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[NitrogenWidget]

Is there a specific reason you need a full cage? If it's only for squats a half rack is fine, just make sure the increments for the bar are appropriate. Can easily do OHP with a half rack too, so aside from crossfitty BS a half + a separate chin-up bar pretty much cover the functionality of a cage.

just for squats and safety mostly.
I live alone and will be lifting alone and most half racks i've seen have short arms.
can just get a cage i'm learning for the same price as a half rack with longer arms.

they sell 72" full cages but if i could find a decent half rack with decent arm legnth i'd go that route.

[NitrogenWidget]

Like Ammex said maybe a half rack would be smart. IDK about 6'4" tall full racks are even out there? You could hang a DIY pull up bar off a joist. Lots of plans for those out of galvanized pipe and fittings on teh webs.

@ MLJ don't get me started on the keto fills the holes in my eating like a normal person stories.

@Critter, It's been so long since my legs were lean I forgot if they go last or the waist. Will find out eventually on my endless slow fat loss period. This weeks been good though, I've been pretty active, and eating on the lighter side.

gave up on the pully thing because i came to the same conclusion.

[moore93]

I think I might actually lose weight here pretty soon from simple starvation as a necessity, condolences from my wallet.


...what? I'm broke.

[gomil]

I'm cutting carbs down big time. Can't handle them. I'm up like 7lbs in the last 3 weeks. I'm basically out of carbs that aren't fruit and rice. Gotta fix this damage I've done before summer. Fuk.

Some order has been restored on my side with regards to candy, lol. No more cookies sitting at home and staring at me from the cupboard. Ate around 700 grams of homemade baked potato chips (or fries?) a few days back; all those micros and that Potassium. Felt so good. Not a bad option IMO if one doesn't go over the minimum req. for protein/fat since they turn out to be around a calorie per gram.

[NitrogenWidget]

i finally got rid of my blackberry z10 and upgraded to a used iphone 5s.
amidoinitright?

[EjnarKolinkar]

I used to have one of those blackberry for work, really liked it. I just sold my backup iphone 4 on ebay last month.

[NitrogenWidget]

I used to have one of those blackberry for work, really liked it. I just sold my backup iphone 4 on ebay last month.

i liked mine until about 6 months ago.
the last two updates seemed to screw it up.
company didn't seem to care we had issues so work got rid of them.
i didn't make the cut for a new company phone.

not a bad little phone was a freebee.

[gomil]

i finally got rid of my blackberry z10 and upgraded to a used iphone 5s.
amidoinitright?

Personally, I would have rather have picked up a cheap android phone (currently using the Note 3) simply because of the wide variety of Apps available on Google Play, expandable memory and easy file transfer. Probably better bang for buck.

[NitrogenWidget]

Personally, I would have rather have picked up a cheap android phone (currently using the Note 3) simply because of the wide variety of Apps available on Google Play, expandable memory and easy file transfer. Probably better bang for buck.

but i agree.
but iphone was free from someone who upgraded to a 7.

I've rooted my amazon fire tab, changed the launcher, added google play and it's decent now.
the hardware is fairly good for $49, it's all the amazon crap they put on it that can slow it down.

i just didn't want to go from no cell phone bill to a cell phone bill plus monthly phone payment or shelling out for a phone.
i'm about to drop a good chunk of change for basement flooring so i'm trying to keep my monthly bill load low.

[gomil]

This thread delivers: https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...hp?t=173745311

but iphone was free from someone who upgraded to a 7. I've rooted my amazon fire tab, changed the launcher, added google play and it's decent now.

i'm about to drop a good chunk of change for basement flooring so i'm trying to keep my monthly bill load low.

Ah, if you didn't pay anything for it and have a Fire tab with Google Play, I'd say that's a good deal. I had a Nexus tab and was using just a call phone with that. Eventually switched to a smartphone since I got tired of carrying too much stuff.

[Partyrocking]

That thread made my afternoon. It was like watching a train wreck; I couldn't bring myself to look away.

[Serpentarius]

That thread made my afternoon. It was like watching a train wreck; I couldn't bring myself to look away.

brb eating 5000 calories to gain 2 lbs a week. gotta eat to grow right? btw i stalled for 3 days @ 5000 cals which was my new maintenance.

[gomil]

brb eating 5000 calories to gain 2 lbs a week. gotta eat to grow right? btw i stalled for 3 days @ 5000 cals which was my new maintenance.

I'd probably feel sorry for him if he gets 350 grams of protein, plans for 6 meals and eats cottage cheese before bed everyday

[Ammex]

While I'll be considering an Android for my next phone, there is a reason why Apple dominates that market. When you want something to just work, and if you have anything else in the Apple ecosystem, there are just few comparisons. If it was just the phone, iPhone is a no-brainer - but android is developing a much more expansive ecosystem and will be a whole lot cheaper for home integration with products that work with everything as opposed to Apple, which works with nothing else and costs 4x as much.

And new phones from Google, Huawei, etc are closing the gap quick.

[gomil]

Any of you ever watched this?

[NitrogenWidget]

brb eating 5000 calories to gain 2 lbs a week. gotta eat to grow right? btw i stalled for 3 days @ 5000 cals which was my new maintenance.

STFU you skinny *******!

also, 5k a day......how much was he chitting daily?

brb cutting at 500 cal deficit.....forever fat....not thanks.

[Serpentarius]

I'd probably feel sorry for him if he gets 350 grams of protein, plans for 6 meals and eats cottage cheese before bed everyday

watch your mouth son! i used to do that, seriously. i followed bad bro advice. my first bulk out of a deficit i got fat, had like 250g of protein, ate cottage cheese before bed, i wish i could go back in time because i was clueless. people still preach that garbage which is crazy, the world will never change.

[Partyrocking]

Have any of you seen the show Secret Eaters? I just watched a guy eat a burger on the couch, fall asleep mid burger, wake up and promptly finish the burger before going to bed.

The guy didn't know why he doesn't lose weight; he only eats 1500 calories a day.

[NitrogenWidget]

While I'll be considering an Android for my next phone, there is a reason why Apple dominates that market. When you want something to just work, and if you have anything else in the Apple ecosystem, there are just few comparisons. If it was just the phone, iPhone is a no-brainer - but android is developing a much more expansive ecosystem and will be a whole lot cheaper for home integration with products that work with everything as opposed to Apple, which works with nothing else and costs 4x as much.

And new phones from Google, Huawei, etc are closing the gap quick.

I think i agree.
I mean first iphone and only comparison to smart phone is BB.
iphone just works with all my apps and fit bit.

Any of you ever watched this?

do they even mutiple tooths?

just gonna say, just because i have an iphone doesn't make me an apple guy.
allready got co-workers being like:



sending me "buy an iphone 7 and pay only $35/month to receive FREE upgrades for as long as you pay" offers.

da'fuq? are you on crack?

[gomil]

Have any of you seen the show Secret Eaters?

A couple of months back. People logging in less than 2k when in they reality they were consuming twice that along with a pregnant eating for two mentality. Night snacking is a thing for most people with no hobbies other than indoors (being sedentary), boredom and excess money. Been there and done that.

It just hit me how I was eating "so little" while at uni and maintaining but it makes since each small cupcake was probably 100 cal and two packs of instant noodles around 900 cal O_O. It's not like I don't eat a large bag of popcorn (or other snacks) late night sometimes while watching a movie nowadays, but I still track calories, so it's not a huge issue.

sending me "buy an iphone 7 and pay only $35/month to receive FREE upgrades for as long as you pay" offers. da'fuq?

Not really trying to direct hate towards anyone include Apple product users. The Shuffle is decent; had one and gave it away since music wasn't an interest for me at the time which I now regret especially since my Sansa clip stopped working after taking a spin in the washer but my mentality has always been a "buy only those gadgets that allow me to learn, use and integrate them the way I want to".

I can understand picking up some new hardware every two years (or every year even depending on the requirements that suit MY needs) but I'm not going to be subscribing to a "service" for "upgrades" every month on any kind of tech. Period.

[Ammex]

I'm not going to be subscribing to a "service" for "upgrades" every month on any kind of tech. Period.

Bahah. Good one.

Seriously.... good one. EVERYTHING is going subscription/service. Everything. You won't be able to have anything "tech" without it being recurring revenue for the company within probably the next decade or two, including owning a car.

That's not bad news though so I'm not sure why you're so resistant to it. It is a vastly vastly superior value for everyone involved, will be way cheaper, and will open up loads of opportunities that you wouldn't have had otherwise.

Think of the car situation. Self driving so you don't need it parked in your driveway for it to be on demand. You just 'call' your ride and it shows up in minutes and takes you wherever you need to be. Now you only have to pay a fraction of the car price and the actual cost of commuting (pennies when you subsidize - see: subscribe - to your energy production) instead of $500+ per month for a rapidly depreciating asset.

There is a reason why the "cloud" and software as a service has been revolutionary. Hint: it's not because crotchety old men complaining about subscription fees are right.

[NitrogenWidget]

A couple of months back. People logging in less than 2k when in they reality they were consuming twice that along with a pregnant eating for two mentality. Night snacking is a thing for most people with no hobbies other than indoors (being sedentary), boredom and excess money. Been there and done that.

It just hit me how I was eating "so little" while at uni and maintaining but it makes since each small cupcake was probably 100 cal and two packs of instant noodles around 900 cal O_O. It's not like I don't eat a large bag of popcorn (or other snacks) late night sometimes while watching a movie nowadays, but I still track calories, so it's not a huge issue.


Not really trying to direct hate towards anyone include Apple product users. The Shuffle is decent; had one and gave it away since music wasn't an interest for me at the time which I now regret especially since my Sansa clip stopped working after taking a spin in the washer but my mentality has always been a "buy only those gadgets that allow me to learn, use and integrate them the way I want to".

I can understand picking up some new hardware every two years (or every year even depending on the requirements that suit MY needs) but I'm not going to be subscribing to a "service" for "upgrades" every month on any kind of tech. Period.

No hate either.
just baffled by the following i see with some devices.

to me, it's just a phone.
as long as it runs my basic apps and makes calls and isn't a laggy POS i'm quite content.

[NitrogenWidget]

Bahah. Good one.

Seriously.... good one. EVERYTHING is going subscription/service. Everything. You won't be able to have anything "tech" without it being recurring revenue for the company within probably the next decade or two, including owning a car.

That's not bad news though so I'm not sure why you're so resistant to it. It is a vastly vastly superior value for everyone involved, will be way cheaper, and will open up loads of opportunities that you wouldn't have had otherwise.

Think of the car situation. Self driving so you don't need it parked in your driveway for it to be on demand. You just 'call' your ride and it shows up in minutes and takes you wherever you need to be. Now you only have to pay a fraction of the car price and the actual cost of commuting (pennies when you subsidize - see: subscribe - to your energy production) instead of $500+ per month for a rapidly depreciating asset.

There is a reason why the "cloud" and software as a service has been revolutionary. Hint: it's not because crotchety old men complaining about subscription fees are right.

subscription for service for software is different than hardware.
I don't like it because the companies are trying to force you into buying their new hardware when you don't need to.
it isn't happening organically.

The whole smart car thing didn't work in hot tub time machine 2 so i don't think it will work in real life.
what happens if you piss a smart car off?

[gomil]

EVERYTHING is going subscription/service. Everything. You won't be able to have anything "tech" without it being recurring revenue for the company within probably the next decade or two, including owning a car.

Note what I wrote earlier; the keyword is tech but specifically referring to consumer devices. I am all for subscription services when it comes to housing (leasing), public transport, car rentals, utilities, food, cellular packages and wifi. I love Google Drive but that doesn't mean that I'm not going to own a physical hard drive to backup my data.

I'm going to have to agree with Nitro regarding the fact that the subscription service might be a way for the companies to force you into buying their stuff and it being very likely that the subscriber doesn't get the best bang for buck value when it comes to hardware.

Even with software though, why should I try to get a subscription when I can find a freeware than can perform the same task? Cloud software is fine if you're running a company but I'm not seeing the point if one is a casual user. If someone doesn't have a net connection though, they are basically screwed.

[EjnarKolinkar]

Personally, I would have rather have picked up a cheap android phone (currently using the Note 3)

They are a good buy used, fast processor. Charger port is a pile. One of the reasons I really like the s7 and it's wireless charger. Probably go about 4 years on the S7.

I've rooted my amazon fire tab

I've been using a samsung midsize tablet. It's OK with a $5 launcher. But I'd like to pick up a Nvidia Shield, no bloatware and zippy processor. I like the smaller tablets for recreational use.

[Ammex]

You guys aren't thinking long enough term. Right now you're saying software as a service makes sense but hardware doesn't. Why? What happens when we're subscribing to all software-type things (which is an very narrow sub-category of tech). The only reason those things exist long term is because they generate money, either through subscription, ads, selling user data, using user data, or drawing people into your eco system. Now you NEED hardware to access that stuff and companies want you to keep up with their pace of inovation. That means making sure you keep your hardware up to date. You think people are going to pay $500-1000 for a new phone every year? But companies are going to make way way more money off you through all the non-hardware stuff that they won't HAVE to sell the hardware. It can be leased, even at negative revenue, and then they keep you using all the other stuff.

If it works for cars and housing and all this other stuff, it works for almost everything. Once a phone (or whatever device we're using) becomes essential to be able to make recurring revenue off of you, it's natural that it turns into some type of subscription or lease or whatever. Apple has already started it (and it's very successful already) and phone companies have been doing it for decades - subsidizing phones to get you tied into their company. If you've ever purchased a phone that requires you to be on contract, you have already been leasing your phone. If you haven't - you will be soon enough.

Even with software though, why should I try to get a subscription when I can find a freeware than can perform the same task? Cloud software is fine if you're running a company but I'm not seeing the point if one is a casual user. If someone doesn't have a net connection though, they are basically screwed.

I'd like to know what you're using that some philanthropist created and is supporting out of the goodness of their heart. It's not free. Someone is paying for it, which means you're indirectly paying for it by using it.

[gomil]

I'd like to know what you're using that some philanthropist created and is supporting out of the goodness of their heart. It's not free. Someone is paying for it, which means you're indirectly paying for it by using it.

How about open source applications like those found on Sourceforge? I'm still on Windows 7 since I'm not a fan of W'10 but yeah. I get where you are coming from since they make money off of advertising but there are options.

EDIT: I'm very stubborn though and only look for core features.

[Ammex]

How about open source applications like those found on Sourceforge? I'm still on Windows 7 since I'm not a fan of W'10 but yeah. I get where you are coming from since they make money off of advertising but there are options.

I understand that there are things out there that people do for a hobby, to develop their skills, build their resume, etc. but there still needs to be intrinsic value, even if it doesn't involve the direct exchange of money.

[Ammex]

Question for you OCD calorie counters. How do you track Bacon? I just cooked 175g (raw) of bacon then weighed what I could easily soak up from the pan. There was 54g of fat/oil...

I know the question is asked a million times online but just looking for your guys' opinions.

[gomil]

I understand that there are things out there that people do for a hobby, to develop their skills, build their resume, etc. but there still needs to be intrinsic value, even if it doesn't involve the direct exchange of money.

There are folks though who do this stuff without charging a price as they feel that something like this is a matter of liberty similar to how people on this forum are willing to empower those not in the know with information regarding fitness (instead of directing them toward listening to people whose intention is to sell products or paying a bro trainer).

Something like LibreOffice might be a good example and it offers a decent suite that includes spreadsheet, document and presentation processing capabilities.

But you are entirely correct that for a larger corporation to give away free stuff is a way of expanding their customer base and luring more people in by getting them to recognize/learn about how they might benefit by those products by giving them a sneak (and nowadays a feature filled) peek. Of course it doesn't work with a smart consumer who is aware of his requirements but with 99 % of the population being daft and having a surplus of money (big factor), the company always ends up benefiting.

Jimmy Kimmel did a demonstration (even though probably staged; like duh) on how Apple's branding resonates w.r.t. the new iPhone. This is the target demographic of all successful businesses esp. in consumer products and every company dreams of something like so.