Misc Firearms Crew LXXIII: Gun Show Tix, Gun Pics & Passing NICS

[Farley1324]

Again, wrong. They can put the barrel on as well.

A lower, xfrd as an other, can be built COMPLETELY into a rifle configuration, and then completely into a pistol configuration, and back, in any order, any number of times, as long as it is never assembled into a rifle configuration with a barrel under 16" or oal under 26".

If you have an AR type rifle, maybe you can use the lower receiver in a pistol build, and maybe you can't, depending on the history of that lower receiver.

You can hold two Aero Precision lower receivers in your hands, both purchased legally by you, one can be used to build a pistol, the other can't. Then you can assemble both into complete identical rifles, and again, one of the receivers can then be used to make a pistol and the other can't. Don't pick the wrong one because you forgot which was transferred which way. BTW, somebody asked above, how do you even verify how that particular lowre receiver was transferred? What if you bought it FTF without an FFL? The whole thing is a complicated cluster ****. For me, and my CYA advice, just don't take a receiver from a rifle to build a pistol...use a pistol lower or a virgin Other lower.

KISS

[fishnbrah]

cant you guys go back to talking about g19s and the price of 9mm?

[Farley1324]

Agreed. But if they go after pistol braces, it's going to be an all or nothing. Whether or not you had an other receiver, virgin or otherwise, will be irrelevant.



Well, no, that's what you've agreed to in this conversation, and what I've thought was the case for a long time as well. Or at least a best practice if nothing else. But it seems the ATF has, unless I'm misunderstanding something, opined specifically that you can go back an forth between legal configurations:

https://www.atf.gov/file/55526/download

Actually, the next-next paragraph is even more interesting

"Held, a firearm, as defined by the National Firearms Act (NFA), 26 U.S.C.
5845(a)(3), is made when unassembled parts are placed in close proximity in such a way
that they:
(a) Serve no useful purpose other than to make a rifle having a barrel or barrels of
less than 16 inches in length (e.g., a receiver, an attachable shoulder stock, and
barrel of less than 16 inches in length); or
(b) Convert a complete weapon into such an NFA firearm, including –
(1) A pistol and attachable shoulder stock; and
- 4 -
(2) A rifle with a barrel of 16 inches or more in length, and an attachable barrel
of less than 16 inches in length.
Such weapons must be registered and are subject to all requirements of the NFA"




lol

[Ikeman83]

If you have an AR type rifle, maybe you can use the lower receiver in a pistol build, and maybe you can't, depending on the history of that lower receiver.

You can hold two Aero Precision lower receivers in your hands, both purchased legally by you, one can be used to build a pistol, the other can't. Then you can assemble both into complete identical rifles, and again, one of the receivers can then be used to make a pistol and the other can't. Don't pick the wrong one because you forgot which was transferred which way. BTW, somebody asked above, how do you even verify how that particular lowre receiver was transferred? What if you bought it FTF without an FFL? The whole thing is a complicated cluster ****. For me, and my CYA advice, just don't take a receiver from a rifle to build a pistol...use a pistol lower or a virgin Other lower.

KISS

Only if you bought it as a complete rifle.

Unless you're Procon, you probably know how you bought your receivers.

[Ikeman83]

Actually, the next-next paragraph is even more interesting

"Held, a firearm, as defined by the National Firearms Act (NFA), 26 U.S.C.
5845(a)(3), is made when unassembled parts are placed in close proximity in such a way
that they:
(a) Serve no useful purpose other than to make a rifle having a barrel or barrels of
less than 16 inches in length (e.g., a receiver, an attachable shoulder stock, and
barrel of less than 16 inches in length); or
(b) Convert a complete weapon into such an NFA firearm, including –
(1) A pistol and attachable shoulder stock; and
- 4 -
(2) A rifle with a barrel of 16 inches or more in length, and an attachable barrel
of less than 16 inches in length.
Such weapons must be registered and are subject to all requirements of the NFA"




lol

Not relevant to the discussion, or new.

[taf1968]

RIP, Super Dave Osborne.

[Farley1324]

Not relevant to the discussion, or new.

I forgot that only posts you deem to be on the topic of the current discussion are allowed.

My bad, mein fuhrer

[Ikeman83]

I forgot that only posts you deem to be on the topic of the current discussion are allowed.

My bad, mein fuhrer

It's ok, I know you're unused to losing your own Fargument and are just trying to change the subject.

[Farley1324]

Only if you bought it as a complete rifle.

Unless you're Procon, you probably know how you bought your receivers.

Perhaps you forgot about yesterday

Is there a way to see how a lower was transferred? I have one stripped lower I got a long while back and dont know how I want to build it.

It's not difficult to end up with a rifle whose lower you eventually forget or wrongfully-remember (or never knew for private party) the transfer status of

If you have an AR type rifle, maybe you can use the lower receiver in a pistol build, and maybe you can't, depending on the history of that lower receiver.

You can hold two Aero Precision lower receivers in your hands, both purchased legally by you, one can be used to build a pistol, the other can't. Then you can assemble both into complete identical rifles, and again, one of the receivers can then be used to make a pistol and the other can't. Don't pick the wrong one because you forgot which was transferred which way. BTW, somebody asked above, how do you even verify how that particular lowre receiver was transferred? What if you bought it FTF without an FFL? The whole thing is a complicated cluster ****. For me, and my CYA advice, just don't take a receiver from a rifle to build a pistol...use a pistol lower or a virgin Other lower.

KISS

[Wakaaa]

Reached out to la police gear on possibly refunding the difference I paid for the aimpointpro... they refunded me nearly 40 bucks more.. so I basically paid 278 for my aimpoint pro... niceeeee

[Ikeman83]

Perhaps you forgot about yesterday



It's not difficult to end up with a rifle whose lower you eventually forget or wrongfully-remember (or never knew for private party) the transfer status of

If you have an AR type rifle, maybe you can use the lower receiver in a pistol build, and maybe you can't, depending on the history of that lower receiver.

You can hold two Aero Precision lower receivers in your hands, both purchased legally by you, one can be used to build a pistol, the other can't. Then you can assemble both into complete identical rifles, and again, one of the receivers can then be used to make a pistol and the other can't. Don't pick the wrong one because you forgot which was transferred which way. BTW, somebody asked above, how do you even verify how that particular lowre receiver was transferred? What if you bought it FTF without an FFL? The whole thing is a complicated cluster ****. For me, and my CYA advice, just don't take a receiver from a rifle to build a pistol...use a pistol lower or a virgin Other lower.

KISS

Is there a way? Sure, call the manufacturer.

[Rawp0wer1O1]

latest acquisition

dat 180gr boom

[Ikeman83]

latest acquisition

dat 180gr boom

Delightful

[Meatie]

Reached out to la police gear on possibly refunding the difference I paid for the aimpointpro... they refunded me nearly 40 bucks more.. so I basically paid 278 for my aimpoint pro... niceeeee

imagine if that was john willis at SOE gear that refunded you more than the difference


brb he'd consider it a loan and charge you 200% interest and then make a video on youtube screaming like the lead singer of lamb of god

[R3L3NTL3SS]

An actual 24 hour argument about lowers. Pissening.

[Ikeman83]

An actual 24 hours argument about lowers. Pissening.

In-deed.

[veggie530]

Not sure what's better about watching Yeager's live videos - seeing what kind of asinine bull**** he'll make up next or watching Meatie troll him. Lmfao

hahahahahaha

holy **** james yeager just yelled at me in the stream for asking the same question i asked a week or so ago about working in PMC with an accounting degree. How he could remember such a random question from the thousands of questions he gets daily is kinda crazy


Then he yelled at me again at the end of the stream saying i'll probably be asking the question again tomorrow when he streams


wtf

LMAO THAT WAS YOU

[Hartski]

Holiday OT check of peace deposits tomorrow. Think I might finally spring for a Benchmade Auto.....unless you guys have better suggestions for an auto opener around $200

[blumpkin415]

4 inches of fresh dry powder last night. Loading out the sled now.

[PapaBurgandy]

4 inches of fresh dry powder last night. Loading out the sled now.

Freezing rain all night.....took the day off.

[DualRectifier]

Man, the Resolution Rush^tm started early this year. Gym was packed before and after work yesterday, and lots of new faces this morning. Which means a profound degradation in locker room cleanliness and gym etiquette to start the year. Towels and cups everywhere, locker doors left open, dropping weights, machines not wiped down, etc. If you're new to the environment at least learn the etiquette, which is mostly common sense. I'll give it a few days before I start correcting these fools.

[rahfulz]

Man, the Resolution Rush^tm started early this year. Gym was packed before and after work yesterday, and lots of new faces this morning. Which means a profound degradation in locker room cleanliness and gym etiquette to start the year. Towels and cups everywhere, locker doors left open, dropping weights, machines not wiped down, etc. If you're new to the environment at least learn the etiquette, which is mostly common sense. I'll give it a few days before I start correcting these fools.

Wasn’t too bad when I got there last night, but an acquaintance said it was much worse earlier. Definitely some goonery going on.

I’d like to go in the mornings the next few weeks, but my brother just started lifting with me and I want to make sure he keeps going.

[ctprelude]

5am gym crew. Almost never any new faces. Occasionally one here and there that last 1-2 weeks and then gone.

[Raxys]

Who wants in? I've got 5 on it

https://www.eurooptic.com/Heckler-Ko...aign=avantlink

[Raxys]

Man, the Resolution Rush^tm started early this year. Gym was packed before and after work yesterday, and lots of new faces this morning. Which means a profound degradation in locker room cleanliness and gym etiquette to start the year. Towels and cups everywhere, locker doors left open, dropping weights, machines not wiped down, etc. If you're new to the environment at least learn the etiquette, which is mostly common sense. I'll give it a few days before I start correcting these fools.

I haven't been back to the gym since I broke that bone in my neck. I think I'll probably try and go after we move. But I can still tell the cervical extensor muscles still normal. Not painful, but lifting stuff in front still feels weird, almost like they are straining more than usual.

[.:Chris:.]

G43x and G48 is a disappointment. 43x basically a factory made mag extender now limiting the option for smaller profile. Would rather have 43 and get the extender for the option. 48 is basically just 43x frame with 19 slide length.

[SpeedCheeser]

Actually, the next-next paragraph is even more interesting

"Held, a firearm, as defined by the National Firearms Act (NFA), 26 U.S.C.
5845(a)(3), is made when unassembled parts are placed in close proximity in such a way
that they:
(a) Serve no useful purpose other than to make a rifle having a barrel or barrels of
less than 16 inches in length (e.g., a receiver, an attachable shoulder stock, and
barrel of less than 16 inches in length); or
(b) Convert a complete weapon into such an NFA firearm, including –
(1) A pistol and attachable shoulder stock; and
- 4 -
(2) A rifle with a barrel of 16 inches or more in length, and an attachable barrel
of less than 16 inches in length.
Such weapons must be registered and are subject to all requirements of the NFA"




lol

And then you continue reading the paragraph to get to the underlined point. Having all of the parts necessary to build a pistol (i.e. a pistol brace) means the parts DO serve a useful purpose other than to create a rifle with a barrel under 16" - to create a pistol. If all you have is a short barreled upper and shoulder stocks or a completed rifle and a short lower as described in (1) and (2) in your inventory, you might have a bad time. That's always been the case.

[Farley1324]

And then you continue reading the paragraph to get to the underlined point. Having all of the parts necessary to build a pistol (i.e. a pistol brace) means the parts DO serve a useful purpose other than to create a rifle with a barrel under 16" - to create a pistol. If all you have is a short barreled upper and shoulder stocks or a completed rifle and a short lower as described in (1) and (2) in your inventory, you might have a bad time. That's always been the case.

I for one would be glad to make that argument to the arresting LE/ATF agent as well as the judge who will clearly be a reasonable person who will interpret and apply that ruling to my situation the way I think it ought to be

[hockeyfreak13]

Hey guys,

Just have a few guns on hand, I really like having the ammo versatility but I am wondering if a 9MM is anything close to a .223 in performance...

Looking to buy a Beretta CX4 Storm or a Ruger AR 15,

Thoughts?

[JMath]

Man, the Resolution Rush^tm started early this year. Gym was packed before and after work yesterday, and lots of new faces this morning. Which means a profound degradation in locker room cleanliness and gym etiquette to start the year. Towels and cups everywhere, locker doors left open, dropping weights, machines not wiped down, etc. If you're new to the environment at least learn the etiquette, which is mostly common sense. I'll give it a few days before I start correcting these fools.

Makes me happy that I've spent too much money on putting together a home gym. No thanks on laying on other people's sweat, or dealing with their bullchit.