He makes a great point for the douchebags who get pulled over at a traffic stop and watched some YouTube videos about how to fck with cops.
Not as great a point when it applies to trained professionals who are up to date on the legal intricacies of their job... And have a hospital legal team backing them.
Would be willing to drop this if you just say the nurse didn't do anything wrong. Because at least you stopped the "two wrongs don't make a right" talk...
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09-05-2017, 08:16 AM #631MISC Blood Drive (MOD REPS): https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=175220881
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So as a nurse, were there any other steps she should have taken? Interested as a nurse. What is the cop lingo/ language that would talk that cop down from wrongly arresting her?
As I saw it...
Verbally informed him, escalated to supervisor, provided written policy, reinforced verbally.... What else?MISC Blood Drive (MOD REPS): https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=175220881
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09-05-2017, 08:25 AM #641
Cop comes for illegal blood draw
Nurse says no
Cop insists
Supervisor says no
Cop threatens arrest
Under threat of arrest (the duress under color of authority law i posted) blood draw occurs
Nurse and supervisor documents incident
Dept of heath, DOJ and internal affairs notified
DA gets case and askes where warrant is, officer produces none so blood gets thrown out
Cop gets investigated by DOJ, dept of health and IA.
Driver gets huge payout
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09-05-2017, 08:27 AM #642
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09-05-2017, 08:27 AM #643
FYI this is a terrible argument. You're justifying a gross violation of rights. Drawing blood would, at least in the UK, be considered GBH. The only difference is that when you're in a hospital and it's for your own safety/health, you can give consent to the GBH on your person - no one else can do it for you unless in very narrow circumstances. You argue that a violation of rights is fine because if everything turns out badly, then you will be compensated. Imagine if that logic was upheld across the board? Oh, it doesn't matter if I shoot them in the leg because they will get a massive payout from losing their leg...wow.
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Because my preference would be if threatened with arrest versus the blood draw occuring, I would take arrest. And then the blood draw would occur, and I could be down there at the bottom with the patient getting the fat payday. I'm sure other nurses might just let the blood draw happen and then the rest of your scenario would play out.
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Then WTF are you even arguing about? For fux sake this has only been explained to you for 22 solid pages now..
Christ man, every single thing about that cop was wrong and you just admitted it. You're not seriously still trying to say she should have caved in to him just because are you?
This how you see it bro..?
"Do you think SHE actually felt like that was a sexual thing he was doing? She's like 6. Only an actual p3do would think that she thought he was groping her, too."
"Not that it's impossible to touch a minor inappropriately, but it is true that a 6 year old girl will not recognize someone putting a hand on their chest as groping, whether it is inappropriate or not."
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And I'll ask you too.. did you watch the same video the rest of us saw? The nurse DID NOT get into a physical confrontation with anybody. She calmly and clearly tried to state her position as did her supervisor. I mean seriously... WTF else needs to be said? Don't take my word for it though, go back and watch it again ffs..
"Do you think SHE actually felt like that was a sexual thing he was doing? She's like 6. Only an actual p3do would think that she thought he was groping her, too."
"Not that it's impossible to touch a minor inappropriately, but it is true that a 6 year old girl will not recognize someone putting a hand on their chest as groping, whether it is inappropriate or not."
- Jayarbie
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=182007113&p=1671975503#post1671975503
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09-05-2017, 08:41 AM #652
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09-05-2017, 08:42 AM #653
Cop comes for illegal blood draw
Nurse says no
Cop insists
Supervisor says no
Cop threatens arrest
Under threat of arrest (the duress under color of authority law i posted) blood draw occurs
Nurse and supervisor documents incident
Dept of heath, DOJ and internal affairs notified
DA gets case and askes where warrant is, officer produces none so blood gets thrown out
Cop gets investigated by DOJ, dept of health and IA.
Driver gets huge payout
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09-05-2017, 08:44 AM #654
It's not the process in cases where you owe a duty to others. See the PD and DA example I gave you. If a PD knowingly handed over a privileged criminal file to an officer he/she would never work as lawyer again.
I agree with you on things like searching your car trunk illegally, etc. - but there are exceptions. I think this case with the nurse is also one.
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09-05-2017, 08:45 AM #655
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How about no. Without a warrant he doesn't take jack shiit, and he can take his threats and shove them.
Nurse and supervisor documents incident
Dept of heath, DOJ and internal affairs notified
DA gets case and askes where warrant is, officer produces none so blood gets thrown out
Cop gets investigated by DOJ, dept of health and IA.
Driver gets huge payout"Do you think SHE actually felt like that was a sexual thing he was doing? She's like 6. Only an actual p3do would think that she thought he was groping her, too."
"Not that it's impossible to touch a minor inappropriately, but it is true that a 6 year old girl will not recognize someone putting a hand on their chest as groping, whether it is inappropriate or not."
- Jayarbie
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=182007113&p=1671975503#post1671975503
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09-05-2017, 08:46 AM #656
Cop comes for illegal blood draw
Nurse says no
Cop insists
Supervisor says no
Cop threatens arrest
Under threat of arrest (the duress under color of authority law i posted) blood draw occurs
Nurse and supervisor documents incident
Dept of heath, DOJ and internal affairs notified
DA gets case and askes where warrant is, officer produces none so blood gets thrown out
Cop gets investigated by DOJ, dept of health and IA.
Driver gets huge payout
No your example does not work either sorry. Please look up duress under color of authority.
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"Do you think SHE actually felt like that was a sexual thing he was doing? She's like 6. Only an actual p3do would think that she thought he was groping her, too."
"Not that it's impossible to touch a minor inappropriately, but it is true that a 6 year old girl will not recognize someone putting a hand on their chest as groping, whether it is inappropriate or not."
- Jayarbie
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=182007113&p=1671975503#post1671975503
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"Do you think SHE actually felt like that was a sexual thing he was doing? She's like 6. Only an actual p3do would think that she thought he was groping her, too."
"Not that it's impossible to touch a minor inappropriately, but it is true that a 6 year old girl will not recognize someone putting a hand on their chest as groping, whether it is inappropriate or not."
- Jayarbie
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=182007113&p=1671975503#post1671975503
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