Let's be srs, do you guys really not care about climate change and the environment?

[Twerk4it]

or is it just to spite libs?

It's something I really don't get, sounds a lot of people here are thoughtlessly praising Trumps environmentally unfriendly picks backed by fossil fuel industries just because liberals hate them.

Even if you foolishly believe global warming is a Chinese hoax, the damage done to the environment from fuel extraction is undeniably real: for example the Appalachian people who are largely TRUMP voters are anti coal extraction because the process has left their water supplies toxic.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/19...ww.google.com/







These aren't libs, they directly suffer from environmental reckless you guys are now okay with because libs aren't. It goes without being said that the environment should be important to all of us so WHY unless you are a petty idiot would you attack the environmentally conscious?

And another thing, Trump won by swaying people who normally vote democrat, why would you want him to jeapordize reelection over something like the environment? Which most voters agree is important? Being happy liberals are sad that Trumps picking climate change deniers and people whose pockets are lined by the industries is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

[meenman83]

We’re so self-important. So arrogant. Everybody’s going to save something now. Save the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save the snails. And the supreme arrogance? Save the planet! Are these people kidding? Save the planet? We don’t even know how to take care of ourselves; we haven’t learned how to care for one another. We’re gonna save the ****in’ planet? And, by the way, there’s nothing wrong with the planet in the first place. The planet is fine. The people are ****ed! Compared with the people, the planet is doin’ great. It’s been here over four billion years The planet isn’t goin’ anywhere, folks. We are! We’re goin’ away. Pack your ****, we’re goin’ away. And we won’t leave much of a trace. Thank God for that. Nothing left. Maybe a little Styrofoam. The planet will be here, and we’ll be gone. Another failed mutation, another closed-end biological mistake.

-George Carlin

[CaliSuperSport]

Hard to support something that's been so heavily politicized and exploited.

Also, I don't particularly believe in man made climate change. I'm skeptical of biases in the research, and bias CAN exist in science, irregardless of how much liberals want to maintain science is irrefutable.

[hendrixfreak70]

Of course most people care. What most rational people don't want, however, is a government profiting off of this scheme. And it's a scheme. And they will profit.

BRB no cars or factories to blame the Ice Age thaw on
BRB same amount of glaciers now as there were when Al Gore was born.
BRB it's cold still during the winter and warm during the summer. Moon lands on man.
BRB as a company I can pollute, but only if I pay the government enough money to do so.

[RTone]

Don't care much about climate change / global warming,

Do care about clean air, clean water, and plenty of wild animals running around to hunt and fish, etc.

[MojoTheMonkey]

I care about minimizing pollution but don't necessarily believe in man made global warming.

Any idiot can tell you that pollution is bad and shouldn't be done unless it can't be avoided with extreme consequences. However when you see some ugly obese SJW telling us that raising too much cattle is dooming the earth, I'm just not going to care.

[Carpig]

Climate "science" is the only area of research where the traditional scientific method is tossed aside and politics is injected.



There is no need to be wasteful or pollute unnecessarily, but the man-made climate hoax is nothing but unfounded theft from the populations of the first world.

[dabbmw2002]

When it comes to toxins, smog and chit that effects air quality and water quality, I support environmental measures. CO2? Dont care.

[pogioli4]

Hard to support something that's been so heavily politicized and exploited.

Also, I don't particularly believe in man made climate change. I'm skeptical of biases in the research, and bias CAN exist in science, irregardless of how much liberals want to maintain science is irrefutable.

smart man here.

OP, you're as ignorant as the rest of those people out there who just assume every study done is automatically proof of something. If you've done research before, or at least taken some sort of course on methods, you'd realize that you can prove all kinds of untrue things by cherry picking information from studies. If you just did a little research on your own, you'd realize that the earth has gone through much more drastic climate change in its lifetime than we have seen or will ever see during our species' existence here and that natural phenomena actually have a greater impact than anything humans do. Does global warming exist? I'd say that's a pretty short-sited and inaccurate way to put it. No. Does global change exist? Yes. Absolutely. Is any of this caused by man? Quit being so self-centered. You, as a human, are not important enough to have that kind of impact.

Also, polluted water =\= "global warming" so I'd take that stuff outta the OP if that's the argument you are going for. pretty misguided arguing if ya leave all that in there

Edit: nvm, rechecked title and saw you're arguing general environment care as well. I'll agree w/ ya there. We do have a pretty negative effect on the land and water supply. I mean, women on birth control are 99% of the reason our water is so flooded w/ estrogens

[PTzFree]

Hard to support something that's been so heavily politicized and exploited.

Also, I don't particularly believe in man made climate change. I'm skeptical of biases in the research, and bias CAN exist in science, irregardless of how much liberals want to maintain science is irrefutable.

^^ This. I can't stand the argument that if I don't support the climate change agenda I don't believe in it. I hate that term: "believe in it"; like we're talking about fukkin Santa Claus or the fukkin tooth fairy. No doubt it's happening, but I've seen plenty of arguments presented by some very smart people that still couldn't tell me for sure that the carbon levels wouldn't continue to warm the atmosphere without our input. We can't stop this and it's arrogant to try. You're literally asking us to control the weather and when we say, "no" - we're the crazy ones.

Newsflash - the sun is a star. One day it will be gone and there is no amount of green-agenda legislature that is going to prevent it and that's how I feel about earth - it's beyond our control. Ironically, y'all better hope Christians are right and this all comes to a close before that happens because we're not stopping any of this no matter how rich we make Al Gore.

[Dave22reborn]

So how is the US responsible for global warming/climate change? Wouldn't that be a worldwide issue?

[BioDiver]

Of course we care about the environment, and most of us acknowledge that humanity did have a hand in amplifying the natural temperature cycle, which has been going on since industrialization. What we have a problem with is the EPA having too much power, everything being over-regulated to the point that it's costing people their jobs because companies can't afford to keep them and comply with the new regulations, and the fact that people only get the half story and use it to virtue signal as frequently as possible.

[JoshSP1985]

So how is the US responsible for global warming/climate change? Wouldn't that be a worldwide issue?

I thought it was trying to gain traction in the UN so they could attempt to dictate international climate laws to most of the world.

[CaliSuperSport]

^^ This. I can't stand the argument that if I don't support the climate change agenda I don't believe in it. I hate that term: "believe in it"; like we're talking about fukkin Santa Claus or the fukkin tooth fairy. No doubt it's happening, but I've seen plenty of arguments presented by some very smart people that still couldn't tell me for sure that the carbon levels wouldn't continue to warm the atmosphere without our input. We can't stop this and it's arrogant to try. You're literally asking us to control the weather and when we say, "no" - we're the crazy ones.

Newsflash - the sun is a star. One day it will be gone and there is no amount of green-agenda legislature that is going to prevent it and that's how I feel about earth - it's beyond our control. Ironically, y'all better hope Christians are right and this all comes to a close before that happens because we're not stopping any of this no matter how rich we make Al Gore.

smart man here.

Yeah the exploitation seems far more convincing than the science, which makes me a skeptic

When it comes to toxins, smog and chit that effects air quality and water quality, I support environmental measures. CO2? Dont care.

dat crisp new avi

[GrecoRoman]

So how is the US responsible for global warming/climate change? Wouldn't that be a worldwide issue?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement

[thercias]

So how is the US responsible for global warming/climate change? Wouldn't that be a worldwide issue?

USA is a leading figure in the world stage. What America does, other countries follow by example. Trump's EPA pick, his reckless vow to abolish the Paris Climate Agreement plus allow an unregulated coal industry run rampant on our environment gives a signal to other nations to not care about the long-term implications their policies have. This is by far the most disastrous part of Trump's agenda, being anti-science just to 'piss liberals off' just shows how childish Trumpers really are.

Hard to support something that's been so heavily politicized and exploited.

Also, I don't particularly believe in man made climate change. I'm skeptical of biases in the research, and bias CAN exist in science, irregardless of how much liberals want to maintain science is irrefutable.

You are free to be stupid. That is your right. What liberals are asking is to not let your ineptitude impact the lives of others. Thanks.

[Twerk4it]

So how is the US responsible for global warming/climate change? Wouldn't that be a worldwide issue?

Nobody said that it's US alone but America is basically the worlds leader. US is a major polluter like China and India but all 3 were shifting towards more environmentally friendly practices for the better. Australia is p4p the worst offender, major pollution from a small country population wise and they don't care.

[Twerk4it]

When it comes to toxins, smog and chit that effects air quality and water quality, I support environmental measures. CO2? Dont care.

Air and water quality are exactlywhat Trumps guys have terrible records on, even Pence in Indiana.

[PTzFree]

You are free to be stupid. That is your right. What liberals are asking is to not let your ineptitude impact the lives of others. Thanks.

Strong name calling as a rebuttal.
Strong fact presentation.
Strong intellectual superiority.
Strong fukking post.

[dabbmw2002]

dat crisp new avi

Got my toofus fixed

Air and water quality are exactlywhat Trumps guys have terrible records on, even Pence in Indiana.

I'll wait to see what actual regulations they go after before completely condemning them.

[AbyssalWinter]

I care about it hugely because I am not a retard. I do not like the idea of a whole planet of concrete and smog.

Normal right wing retards seem to love that idea, as though just to spite liberals they'd pour motor oil on their burgers and like it.

Yay strip mines! Go capitalism! Muh gdp! *eats burger* "Take that, LIEberals! LOL!"

I also do not know why liberal spergs think environmentalism necessitates open borders pangendered racially ambiguous global Marxism. I am perplexed what mental gymnastics created that hybrid. I am not sure what is supposed to be environmentally friendly or sustainable about a limitless population of retards being lifted up to an American standard of living complete with suburban homes powered by solar panels, college education, eco friendly Priuses and agricultural intensive organic vegan diets.

[Twerk4it]

smart man here.

OP, you're as ignorant as the rest of those people out there who just assume every study done is automatically proof of something. If you've done research before, or at least taken some sort of course on methods, you'd realize that you can prove all kinds of untrue things by cherry picking information from studies. If you just did a little research on your own, you'd realize that the earth has gone through much more drastic climate change in its lifetime than we have seen or will ever see during our species' existence here and that natural phenomena actually have a greater impact than anything humans do. Does global warming exist? I'd say that's a pretty short-sited and inaccurate way to put it. No. Does global change exist? Yes. Absolutely. Is any of this caused by man? Quit being so self-centered. You, as a human, are not important enough to have that kind of impact.

Also, polluted water =\= "global warming" so I'd take that stuff outta the OP if that's the argument you are going for. pretty misguided arguing if ya leave all that in there

Edit: nvm, rechecked title and saw you're arguing general environment care as well. I'll agree w/ ya there. We do have a pretty negative effect on the land and water supply. I mean, women on birth control are 99% of the reason our water is so flooded w/ estrogens

Was gonna tell you to reread the op but then I saw the edit.

I tried to make this less about climate change and more about the impact on the environment we can see right now that's directly impacting people like those mountain dwellers, would be pretty sad to see Trump betray their votes for people who want to profit from something that will cause them misery. And that's just one example, I don't understand why some people are afraid of chemtrails but can applaud people who will bring real threats to our air and water.

[crupiea]

I dont care about climate change.

These people need to go to a third world country and see how they live before preaching to us.

[CaliSuperSport]

You are free to be stupid. That is your right. What liberals are asking is to not let your ineptitude impact the lives of others. Thanks.

the amount of irony and fallacy among the left is astounding

[forcexdistance]

Not a single climate scientist on earth denies man made global warming. Not Exxon. Not the Weather Channel. Every science organization on earth agrees it's true with most saying that it is a real problem

CO2 is a strong greenhouse gas. I presume that even deniers know what that means.


This chart is the truth. No politics needed. Science is quiet. The fossil fuel industry funded campaign to deny the science is not.




OK so, after looking at this chart, and using common sense (remember CO2 is a greenhouse gas) and knowing that every expert on earth agrees it's true, and none of them, not one, deny it, who wants to tell me that man made global warming is not true.

[thercias]

Strong name calling as a rebuttal.
Strong fact presentation.
Strong intellectual superiority.
Strong fukking post.

LOL @ a Trumper acting like he cares about facts. Why don't you care to listen to what every independent fukking scientific organization has to say about the facts when they all come to the same conclusion? That likely won't persuade you much because it's all about what you 'feel' rather then what reality is.

American Association for the Advancement of Science
"The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society." (2006)

American Chemical Society
"Comprehensive scientific assessments of our current and potential future climates clearly indicate that climate change is real, largely attributable to emissions from human activities, and potentially a very serious problem." (2004)

American Geophysical Union
"Human‐induced climate change requires urgent action. Humanity is the major influence on the global climate change observed over the past 50 years. Rapid societal responses can significantly lessen negative outcomes." (Adopted 2003, revised and reaffirmed 2007, 2012, 2013)

American Medical Association
"Our AMA ... supports the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s fourth assessment report and concurs with the scientific consensus that the Earth is undergoing adverse global climate change and that anthropogenic contributions are significant." (2013)

American Meteorological Society
"It is clear from extensive scientific evidence that the dominant cause of the rapid change in climate of the past half century is human-induced increases in the amount of atmospheric greenhouse gases, including carbon dioxide (CO2), chlorofluorocarbons, methane, and nitrous oxide." (2012)

American Physical Society
"The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now." (2007)8

The Geological Society of America
"The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2006), and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2007) that global climate has warmed and that human activities (mainly greenhouse‐gas emissions) account for most of the warming since the middle 1900s."

International academies: Joint statement
"Climate change is real. There will always be uncertainty in understanding a system as complex as the world’s climate. However there is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring. The evidence comes from direct measurements of rising surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures and from phenomena such as increases in average global sea levels, retreating glaciers, and changes to many physical and biological systems. It is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities (IPCC 2001)."

U.S. National Academy of Sciences
"The scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify taking steps to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere." (2005)

U.S. Global Change Research Program
"The global warming of the past 50 years is due primarily to human-induced increases in heat-trapping gases. Human 'fingerprints' also have been identified in many other aspects of the climate system, including changes in ocean heat content, precipitation, atmospheric moisture, and Arctic sea ice." (2009, 13 U.S. government departments and agencies)

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
“Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, and since the 1950s, many of the observed changes are unprecedented over decades to millennia. The atmosphere and ocean have warmed, the amounts of snow and ice have diminished, and sea level has risen.”

“Human influence on the climate system is clear, and recent anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gases are the highest in history. Recent climate changes have had widespread impacts on human and natural systems.”








"The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese to make U.S. manufacturing noncompetitive"
-Dr. Donald Trump

People like you and the person I quoted deserve to be ridiculed and shamed. No worse then anti-vaccines and smoking truthers who have blood in their hands because they decide to propagate in conspiracies rather then accept scientific data.

[AbyssalWinter]

Not a single climate scientist on earth denies man made global warming. Not Exxon. Not the Weather Channel. Every science organization on earth agrees it's true with most saying that it is a real problem

CO2 is a strong greenhouse gas. I presume that even deniers know what that means.


This chart is the truth. No politics needed. Science is quiet. The fossil fuel industry funded campaign to deny the science is not.




OK so, after looking at this chart, and using common sense (remember CO2 is a greenhouse gas) and knowing that every expert on earth agrees it's true, and none of them, not one, deny it, who wants to tell me that man made global warming is not true.

It is less likely a real conspiracy to deny it and most likely uncle Bob being unwilling to give up his diesel truck and various manufactured products, and thus going on a drunken ramble about why he won't have to using reasons he pulled out of his ass.

Who's got time for facts and evidence when you've already made up your mind?

[Twerk4it]

Not a single climate scientist on earth denies man made global warming. Not Exxon. Not the Weather Channel. Every science organization on earth agrees it's true with most saying that it is a real problem

CO2 is a strong greenhouse gas. I presume that even deniers know what that means.


This chart is the truth. No politics needed. Science is quiet. The fossil fuel industry funded campaign to deny the science is not.




OK so, after looking at this chart, and using common sense (remember CO2 is a greenhouse gas) and knowing that every expert on earth agrees it's true, and none of them, not one, deny it, who wants to tell me that man made global warming is not true.

Distrust of the left/petty hate for libs + falling for right wing politicians backed by the industries when they tell you it's a hoax is why people have dumbed themselves down to the level of not believing any evidence for climate change. Still they could at least care about the environment overall and not wait until their water and air is toxic.

[CaliSuperSport]

Not a single climate scientist on earth denies man made global warming. Not Exxon. Not the Weather Channel. Every science organization on earth agrees it's true with most saying that it is a real problem

CO2 is a strong greenhouse gas. I presume that even deniers know what that means.


This chart is the truth. No politics needed. Science is quiet. The fossil fuel industry funded campaign to deny the science is not.




OK so, after looking at this chart, and using common sense (remember CO2 is a greenhouse gas) and knowing that every expert on earth agrees it's true, and none of them, not one, deny it, who wants to tell me that man made global warming is not true.

someone posted some interesting graphs of their own showing an overall reduction in CO2 across millennia. I'd be interested in the counter argument to that.

It said something along the lines that CO2 levels were far higher in pre-history.

Either way, politics has sunk its fangs into the debate.

[ClaptonDeCheeks]

Of course most people care. What most rational people don't want, however, is a government profiting off of this scheme. And it's a scheme. And they will profit.

BRB no cars or factories to blame the Ice Age thaw on

man-made pollution isn't the only source of greenhouse gasses. Volcanoes and farts also produce green house gasses.

Is this something that you considered when you say this?