to different conclusions...