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    Originally Posted by robert5891 View Post
    Not sure of this.....Mike? Kbayne?

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    Synephrine stimulator effect is quite small but Theacrine does increase the solubility of other stimulants by a large margin.
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    im also on the Theacrine bandwagon. love the concentration and focus improvements, i use it both in the gym and at work
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    Would the Teacrine in the new C4 Ultimate be why it feels like this 300mg of caffeine hits me much harder than other 300-350mg pres?
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    Likely the AY
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    Likely the AY
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    If it's the same Rawo raw they used in their fat burner I'd say It's pretty tame, definitely a factor tho. I'd purchase C4U just for the badass bottle.
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    Originally Posted by mike mccandless View Post
    likely the ay
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    ay?
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    Originally Posted by Tyler2106 View Post
    ay?
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    With AY, the difference in say 3mg to 6mg is 3043804 miles. Our original version of psycho had it. I took it out because I didn't want to get sued. Product was unreal but I swear to god you felt like you were having a heart attack while training. I could just see a big list of AER's piling up in the office. Now that the FDA office publishes those for everyone to see, not a good thing.
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    That Yohimbine >

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    Originally Posted by Mike McCandless View Post
    With AY, the difference in say 3mg to 6mg is 3043804 miles. Our original version of psycho had it. I took it out because I didn't want to get sued. Product was unreal but I swear to god you felt like you were having a heart attack while training. I could just see a big list of AER's piling up in the office. Now that the FDA office publishes those for everyone to see, not a good thing.
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    Originally Posted by Mike McCandless View Post
    With AY, the difference in say 3mg to 6mg is 3043804 miles. Our original version of psycho had it. I took it out because I didn't want to get sued. Product was unreal but I swear to god you felt like you were having a heart attack while training. I could just see a big list of AER's piling up in the office. Now that the FDA office publishes those for everyone to see, not a good thing.
    Can confirm, I tried it butt dam was the energy good. I won't play with Y again tho, too volatile of a compound lul...
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    Originally Posted by Synapsin View Post
    I personally will never include (alpha) yohimbine in a preworkout again
    If I take anything over 1mg I don't even have to workout before I feel like my heart is going to explode. Plus that limits the market in which your product can be sold.
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    almost 3 hours after 150mg teac ingestion... kinda feel a mild second wave of energy hitting, dat or placebo game strong in dis.
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    C4U doesn't have AY...
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    Originally Posted by Tyler2106 View Post
    C4U doesn't have AY...
    But it does have Rauwolscine which is similar to yohimbine (rauwolfia vomitoria)
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    Originally Posted by Tyler2106 View Post
    C4U doesn't have AY...
    Originally Posted by Partyrocking View Post
    But it does have Rauwolscine which is similar to yohimbine (rauwolfia vomitoria)
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    I've been playing with 25 mg. I thinks it's noticeable at 25mg. At 200 I feel it in my neck no other way to describe it.
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    Originally Posted by Partyrocking View Post
    But it does have Rauwolscine which is similar to yohimbine (rauwolfia vomitoria)
    Did not know that. Damn, gotta say I'm a fan of that then. I can take less than a full scoop and feel tons of energy and focus.
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    Sounds to me like you're better off buying Theacrine caps, dropping a few an hour before your workout and then use your pwo ( one without TC )on a normal timeframe (30m prior or so ).
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    This is an ingredient I need to try asap, it's definitely piqued my interest. Solid feedback DAS.
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    I'm interesting in playing with it as a travel piece. I fly well over 150k miles a year (flying as I type this). I end up in some screwy time zone situations. Would be curious how it would work to help adjust to a new time zone on its own without relying on heavy stim and throwing off my sleep.
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    I initially got it with the intend of replacing or lowering caffeine intake on nontraining days.. about to run out of caff pills so It'll have to do..

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    Picked up some c4 recently (holiday sale, liked the taste, don't judge)

    1 scoop of it perks me up and was surprised at that since its 150mg caffeine per scoop and I usually do 300mg for Pre-workouts. So 1.5 scoops is great for me.

    Might pick up some caps to play around with it..
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    After 7 days of 300mg dosing, sensitization to theacrine actually increased. After 8 weeks at 300mg, no tolerance build up was noted.
    I might need to pick this up for my days I don't use a pre workout.

    Do you know i dosing with Theacrine over an extended period of time diminishes the effect of caffeine?
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    Originally Posted by AntM1564 View Post
    I might need to pick this up for my days I don't use a pre workout.

    Do you know i dosing with Theacrine over an extended period of time diminishes the effect of caffeine?
    Dosing caffeine diminishes the effects of caffeine no help from theac. there.
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    Awesome, appreciate the support. Be sure to post feedback
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