Game of Thrones - HBO Season V - No Book Discussion OR Spoilers!

[Tbillionaire]

fan made. then spread all over the net but if you google, it's not foudn on any legit/hbo site.

GoT posted it on their legit FB page

[89FoxBody]

Season 5 was dog chit...D&D have murdered countless characters and plot points on this show already. Let's be reality...A made up character "Olly" was in every single episode of season 5...but how many other characters have been completely left out? I can't see what else they can butcher in season 6.

[MajesticLion]

Two words: Sand Snakes.

[Arkileon]

strong new poster

clegane bowl fukkin confirmed


i knew jon was dead.















hes coming back to life, but hes dead

[Clinos]

clegane bowl fukkin confirmed


i knew jon was dead.















hes coming back to life, but hes dead

Isn't he related to the walkers anyway? That poster makes me want to put myself in a coma until April.

[juvefan]

Legit lold at poster

Worst kept secret ever in TV

[StrngLrkrOPeace]

now that that is out of the way, i wonder if stannis is really dead.

[momason]

Legit lold at poster

Worst kept secret ever in TV

well it's the most popular show and they film in public.

name another show that has a thread on a bodybuilding forum with people talking about it when it's months away from airing.

keeping it a secret would have been impossible.

[HomerJThompson]

Glad to see i dont have to root for the whitewalkers. Cant wait for Jon Snow to kill that little chit Olly.

[til027]

now that that is out of the way, i wonder if stannis is really dead.

Doubt it.

When Stannis says "go on, do your duty" I reckon it cuts Brienne and she realizes her duty is to Sansa

[Envi]

clegane bowl fukkin confirmed


i knew jon was dead.
hes coming back to life, but hes dead

[2RDEYE]

a coworker who hasn't read the books came up with this idea that jon is targaryen and when they burn jon's body, maybe melisandre and the onion knight will do it, he'll magically reincarnate again or some chit.

[til027]

a coworker who hasn't read the books came up with this idea that jon is targaryen and when they burn jon's body, maybe melisandre and the onion knight will do it, he'll magically reincarnate again or some chit.

He definitely just read that theory online, the only way people were able to figure out the R+L=J theory was using Ned's fever dream, which we for some reason don't get in the show. And making the leap that Melisande will resurrect Jon is hardly that difficult given we have already seen the red god bring people back to life (Beric Dondarrion) and heard that "only death can pay for life" and "there is power in kings blood" within 24 hours of Jons death 2 people with kings blood die (Selyse and Shireen).

But we'll have to see, it's very quickly become obvious D&D are incapable of maintaining the quality of the show without the source material to follow, so they could just make Jons death/resurrection meaningless.

[RealAdvice]

that red whore is bringing jon snow back to life.... i know it

[2RDEYE]

He definitely just read that theory online, the only way people were able to figure out the R+L=J theory was using Ned's fever dream, which we for some reason don't get in the show. And making the leap that Melisande will resurrect Jon is hardly that difficult given we have already seen the red god bring people back to life (Beric Dondarrion) and heard that "only death can pay for life" and "there is power in kings blood" within 24 hours of Jons death 2 people with kings blood die (Selyse and Shireen).

But we'll have to see, it's very quickly become obvious D&D are incapable of maintaining the quality of the show without the source material to follow, so they could just make Jons death/resurrection meaningless.

what i meant was interesting was the fire idea. never thought of that. i don't think she can just utter the words like thoros. they'll probably throw jon on fire when they burn him and something will happen.

the R+L=J theory was easy to figure out from the tv series alone. i figured it out myself. except the rhaegar part i wasn't too sure about. it was obvious from the first episode.

[til027]

what i meant was interesting was the fire idea. never thought of that. i don't think she can just utter the words like thoros.

the R+L=J theory was easy to figure out from the tv series alone. i figured it out myself. except the rhaegar part i wasn't too sure about. it was painfully obvious from the first episode.

You wouldn't of figured it out if you hadn't read it or heard people talking about it, if you claim otherwise you're a liar. Ned flat out says Wylla was Jons mother and there is no hints based on appearance, in the books Jon is visually different to all his other siblings except Arya who is said to look like Lyanna. There are no big hints from Ned's fever dream, there is no "promise me Ned" and the only real mention of Rhaegar is in passing that he kidnapped and killed her.

The extra information in the books is what lends credence to the theory, we learn that Lyanna and Rhaegar were in love, we learn that Rheagar brought/kidnapped her to the tower of joy where they spent time together, we learn that Lyanna dies in a "bed of blood" aka a birthing bed and that she makes Ned promise her something (to say Jon is his own to save him from Roberts wrath). Post Lyanna's death Ned travels to Starfall to return Arthur Daynes sword, while there he for some reason meets a wetnurse called Wylla (why would Ned meet a wetnurse if not for a baby). Edric Dayne also states that he and Jon Snow are milk brothers (they were both fed by Wylla).

Yet you're telling me that with none of this information you were able to figure out that Jon snow is the Targaryen bastard of Lyanna and Rhaegar... Wow misc we've just found a legit psychic, neat.

And I don't know what you mean from the "fire idea" Targaryen's are not immune to fire (something else saved Danereys, either the magic of Mirri maz durr or the magic of the dragons)

[chrsschb]

You wouldn't of figured it out if you hadn't read it or heard people talking about it, if you claim otherwise you're a liar. Ned flat out says Wylla was Jons mother and there is no hints based on appearance, in the books Jon is visually different to all his other siblings except Arya who is said to look like Lyanna. There are no big hints from Ned's fever dream, there is no "promise me Ned" and the only real mention of Rhaegar is in passing that he kidnapped and killed her.

The extra information in the books is what lends credence to the theory, we learn that Lyanna and Rhaegar were in love, we learn that Rheagar brought/kidnapped her to the tower of joy where they spent time together, we learn that Lyanna dies in a "bed of blood" aka a birthing bed and that she makes Ned promise her something (to say Jon is his own to save him from Roberts wrath). Post Lyanna's death Ned travels to Starfall to return Arthur Daynes sword, while there he for some reason meets a wetnurse called Wylla (why would Ned meet a wetnurse if not for a baby). Edric Dayne also states that he and Jon Snow are milk brothers (they were both fed by Wylla).

Yet you're telling me that with none of this information you were able to figure out that Jon snow is the Targaryen bastard of Lyanna and Rhaegar... Wow misc we've just found a legit psychic, neat.

And I don't know what you mean from the "fire idea" Targaryen's are not immune to fire (something else saved Danereys, either the magic of Mirri maz durr or the magic of the dragons)

I suggest you watch a little closer. I destroyed your logic in the last thread.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...post1260756211

This is all information I pieced together as a non-book reader. Most of it before I had even heard of the R+L=J theory. I eventually had my friend who is a book reader confirm it was just a theory before bringing it into the thread and then being forced to defend myself for supposedly posting spoilers. Looking back on it now after another re-watch of the series + season 5 there's a bit I missed but the hints are all over.

[til027]

I suggest you watch a little closer. I destroyed your logic in the last thread.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...post1260756211

This is all information I pieced together as a non-book reader. Most of it before I had even heard of the R+L=J theory. I eventually had my friend who is a book reader confirm it was just a theory before bringing it into the thread and then being forced to defend myself for supposedly posting spoilers. Looking back on it now after another re-watch of the series + season 5 there's a bit I missed but the hints are all over.

Ok I'll address your points then, just be warned you're about to get into an e-argument with someone who spends a lot of time researching back story on fictional universes.

Jon Snow's parents are unknown. The only people who know are Ned, Jojen, and Howland Reed. Two of them are dead.

Without prior reading of this theory online how would you know Howland knows who Jons father is? That is setup in Neds fever dream which is absent from the show.

Ned never calls Jon, "son."

He doesn't directly call Rob, Bran or Rickon his sons either.

Rob confirms he loved Lyanna, Ned's sister. This leads you to believe he would be pretty possessive of her and jealous of her being with other men.

I've found no mention of Robb ever talking about Lyanna, I did a specific search on this to check aswell. Unless you mean Robert? In which case I don't get the point, yes Robert loved Lyanna, they were betrothed.

Ned refuses to talk about his "affair." Maybe because he never had one. Remember this quote, "And you never will" in response to Rob asking about her.

Ned is a man with a very strict moral code and honour, him not wanting to talk about it due to being ashamed or not wanting to further upset Cat is far more likey than "because he never had one", atleast in the context of the show it is.

Ned tells Jon he will tell him who his mother is next time they meet. Why the wait? Maybe because Ned knows, and if our theory is right that makes Jon the heir to the throne and he doesn't want to start a war with Rob.

Ned was traveling with the King and the entire royal party, not the best time to talk about Job being a secret Targeryen bastard of Roberts dead love and the man he thinks killed her... Maybe Ned thought it might be better to let Jon know in just about any other situation?

Next tells Jon, "You may not share my name, but you share my blood." Why didn't he instead say, "..., but you are my son" ??

Because in GoT the concept of blood is important, if I was in Jons position I wouldn't think anything of him saying that. This is at best a minor throwoff, it doesn't hint to anything other than Jon possibly not being Ned's son.

Rhaegar apparently "kidnapped" Lyanna. Making rape (or a secret love affair) possible.

Yes possible, the context for Jon being her son still doesn't add up though, without Ned's fever dream it makes no sense.

We know Lyanna died during the rebellion. (likely due to childbirth? We know it's possible because of Tyrion)

This point is potato, yes Lyanna died some time around the rebellion, the show never even hint's at childbirth however, they just make it sound like Rhaegar killed her.

We know Lyanna made Ned promise something. (to protect her child?)

No we don't?? "Promise me Ned" is never even mentioned in the show.

We know Ned is arguably the most honorable man in the realm. It's not illogical to think he would care for her child even if it meant disgracing himself. Afterall, the Stark's repeatedly say, "Family comes first."

No denying this, however Ned would also feel just as obligated to care for his own Bastard son. But the Tullys are the ones who say "Family comes first" (Family, Duty, Honour) not the Starks.

If our theory is true that makes Lyanna's child a Targaryen and an enemy of the throne. Rob would have gone apechit and had this child killed immediately. Ned wants to protect his nephew.

Also true but it still there is no context for it in the show.


Sorry but it looks blatantly obvious that you had prior knowledge of this theory to watching the show, half the info you put forward isn't even present in the show... I'm by no means denying R+L=J, as I mentioned above it's very obvious (maybe even to obvious?) in the books. I am however denying anyone being able to pick up on it from the show alone, the info just isn't there.

[mnovotny85]

Doubt it.

When Stannis says "go on, do your duty" I reckon it cuts Brienne and she realizes her duty is to Sansa

It's been confirmed that Stannis IS dead. Source:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0a47ac15c94fa

[MattyMiscer]

It's been confirmed that Stannis IS dead. Source:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0a47ac15c94fa

They also "confirmed" that Jon Snow isn't coming back...

[Vatefairenculer]

a coworker who hasn't read the books came up with this idea that jon is targaryen and when they burn jon's body, maybe melisandre and the onion knight will do it, he'll magically reincarnate again or some chit.

GRRM stated that Targaryens are not immune to fire so I wouldn't expect any miracles like that. What happened to dany was a miracle. And he may be a Targaryen, but he won't be on the side of the fire.

There has to be a balance between fire and ice. I foresee the white walkers being not that bad after all, just as the fire side is not that good either. The wall is build of ice. Who other than the walkers would have build a wall of ice? If someone else built it, then why build a wall of ice against them? The white walkers are just defending their lands.

[angryredlurker]

still can't believe Stannis is dead

the actor is so alpha irl

[RocknRollMuscle]

wait?

who's writing the next season now? george martin or hbo writers? Don't they have to go off his books?

[Brad_Pitt]

Predict NUDE scenes in the new season mates.

Hopefully no chit with dudes anymore.

[Ausaric]

Predict NUDE scenes in the new season mates.

Hopefully no chit with dudes anymore.

Awww does seeing a few dinks make you uncomfortable, little guy?

[AreolaBorealis]

that red whore is bringing jon snow back to life.... i know it

in4 the opening scene of season 6 being a naked mel giving birth to jon snow as a shadow monster

[myzlplix]

in4 the opening scene of season 6 being a naked mel giving birth to jon snow as a shadow monster

This billboard is up all over LA

[Brad_Pitt]

Awww does seeing a few dinks make you uncomfortable, little guy?

Don't really care for the LGBT agenda my soft bodied chubby mate.

Or CGI bobbies in the form of Cersei.

We need the more Red Witch teddies or Dany getting reemed. You can't tell me she will roll up on 1000 horse lords and not get a train run on that puddy cat.

[ausman!]

They also "confirmed" that Jon Snow isn't coming back...

Except GRRM confirmed that Stannis died. And when asked about Jon Snow he laughed.

[Brad_Pitt]

Oh apparently this dude is gonna be stuffing Emily this season.