Your Pre JYMMIES might be Rustled ITT

[Braco1]

I guess Jym put together Scream too...similarities abound.

But I don't think it's overly expensive for what you get - some of the doses are very high. Would probably start with a half scoop of this anyways = 40 serves. So it's right in line with others.

[Madevilz]

caffeine looks fine IMO, surprised to see people complaining about 300 mg. Look at the doses used in humans

http://examine.com/supplements/Caffeine/

I need a minimum of 400mg to feel anything, srs.


6g Citrulline Malate and BCAA, and people complain about cost. lol
Thanks OP for awareness, would have never looked at the product with a name like that. lmao

[kissdadookie]

I need a minimum of 400mg to feel anything, srs.


6g Citrulline Malate and BCAA, and people complain about cost. lol
Thanks OP for awareness, would have never looked at the product with a name like that. lmao

200 mg or so for me and that would work ok depending on what else is in the pre. 300 mg and I will feel it pretty much regardless of what else is in the stuff, except for Jack3d micro, no idea why that stuff just did absolutely next to nothing for me.

[BogusForLife]

Thanks OP for awareness, would have never looked at the product with a name like that. lmao

Snap into a Slim Jym!

[PinchTheBear]

good formula but it probably tastes awful unless he hired a wizard to mask the creatine-HCl

[Madevilz]

good formula but it probably tastes awful unless he hired a wizard to mask the creatine-HCl

Neurocore has C-HCI and it tasted pretty good, imo.

[PinchTheBear]

Neurocore has C-HCI and it tasted pretty good, imo.

Well that's encouraging. I'm only comparing it to PEA from experience, but conjugated with HCl they are both nightmarish as raw powder.

[cjwav34]

Well that's encouraging. I'm only comparing it to PEA from experience, but conjugated with HCl they are both nightmarish as raw powder.

Muscle Tech's Creacore is actually pretty tasty as well. Though you can tell that it's overloaded with sweeteners.

[dtrain13]

Huperzine... donotwant in my pre


dunno why you ruin a pre with beta alanine.


no point having it in a preworkout

There is no reason to not have it in a preworkout either.

[Mr.Cooper69]

There is no reason to not have it in a preworkout either.

But who was craze?

[PinchTheBear]

There is no reason to not have it in a preworkout either.

But who was craze?

Translation: huperzine-A is a kickass ingredient but its place in a pre-workout supplement depends on the formula.

[kerplunkKDD]

Translation: huperzine-A is a kickass ingredient but its place in a pre-workout supplement depends on the formula.

Isn't that with all formulas for all supp categopries pretty much?

[LiftToLive19]

Holy caffeine, Batman!

[itzDodge]

There is no reason to not have it in a preworkout either.

1.) It unnecessarily raises cost. If I want BA I can get it easy
2.) Paresthesia makes an annoying start to every workout.

[PinchTheBear]

1.) It unnecessarily raises cost. If I want BA I can get it easy
2.) Paresthesia makes an annoying start to every workout.

Eek I didn't even notice BA in that previous comment.

BA is actually one of the few great ingredients that never really belongs in a pre-workout, imo. Its uptake and metabolism with histidine to carnosine, though accelerated when muscle is under tension (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20199122), is slow and takes about an hour under the best conditions. (Read: old references, but see Winnick [1963])

Further, its inhibitory activity can be dismissed as beneficial in delaying fatigue or doing anything at all that would enhance performance during training. Intuition suggests that as a distant possibility, but there is no reason to believe it based on close physiological examination and the slacking evidence in research.

Carnosine is the target, not bA itself, and it takes a lengthy supplementation regime to get intramuscular carnosine to supraphysiological levels sufficient for performance enhancement in trained athletes.

[dtrain13]

1.) It unnecessarily raises cost. If I want BA I can get it easy
2.) Paresthesia makes an annoying start to every workout.

1) People might want to take less products.
2) Most enjoy this as its a sign something is going on.

The above is subjective. My point was this new(er) movement in which people are outspoken on including BA in preworkouts (despite this being the norm for many years prior, with success.....) is baseless in terms of non subjective reasons.

[dtrain13]

But who was craze?

Um...lol.

[Derekkk]

Um...lol.

I understand what he means. If you threw BA into Craze then it would be a mess most likely.

[tmd17]

Where's De__eB when you need him?

But in all honestly, everyone quit complaining about the cost. If you have ever spent the extra money and truly experienced the added benefit of a quality profile, your opinion of whats "too expensive" would be much different.

Edit: On a side note, the name is pretty bad.

[poison]

Non-concentrates making a comeback? o.O

Agreed, anyone that is taking 2-3 scoops of their current preworkout is more than likely taking 300mg+.

6 caps rpm crew checking in.

But that's a rarity. I prefer 150 or so.

[kerplunkKDD]

6 caps rpm crew checking in.

But that's a rarity. I prefer 150 or so.

RPMs, capped or uncapped?

[PinchTheBear]

My point was this new(er) movement in which people are outspoken on including BA in preworkouts is baseless in terms of non subjective reasons.

No it isn't. Beta-alanine does not do anything pre-workout because beta-alanine does not do anything beneficial for performance enhancement.

Carnosine, however, does. Rhizome says it best here:

BA doesn't do anything. It's the synthesized carnosine that has the H+ buffering

[...]

So you think that carnosine is actually synthesized in any significant amount during that hour or so and when you're just trickling a little in at a time?

The answer to that rhetorical question is, "I sure hope not, captain."

[poison]

RPMs, capped or uncapped?

I may be crazy, but I'm not stupid.

[dtrain13]

No it isn't. Beta-alanine does not do anything pre-workout because beta-alanine does not do anything beneficial for performance enhancement.

Carnosine, however, does. Rhizome says it best here:




The answer to that rhetorical question is, "I sure hope not, captain."

We're arguing semantics. I understand there might not be any specific benefit to taking it pre workout vs any other time during the day. However if you should choose to take your daily dose or half your daily dose pre workout thats quite fine. Thats my point. It also can be a convenience for most. Not having to worry about this powder and that powder etc.. Yes, Carnosine is the target and its the efficacy is base on accumulation over time.

[tmd17]

I understand that BA is pointless in most PWOs, but then again only <5% of the intended market actually cares about if it "works" or not. The rest of users take a product (ex. C4) and feel the tingles, and THINK that the product is indeed working and having a positive effect on their workout. Thats why I think its a smart move by companies to keep BA in their PWO formulas.

[kerplunkKDD]

I may be crazy, but I'm not stupid.

Almost shot water out my nose. LoL.

[Terrimonas]

We're arguing semantics. I understand there might not be any specific benefit to taking it pre workout vs any other time during the day. However if you should choose to take your daily dose or half your daily dose pre workout thats quite fine. Thats my point. It also can be a convenience for most. Not having to worry about this powder and that powder etc.. Yes, Carnosine is the target and its the efficacy is base on accumulation over time.

What is at issue among other things is the potential acute central inhibitory effects of BA.

[DASBUNKER]

Would prefer caffeine on the 200-250mg range and add separately if needed, but 300mg isn't overly high, it's on my upper limit though. Not to mention it doesn't contain many other "hard" stimulants like AY, so caffeine is mainly the base.

[Tyler44]

We're arguing semantics. I understand there might not be any specific benefit to taking it pre workout vs any other time during the day. However if you should choose to take your daily dose or half your daily dose pre workout thats quite fine. Thats my point. It also can be a convenience for most. Not having to worry about this powder and that powder etc.. Yes, Carnosine is the target and its the efficacy is base on accumulation over time.

But if a formulation is driven by science, science suggests it to be a pointless cost raising ingredient in a preworkout product.




Regardless, the formula in OP is pretty good. I doubt it will last the test of time. For the most part, this industry is lead by underdosed, cheap to make products, that provide a "feeling'. Yet, aiding little in performance.

[Daycrawler]

Translation: huperzine-A is a kickass ingredient but its place in a pre-workout supplement depends on the formula.

I like Huperzine stand alone, but i prefer nootropics for the most part to stay outta pre-workouts.

1) People might want to take less products.
2) Most enjoy this as its a sign something is going on.

The above is subjective. My point was this new(er) movement in which people are outspoken on including BA in preworkouts (despite this being the norm for many years prior, with success.....) is baseless in terms of non subjective reasons.

No, not baseless for anyone who has above a 10th grade reading level and can follow simple logic.

There's no additional benefit to adding BA into a pre-workout, and as such it's an unnecessary cost to a product which is passed onto the consumer.

It's done with the intent of 'tingles' therefore enticing customers who think it's 'doing' something, when in fact there's no science showing it has any acute benefit pre-workout whatsoever.