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Thread: Warrior Diet Experiment
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02-04-2009, 02:55 AM #211
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02-04-2009, 02:57 PM #212
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Wednesday
Woke up today feeling great. Almost done re-reading the warrior diet book, missed a lot. The first time through I read it real quick, only getting the diet part down, not so much history or the in-depth theory behind the diet.
Did my work out at 3:30-4:20. Back, Biceps, Calves
Lifts:
Pulldowns 2 x 12 (130)
Cable Rows 2 x 12 (100)
Hyperextensions 2 x 12 (45 plate held on chest)
Barbell Curls 6 reps at 70-5 reps at 60-3 reps at 50- 4 reps at 40 - 5 reps at 30
(Did a drop set on the bicep to really burn them out, didn't feel like doing dumbell work today)
Seated Calf Rasies 2x12 (180)
HITT cardio afterwards for 22 mins, absolutely dead afterwards.
Meal:
Salad with blue cheese dressing, cucumbers, tomatos.
Three hot dogs, no buns, a little bit of fries.
Beef teriyaki with brown rice and a LARGE assortment of veggies.
2 slices of cheese pizza
Apple, Banana
Appetite clearly way up from the past few days. Not a bad feeling however. I feel great right now, not too full, but satisfied.
Great day overall. I got into the honors program at my university and the semester has been going great.
Looking forward to hearing about everyone else's progress!Warrior Diet experimenter
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02-04-2009, 03:11 PM #213
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I think I am going to give the book a re-read.
Great workout, and I love the food you ate. I look forward to the day I can be a little less strict...which is 80 pounds from now
I felt like crap today until 2 pm. Still some lingering sickness, but when my WD time came, I felt 10 times better and had a great workout.
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02-04-2009, 03:38 PM #214
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Yeah, I was so excited about the benefits and results others had with the WD, that I jumped in real quick. The re-reading has only solidified my interest and passion for following the lifestyle.
Glad your feeling better. Sometimes I feel I need to get my macros more in line, but my body usually lets me know....that or It's a lack of water. I drink a lot of water. At least 1.5-2 gallons a day, which is maddness for most, but I pee a lot and I'm always thirsty.
I enjoyed my dinner for the first time in a while. Went on a wrap binge there for a while. Wraps get old real fast.
Take it easy everyone.Warrior Diet experimenter
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02-04-2009, 03:56 PM #215
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02-04-2009, 04:50 PM #216
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02-04-2009, 06:07 PM #217
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02-04-2009, 06:14 PM #218
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Matt,
Cardio for me, HITT and Long state cardio are both more refreshing, easier and 'lighter' in the fact that I have no food to make me feel weighted down, or throw up.
I don't think I ever want to do cardio with food in my stomach again. I've never had a 'good' cardio workout with food in my stomach.
If anything, it's only helping speed up my fat loss process. I like training my heart as well, it helps with demanding lifts.
So no problems for me personally, and it's better than most cardio which is done with small amounts of food.Warrior Diet experimenter
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02-04-2009, 06:57 PM #219
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Matt -
Been on the Warrior Diet for the start of my fifth week. I usually do cardio on my workout days which is typically 3-4 times per week for 20-30 minutes. Sometimes I perform cardio before I lift (on leg days to warm everything up) and sometimes after (if I am doing upper body). Either way I have had no issues, and if anything this is the best I have felt doing cardio in a long time. I agree with longboarder all the way... working out to include cardio fasted has been great to me.
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02-04-2009, 10:21 PM #220
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02-05-2009, 10:10 AM #221
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Bodyfat update
Today I was curious how much bf I lost, but a lot of calculators are faulty or ridiculous (one said I was 32% bodyfat? I'd look much heavier, that's for sure).
Regardless, the first one I used was the navy's body fat online calculator, my first reading was 22.7% (at the start of december), then I did a standard cutting diet till the end of my winter break pretty much, I checked Dec 30th (right when I made my bodyspace), and I was only down to 22.0%. Jan 16th I started my WD experiment. Tommorow is three weeks and I was wondering what my percentages are.
Offically, using the same calculator as the site I first took measurements, I'm down to 19.9% which is 2.1 percent body fat lost in 3 weeks on the WD. I only lost .7 bf % in the 5 weeks I had over my winter break using a regular cutting diet 6-7 meals a day with a 4 day split.
I am doubtful over the accuracies of these calculators, but at least I used the same one so it's consistant at least (The loss that is) the bf% could be lower or higher.
I've gained weight (assuming muscle and water weight gains), and lost bf%. I'm pretty amped. Looking forward to more results from everyone! This is very encouraging.Warrior Diet experimenter
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02-05-2009, 11:29 AM #222
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Longboarder -
You prophecies of 4 day splits are coming true. My body is telling me to rest more, it left me a sticky note this morning. It said, "jrhudak, please cut your routine to 3 days a week plus cardio as that is what I run optimally on. This 4 day split is overtraining me."
My biggest dilemma is the fact that I have a workout partner involved. His goals are clearly different then mine which makes it tough for me to train how I would like to. There are great benefits of training with a partner, but he is adament about finishing out this 22 week program that we are on week 5 of. For the remaining 17 weeks, it will be a 4 day split of Upper Body Mon,Thur and Lower Body Tue/Fri. As I said before, I like a 3 day split, ideally full body as I react the best to this style...
What to do, what to do *sigh*
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02-05-2009, 02:56 PM #223
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Great job bro.
Check out this skin fold caliper...it is cheap and works well.
Then plug the numbers into HERE...
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02-05-2009, 02:57 PM #224
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02-05-2009, 03:17 PM #225
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Ah, too bad! You'd figure more is better, but there is the 'sweet spot' in everything I suppose. 3 day splits work out much better for me. Is it possible to change your program to a 3 day split while spotting your friend on the day off? (Maybe you can do cardio as he finishes lifts that don't need spotting perhaps?)
I would talk to him about the rest you need, as you won't be receiving any benefits from over-training, it'll do more harm than good. Unless you can get more rest somehow, I would switch to a 3-day split, and limit cardio to 4-5 days a week, and have two solid days of rest and good eating.
Explaining how your body needs rest to your workout-partner would be best in this situation, and if they can't understand your needs as a lifting partner, you shouldn't be working out with them! They're not thinking about you, only themselves. I doubt this will be the case, I'm sure there's a compromise you two can figure out.Last edited by longboarder89; 02-05-2009 at 03:21 PM.
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02-05-2009, 03:20 PM #226
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Sometimes I follow 12-week programs, but I never follow them well, it's more or less guidelines...and I tweak them, lots. I like trying new things.
My cardio this morning was HITT but I approached it in a different way, and again thought of Ori's advice of listening to the body. Instead of timed-intervals for work/rest, I simply listened to my body. When I felt I was almost recovered I would have a work session, when I felt I couldn't anymore (lots of pain), I would have a good rest session.
Needless to say, this is the best cardio workout I ever had, and when I felt like I couldn't do anymore it had been about 17 mins, and I did a 3 min cool-down. Perfect.Warrior Diet experimenter
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02-05-2009, 03:50 PM #227
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If I wasn't a stereotypical 'poor college kid' I'd love to buy these.
I'll stick with free bf% readings and the mirror for now (till I can afford them), but thank you for the suggestion. I'm pretty sure I have a whopping $10.13 in my checking account. College is damn expensive these days.
Quick Edit for my meal for tonight (really small amount today...hmm)
The usual Salad with lite Italian dressing, tomatos and cucumbers
Wheat Wrap with turkey, ham, salami, honey mustard and lettuce.
1.5 hot dogs (things are damn salty, couldn't finish the second one), and tiny bit of spanish rice and beans (one scoop of a spoon).
Tiny portion of french fries, and buttered corn (hardly a handful of each).
Everything was damn salty tonight at the cafe, so needless to say, I was really thirsty, downed 4 (8oz) cups of water after wards.
This is a really small meal for me. I doubt this hits 1000 calories, but I'm full. Whatever the body says...today wasn't a lift day so I'm not too worried...that and my body is naturally "zig-zagging" calories like crazy so I guess this isn't a bad thing. Zig zagging worked well when I first started to lift.Last edited by longboarder89; 02-05-2009 at 04:05 PM.
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02-05-2009, 04:26 PM #228
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02-05-2009, 05:04 PM #229
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I actually have a vacation coming up after next week where I will be away for two weeks. That might be a great time to transition away from his workout...
He actually cancelled this morning's workout on me since he said he was too beat up. Maybe he is naturally gravitating to 3 day split himself. I worked him pretty good with Romanian Deadlifts on Wednesday's workout. Maybe that is the trickI eat your 6 meals a day in one feast
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02-05-2009, 05:57 PM #230
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I'm in the exact same boat as you mate! When I feel fresh I'll add in extra sprint intervals, when I'm sore I'll jog long distance. The only thing that I keep track of is my distance. As long as I do 5 km (~3.2 miles) a day I don't really care how I did it.
This WD lifestyle is just a dream ain't it? It's like "I do whatever I damn feel like!" but within reasons. We are still lifting weights and running our asses off day after day BUT we don't do it according to a 'program'. We do it because it feels right.
I've taken days off during the week for recovery whenever I feel exhausted. I no longer training on a strict schedule. No Monday-Legs, Tuesday-bla bla... As long as I train 26 out of 30 days in a month I'm happy. Although I still keep my workout logs to see if I'm progressing.
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02-05-2009, 08:08 PM #231
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No worries fatdaddy hahaha. Paying for college by yourself is tough. I saved up a decent amount and I also have work-study, as well as having a good chunk of aid...still tough in these times though. I hope I can get through every year without worrying about having enough money to get an education.
With the warrior diet though I switched my meal plan to 7 meals a week (from 14), so it fits perfectly, and saves me a decent chunk of money (about half of what I paid for last semester). I buy little healthy snacks to store in my room too, like almonds and some fruit once in a while when I take the walk to the store. It's worked out great so far. I'm going to have my roomate take pictures for me this weekend so it's easier than me holding a camera. I'll edit them together so it's easier to compare.
The zig-zagging is good I assume though. Thinking that the body needs a constant stream of proportioned ratios is kind of ridiculous when you think about it. The body and the world as well, is always changing. I doubt there is a secret 'ratio' of macros one needs.
You know, the more I take the advice ori gives about listening to your body, the more I realize how profoundly insightful it is towards life. It's so simple and yet no one really advocates this, it's more or less "xy and z are the correct ways to workout/eat, and another dude will yell no!.... z y then x is correct...etc". The whole idea genious really. To paraphrase Einstien: An idiot can make something complicated, but a wise man can make things simpler. Occam's razor, if you will.Last edited by longboarder89; 02-05-2009 at 08:33 PM.
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02-05-2009, 08:15 PM #232
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Romanian Deadlifts are insane. I love them, but hate them at the same time. They're fun to do, but the soreness and absolutle will power you need to muscle through a good set is hell.
I'd suggest taking at least a good 4-5 days off. Hell, enjoy your whole vacation. Eat well (but clean), rest, and enjoy yourself. Come back with a good vengence for your workouts, and you'll see great results.
Good to see your workout partner though realizes that a 4 day split is not good for gains unless your juicing. Then you can go 6 days a week......Warrior Diet experimenter
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02-05-2009, 08:17 PM #233
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I don't do distance, it's always different, I just go till I feel exahusted, which apparently is around 20 mins right now.
That's not a bad idea, however I don't know if I could be that flexible with my workouts....I do mon.wed.fri split right now, and it works out great. I do cardio 6 days a week (which I might scale down a bit on....), but I've been good. Only 3 session are HITT for 20 mins. I eat like a king.
I love this lifestyle. Warrior diet seems a little cheesy, but hey. I'm a warrior then I guess.Warrior Diet experimenter
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02-05-2009, 08:35 PM #234
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the basic principles of this diet are wrong it seems to me.atm im a 16 year old male 6,2 that is 222 pounds so im pretty overweight ive been having lots of success with keeping my metabolism high working out about 3 hours a day and consuming 1800-1900 calories per day
HIIT raises your heart rate so if you ate your big meal with your metabolism supershocked it could be effective but idk how your metabolism could be increased that much when your body is in starvation modeLast edited by neverfinished; 02-05-2009 at 08:38 PM.
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02-05-2009, 09:12 PM #235
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At 16, you don't need to really 'diet' this way. It wouldn't be suggested. A lot of people even think that as a 19 year old that might be too young still. Don't worry about advanced nutrition or eating correct marcos down to the right calorie.
Lift hard, work hard, and you'll get results. Your very young, so good for you starting out early. Eat clean and keep your calorie intake right where you need it (I'd say if your 222 pounds, you'd want at least 2000 calories a day with exercise in there.) You'll gain great muscle, and as long as you work at it you'll drop the fat easy. Your hormones and body are still developing (as are mine, just much slower at this point) so you have an advantage.
I'd say eating 4-5 meals a day is enough for you, I wouldn't go crazy splitting it up into 6-7 meals if you want to do the 'standard' bodybuilding diet.
As for this diet being "wrong", It only seems 'wrong' because of what you've read. It is a very controversial diet and many people are against it, but as our logs have show on this board, we're getting results. Defining what is 'healthy' and 'unhealthy' is very subjective (different for all people), so it's not correct to really assume one thing is 'wrong' or 'right', but what works best for each person. I did the standard diet for over a year and lost a decent amount of weight. It works, but it drove me crazy eating all day. I spent a lot of money on stuff too, that I didn't really need. The basic principle of this diet works on the CNS system, namely the sympathetic and para-sympathetic part of the CNS system. The sympathetic system is the "fight or flight" response which heighens a persons awareness, and as Ori states puts us in "warrior mode". This is usually activated during the day to help us respond to our enviornment more efficently. The para-sympathetic is the 'relaxation' part of the nervous system. This is activated when we eat large amounts, and usually is activated after dark. The point is to fast/undereat (not starve...this is a misconception), for 12-16 hours to help the body completely clean, digest, and oxidize fat in the bloodstream (basically, burning fat during the day). Then overeat clean amounts of food till your full after you break your fast. Your not starving till about 24-72 hours later, again it depends on the person.
I believe the paranoia over catabolism (when your body breaks down muslce for fuel) is because people want to sell you products. If it were as fast as people say, we'd have very little muscle as it is. The human body is incredibly complex, and everyone is different. Having only one approach, and one way of eating is ridiculous to say "this is the way to eat". Obviously everyone is different in the real world as well. Someone needs bigger clothes where others need smaller clothes...no one would ever dare say that one size (actually) fits all, and well. I hope this makes sense, it's a very basic over-view of what the Warrior diet aims for...reading the book will help you understand more.
Again, I'd stick to the BB.com articles in the teen section. Train hard, your young, you can afford to make mistakes now and fix them later. Learn for yourself what works and doesn't, you'll find your niche soon enough and get towards your goals.
Good luck bud.Last edited by longboarder89; 02-05-2009 at 09:22 PM.
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02-06-2009, 07:24 AM #236
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[QUOTE=longboarder89;284628121]
I'd suggest taking at least a good 4-5 days off. Hell, enjoy your whole vacation. Eat well (but clean), rest, and enjoy yourself. Come back with a good vengence for your workouts, and you'll see great results.
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I am flying out to California to visit the in-laws and going down to Disney for my daughter. While in Disney I will not work out... no gym in the hotel. I will probably just keep doing my cardio and of course stay on the WD. I love that it's so easy to implement in a variety of situations. I think when I come back I will switch it up to a three day 5x5 split for a whileI eat your 6 meals a day in one feast
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02-06-2009, 07:27 AM #237
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I know this has been linked a billion times already in the main forum here we go again... http://www.theiflife.com/2008/11/05/...ur-metabolism/
I eat your 6 meals a day in one feast
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02-06-2009, 11:53 AM #238
I havent posted in a while because my week has been absolutely insane. I cheated a bit last weekend because it was the super bowl and in turn I actually had a tough time strictly sticking to the diet on monday and tuesday after the cheat day. Not that I ate unhealthy, but I found myself just picking at food throughout the day. I made it my duty to get back on track on wednesday and since then I've been good. Since I can say I went off the diet for a few days there I definitely noticed a difference in how I felt. I didn't eat every 2-3 hrs per say but I did feel very sluggish, and my trips to the gym were very unenthusiastic. I also noticed that eating only makes you want to eat more. But since Wednesday that has all changed. I find the pumps I get while following the WD are absolutely insane. I use animal pump and I always saw results from it, but now they are unbelievable. The pumps honestly last over 24hrs. Besides the pump my strength it seems is ever increasing which totally blows my mind because that was the part of the diet I was a bit skeptical of. I think going off the diet for a few days may have actually helped me mentally in a way. I wasn't quite sure if it was that diet that was working for me, or if it was a "placebo" type effect that I was feeding my mind. Now I'm positive its the diet that gave me the increased energy, and just a better overall feeling of well being.
I'm starting a new program on monday and I'm going to start logging my results in here just so I can track my strength increases...
Have a good weekend everybody.
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02-06-2009, 12:21 PM #239
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Glad to hear back from you... Don't feel bad. I had a similar experience yesterday. I went to a client luncheon and I could not just sit there while everyone ate so I had a small meal with them. This was the firt time in 5 weeks I had anything to eat during the undereating phase and it f'd me all up. Just like you said it only made me hungrier. Since I ate the one meal during undereating, I went home and ate lighter during the overeating phase. Needless to say, my workout suffered this morning because of it. I am back today and have an even greater appreciation for the energy I have by fasting during the day and feasting at night.
I too will switch programs after I return from vaca. I look forward to seeing your progress.I eat your 6 meals a day in one feast
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02-06-2009, 02:13 PM #240
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all good and interesting points but i actually enjoy the eating all day thing.mainly what i do is i have 1 of my main meals a day then a snack in between so in the end i have 3 meals and 3 snacks and im never hungry throughout the whole day ive reworked my diet 4 times so far and ive got it pretty good but the last tihng i need to do is include more grains and vegetables which is going to be quite easy because right now my diet only has 1550 calories in it so ive been adding random foods to boost it up too 1800-2000 but they arent always good foods so in the interest of being more realistic with my bodys needs (especially with 3 hours workin out a day) ima have to do an overhaul soon.again i see what you mean after reading that blog post in the link below but the dynamics of the warrior diet just would not work for me.Gl with it tho i think everyone should do what fits them best because as you said the human body is so complex theres many roads to our many destinations and all that matters is we all make it where we are goin.stick with it tho if it works for you
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