COPS (PIGS) Don't give a FUKC about you.

[NJPump]

Sorry, but I do and will maintain the right to defend myself. If you feel you are smarter than the founding fathers you are DEFINITELY in the wrong line of work lol.

No you should def have the right to bear arms. I have no doubts in that and believe in that for sure. But carryin a concealed weapon and not being a trained officer can be dangerous. If you take it for any reason you have a good chance at getting shot. Sadly some off duty officers are killed like this. Just be careful thats all im saying.

[burlyman619]

Drug laws are ruining lives every day. That's not a fact?

Drug laws no, drugs yes.

[Beteroffalone]

Just be careful thats all im saying.

Fair enough on that point man.

[burlyman619]

It's a fact that our prisons are overrun with non-violent and victimless crime offenders.

What types of crimes are those folks in for? I ask because I want to know what you consider non-violent and victimless...

[rizoN17]

thats a typical argument by someone who is pro drug.

Please explain how you stop somebody from being murdered, sexually asaulted, or robbed... You come up with a theory to protect people before something happens.

I have a couple ideas... but it's probably expensive

1. Give everyone a personal force field that automatically triggers when sexual predators are around.
2. Create a device that reads minds of predators, thieves/robbers, killers... etc. And when the thought occurs... arrest them for premeditation.

See where I am going with this? Your argument won't work, you can't invest money into stopping people on people crimes. It's the parents job to raise someone to have the values and morals not to do such things, also it's partially the medias job and society.\

And guess what... we do have rehabilitation programs for drug offenders... do you think it works all the time?

So, since we can't stop true criminals- rapists and murderers, we must label non-criminals as criminals, just to meet a quota?

[Strongsn]

cops cant really do much about stuff they are not everywhere all the time

[burlyman619]

Do some research into the subject. See how much of citizens' money goes to this "war on drugs". A prohibition which is an even larger failure than the alcohol prohibition.

Now, end the war on drugs and instead invest this money into a more needed operation- say a war on sexual assault, murder, theft, etc. Instead of throwing crackheads in jail, try putting them into a rehabilitation program. This way, they won't be turned into a criminal by being put in jail.

What you'd have is a happier and safer United States. But with the current status of our government, "happy" and "safe" aren't realistic values.

So are you saying that we should stop the war on drugs and just build some rehab centers? Thats a bad plan.

I say throw them in jail/prison. When they get out and they have not changed, they go back. That way very few criminals are on the street.

9 times out of 10 criminals are drug users. Ask any police officer/ law enforcer.

[user23960508710783]

So are you saying that we should stop the war on drugs and just build some rehab centers? Thats a bad plan.

I say throw them in jail/prison. When they get out and they have not changed, they go back. That way very few criminals are on the street.

9 times out of 10 criminals are drug users. Ask any police officer/ law enforcer.

10 times out of 10, people who report stats in the form of ratios in the misc are just making them up.

[WIPump]

So, since we can't stop true criminals- rapists and murderers, we must label non-criminals as criminals, just to meet a quota?

what quota?

[burlyman619]

Sorry, but I do and will maintain the right to defend myself. If you feel you are smarter than the founding fathers you are DEFINITELY in the wrong line of work lol.

What he means is that not all good citizen are competent of using a firearm

[burlyman619]

10 times out of 10, people who report stats in the form of ratios in the misc are just making them up.

or they post pictures of themselves....

[burlyman619]

So, since we can't stop true criminals- rapists and murderers, we must label non-criminals as criminals, just to meet a quota?

so police officers have quotas for catching criminals? I was unaware of that.

[Bobby_Flay]

maybe thats cause i for one don't believe your story. i dont believe that the cops laughed at you when you told them those were the guys that did it. either the cops misunderstood you or your lying

You obviously didn't read the story because you don't know what you're talking about. Go back to page 1 and read it again.

[Futurama525]

thats a typical argument by someone who is pro drug.

Please explain how you stop somebody from being murdered, sexually asaulted, or robbed... You come up with a theory to protect people before something happens.

I have a couple ideas... but it's probably expensive

1. Give everyone a personal force field that automatically triggers when sexual predators are around.
2. Create a device that reads minds of predators, thieves/robbers, killers... etc. And when the thought occurs... arrest them for premeditation.

See where I am going with this? Your argument won't work, you can't invest money into stopping people on people crimes. It's the parents job to raise someone to have the values and morals not to do such things, also it's partially the medias job and society.\

And guess what... we do have rehabilitation programs for drug offenders... do you think it works all the time?

OK first of all, alcohol and cigarettes are more dangerous than marijuana in just about every way. Now that we've settled on that, I'll give some cliffs on why the War on Drugs is bad:

- causes more crime (al capone went away after prohibition, so will all the gangs related to drugs; gangs are just businesses)
- making drugs illegal does little to nothing to change their usage rates

So, the War on Drugs basically just wastes money without helping anyone and only hurts people.

How does it hurt people?

- obviously causes crime
- makes drugs unsafe (you never know what you're getting)
- increases drug prices so drug addicts get their lives ruined even more
- jails people that aren't hurting anyone
- etc

[rizoN17]

what quota?

No quota? Care to explain why a person with a gram of cannabis is a criminal? Care to explain why in a town like mine, all the money given to police is used to create programs to punish cannabis users?

Because they need to meet a quota. Why do so many officers around here harass kids, rather than to try stopping actual crime?

There's a lot of theft in my area. Everyday I open the paper to read how such and such is stolen, how this store is broken into, etc. Yet never any results on finding the culprit?

Instead, the only "results" I see is... so and so, age 16, was caught with an ounce of marijuana and paraphanalia?

My car was once broken into while parked outside a local mall. Stereo was stolen, as was my wallet with all my personal ID and a good bit of cash.

Filed a police report, nothing happened. Infact, theft rates are rising in my area. Why is this? If police are the almighty good saviors, why are they not setting up programs to try and stop this sort of stuff?

And why, everyday, do I read articles on the internet about police brutality? How officers can literally get away with murder and no consequence?

Because many cops beleive that being a "police officer" grants them invulnerability. So what I say is take the tax payer's money and invest it into hiring cops who are willing to do the job right.

[WIPump]

No quota? Care to explain why a person with a gram of cannabis is a criminal? Care to explain why in a town like mine, all the money given to police is used to create programs to punish cannabis users?

Because they need to meet a quota. Why do so many officers around here harass kids, rather than to try stopping actual crime?

There's a lot of theft in my area. Everyday I open the paper to read how such and such is stolen, how this store is broken into, etc. Yet never any results on finding the culprit?

Instead, the only "results" I see is... so and so, age 16, was caught with an ounce of marijuana and paraphanalia?

My car was once broken into while parked outside a local mall. Stereo was stolen, as was my wallet with all my personal ID and a good bit of cash.

Filed a police report, nothing happened. Infact, theft rates are rising in my area. Why is this? If police are the almighty good saviors, why are they not setting up programs to try and stop this sort of stuff?

wait, what quota? there is a quota? no there is not a quota... "Do some research"

[Bobby_Flay]

No quota? Care to explain why a person with a gram of cannabis is a criminal? Care to explain why in a town like mine, all the money given to police is used to create programs to punish cannabis users?

Because they need to meet a quota. Why do so many officers around here harass kids, rather than to try stopping actual crime?

There's a lot of theft in my area. Everyday I open the paper to read how such and such is stolen, how this store is broken into, etc. Yet never any results on finding the culprit?

Instead, the only "results" I see is... so and so, age 16, was caught with an ounce of marijuana and paraphanalia?

My car was once broken into while parked outside a local mall. Stereo was stolen, as was my wallet with all my personal ID and a good bit of cash.

Filed a police report, nothing happened. Infact, theft rates are rising in my area. Why is this? If police are the almighty good saviors, why are they not setting up programs to try and stop this sort of stuff?

The same exact thing is going on where I live. More houses are getting broken into than ever before in my town, but they're busting people for marijuana. Nothing is being done about all the break ins.

Related: One of my friends got caught with an ounce of weed and he was sent to jail for 7 months, now he's fukced for the rest of his life.

[Futurama525]

So are you saying that we should stop the war on drugs and just build some rehab centers? Thats a bad plan.

I say throw them in jail/prison. When they get out and they have not changed, they go back. That way very few criminals are on the street.

9 times out of 10 criminals are drug users. Ask any police officer/ law enforcer.

A lot of crime is committed because drug bussiness is run by gangs. The drug business is run by gangs because drugs are illegal. If drugs were legal, they'd be trafficked by Wal-Mart instead of the Crypts.

As for crime committed by addicts, it's usually to fund their addictions. The reason they have to committ crime to afford their drugs is because records make it impossible for them to get jobs and drug prices are artificially inflated by the War on Drugs.

A perfect example of this is cigarettes. Cigarettes are the most addictive drug in the world, more addictive than *******, crack, heroin, alcohol, etc.

If cigarettes were illegal, prices would skyrocket and any smokers would get a record and be unable to hold jobs.

Thus, to fund their addictions, they'd be forced to committ crimes to get money. You'd literally see cigarette addicts mugging people to buy cigarettes from the Crypts. They'd be buying from the Crypts because they can no longer buy them at Wal-Mart; that means that gangs get to pocket all that money instead of legimitate companies.

Drugs are really only a big problem because we make them one. Prohibition causes way more problems than the drugs ever could.

[Bobby_Flay]

wait, what quota? there is a quota? no there is not a quota... "Do some research"

You can't sit there and say there is no pressure on police officers to bring in a certain amount of cash for the gov via tickets and fines, that's your job!

[Futurama525]

No quota? Care to explain why a person with a gram of cannabis is a criminal? Care to explain why in a town like mine, all the money given to police is used to create programs to punish cannabis users?

Because they need to meet a quota. Why do so many officers around here harass kids, rather than to try stopping actual crime?

There's a lot of theft in my area. Everyday I open the paper to read how such and such is stolen, how this store is broken into, etc. Yet never any results on finding the culprit?

Instead, the only "results" I see is... so and so, age 16, was caught with an ounce of marijuana and paraphanalia?

My car was once broken into while parked outside a local mall. Stereo was stolen, as was my wallet with all my personal ID and a good bit of cash.

Filed a police report, nothing happened. Infact, theft rates are rising in my area. Why is this? If police are the almighty good saviors, why are they not setting up programs to try and stop this sort of stuff?

And why, everyday, do I read articles on the internet about police brutality? How officers can literally get away with murder and no consequence?

Because many cops beleive that being a "police officer" grants them invulnerability. So what I say is take the tax payer's money and invest it into hiring cops who are willing to do the job right.

This is very true. Last year, over 800,000 arrests were made for cannabis. This year, there are projected to be over a million arrests in the US for cannabis.

Annual deaths caused by drugs in the US:
Tobacco - 435,000
Alcohol - 100,000
Marijuana - 0

Obviously, that's a huge waste of police time and your money. Instead of trying to fight real problems, like murder, rape, tobacco, and alcohol, they're arresting people who are hurting no one, not even themselves.

[burlyman619]

No quota? Care to explain why a person with a gram of cannabis is a criminal? Care to explain why in a town like mine, all the money given to police is used to create programs to punish cannabis users?

Because they need to meet a quota. Why do so many officers around here harass kids, rather than to try stopping actual crime?

There's a lot of theft in my area. Everyday I open the paper to read how such and such is stolen, how this store is broken into, etc. Yet never any results on finding the culprit?

Instead, the only "results" I see is... so and so, age 16, was caught with an ounce of marijuana and paraphanalia?

My car was once broken into while parked outside a local mall. Stereo was stolen, as was my wallet with all my personal ID and a good bit of cash.

Filed a police report, nothing happened. Infact, theft rates are rising in my area. Why is this? If police are the almighty good saviors, why are they not setting up programs to try and stop this sort of stuff?

And why, everyday, do I read articles on the internet about police brutality? How officers can literally get away with murder and no consequence?

Because many cops beleive that being a "police officer" grants them invulnerability. So what I say is take the tax payer's money and invest it into hiring cops who are willing to do the job right.

There is no qouta.

The kid with the weed broke the law. Law breakers get punished i.e I was speeding I got a ticket.

Do you ever seen in the paper that the police caught a criminal for breaking in a house? I usually dont see it.

Cops dont always catch the bad guys.

No every police officer is a good guy. The ones that are found that way are taken care of.

edit: If you think that your local PD/S.O can improve be sure to send the chief or police/ commissioner / Sherriff a letter stating your concerns. That way you are trying to improve your community rather than just complaining about it.

[NJPump]

wtf is a quota? this isnt 1999.

[Bobby_Flay]

wtf is a quota? this isnt 1999.

Funny how you don't know what a quota is when you adhere to one yourself.

[burlyman619]

wtf is a quota? this isnt 1999.

If you dont meet your rape quota you are going to loose your job brah

[WIPump]

Funny how you don't know what a quota is when you adhere to one yourself.

lol there is no QUOTA
it is illegal to have a quota on tickets/arrests

[burlyman619]

Funny how you don't know what a quota is when you adhere to one yourself.

If you could all educate us on this subject that would be great.

[rizoN17]

There is no qouta.

The kid with the weed broke the law. Law breakers get punished i.e I was speeding I got a ticket.

Do you ever seen in the paper that the police caught a criminal for breaking in a house? I usually dont see it.

Cops dont always catch the bad guys.

No every police officer is a good guy. The ones that are found that way are taken care of.

edit: If you think that your local PD/S.O can improve be sure to send the chief or police/ commissioner / Sherriff a letter stating your concerns. That way you are trying to improve your community rather than just complaining about it.

Trust me, my community is aware of this issue. And I'm aware that cops don't always catch the bad guys.

My issue is how they treat the citizens. People in my area (northern burbs of Chicago) downright get harassed by cops. Being 20, I guess that makes me a "prime suspect for crime". You know how many times I get followed by cops for miles on end? Are you telling me that this is them "doing their job"? Following young kids, waiting for them to make a mistake, then harassing them and trying to dig up some dirt?

Is me, smoking a cig in my car at 11:30 at night grounds for an unwarranted search?

Or since it's cold, being pulled over for "foggy windows", and accused of gay sex with my passenger or smoking marijuana? Is this justified?

The fact is, I don't feel safe. Trying to be a law abiding citizen somehow seems to get me in more police situations than not.

And considering so many others in America feel this way, am I really WRONG for feeling that the police force isn't doing their job in a way that will better the community, rather than bring it down?

Trust me, I can think up many experiences in which police AREN'T protecting the citizens, rather harassing them. Like I said before, if a cop CLEARLY seeds a kid smoking a pipe, good, arrest him. That's your job.

But to belittle and harass citizens TRYING to dig up dirt when clearly there is nothing going on, yeah thats a good cop.

[Bobby_Flay]

You can't honestly say there is no pressure on you as a police officer to hand out a certain amount of tickets/fines.

It is illegal for law enforcement agencies to issue quotas for citations or arrests of individuals.... The Fraternal Order of Police strongly disagrees with this illegal action and respectfully requests you rescind this action of supervisors at the Knoxville Police Department.... If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's still a duck. It's a quota.
--Edward Daniel, attorney at law

Cops have a[n illegal] quota system.
--Sgt. James Eagan, New York State Police (Retired), from his book, A Speeder's Guide to Avoiding Tickets

I was put under pressure. It was like a race. How many more people can we get today?
--arrested Knoxville, Tennessee, police officer describing the government's illegal quota

[Bobby_Flay]

"Six Swatara Township police officers are suing the township and the police chief in federal court, charging that they are being disciplined for questioning what they call a "quota system" for handing out tickets."

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/ind...e_swatara.html

[Bobby_Flay]

"Fort Lauderdale police officer sues over alleged quotas"

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/sout...ry/744174.html


It looks like this is happening all over the country, at least some officers are speaking up. I wonder how many don't?