Congrats on passing, btw is the answer horizontal, because you tire out one muscle before moving onto the next? that would be my guess
EDIT: upon reading the section again I believe it is Vertical training as it deals with multiple plane of motion and different exercises while still having resistance on the muscles.
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02-14-2013, 06:17 PM #541
Last edited by Greek_kid; 02-14-2013 at 06:34 PM.
AYY LMAO
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02-14-2013, 11:35 PM #542
Wow, just finished studying all the 400 questions on the NASM UM App.
I didn't just go through them, I looked up every answer to make sure I understood the NASM way of doing things. Additionally, I made an index correlating the question number to the book so in the future i can look up an answer very quickly as I wrote the question numbers in the book.
I might even move up my test a day.
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02-15-2013, 02:27 PM #543
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02-15-2013, 05:27 PM #544
I have the 4th edition textbook, according to the 7.6 table (page 183) when knees moves inward the possible overactive muscles, among others, are: vastus lateralis and TFL. Is this correct?, it doesn't make sense to me because in that position those muscle actually are lengthened. What do you think about it?
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02-15-2013, 05:45 PM #545
When I do it I can feel it tighten. The basic functional movement of tensor fascia latae is walking. The tensor fascia lata is heavily utilized in horse riding, hurdling and water skiing. Some problems that arise when this muscle is tight or shortened are pelvic imbalances that lead to pain in hips, as well as pain in the lower back and lateral area of knees.
"Because of its insertion point on the lateral condyle of the tibia, it also aids in the lateral rotation of the tibia. This lateral rotation may be initiated in conjunction with hip abduction and medial rotation of the femur while kicking a soccer ball. The tensor fasciae latae works in synergy with the gluteus medius and gluteus minimus muscles to abduct and medially rotate the femur."Last edited by shimmeringpearl; 02-15-2013 at 05:56 PM. Reason: corrected information
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02-15-2013, 06:11 PM #546
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02-15-2013, 06:14 PM #547
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02-15-2013, 06:35 PM #548
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02-16-2013, 11:17 AM #549
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02-16-2013, 01:54 PM #550
This is purely a guess: even when a muscle is lengthening to decelerate a motion there is still contraction. It is not like the muscle is completely relaxed and lengthed all of a sudden. When you look at the length tension relationship and if the vastus lateralis is tight then it will not be lengthened like it is supposed to be. Does that make sense? So, yes, it is lengthened but not lengthened enough. Then you apply altered reciprocal inhibition (muscle inhibition caused by a tight agonist, which decreases neural drive of its functional antagonist). When we look at the muscles as a synergy instead of just the isolated functions then we can see how the other concepts apply. Also to consider is that the position of the other tight muscles can put a muscle in a position it is not supposed to be in so it will do things it does not normally do ie. synergistic dominance. Honestly, I confused myself so I need to think about it a little more, lol.
Ok, I got it. When we look at the synergy the job is supposed to be an antagonist but when placed in an improper position then it becomes a synergist or stabilizer instead of being the antagonist which causes it to be overactive/tighter/shorter than it normally would be.Last edited by shimmeringpearl; 02-16-2013 at 02:02 PM.
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02-16-2013, 05:30 PM #551
it sounds reasonable because when I asked a friend who uses to move her knees inward she told me she does not feel any muscle tightening, it is a comfortable position for her, so the muscle is working as a sinergist as you said, in the other hand, the muscle may be just not working at all and the book is wrong, but with all that information, I think mechanically is just no possible to the vastus lateralis to move the knees inward.
I found on internet a NASM´s Corrective Exercice Specialist book and they talk about pronated distortion syndrome but they dont talk about the vastus lateralis as a posible overactive muscle, it really confuses me, so I wrote to NASM and I will let you know what they say.
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02-16-2013, 08:35 PM #552
I passed the NASM test today, I fully recommend the E-Teach Course that NASM offers on their website. For anybody that doesn't know the e-teach course has a guarantee, if you score a maximum on all of your chapter tests, and submit your work on time, score a high enough score on your mid term and final test....and you fail the NASM, then you get your money back! (That is a basic summary of the course guarantee!)
What I found for myself while sitting down for the actual test is just like other people are posting on here, the test wording can be very difficult, especially after taking the practice tests and thinking that you got it down. You are expecting questions to be pretty similar to the practice tests that NASM provides, but in fact they can be very different, almost tricky!
What worked for me? I am happy to say that I passed the test the first time that I took it, and even though it is a hard test because of all of the information; I say the best thing you can do is understand the very concept of what they are teaching you! Get to the point where you can teach it to somebody else accurately, then it doesn't matter the way that they word anything, there is only one correct answer and you will know how to get to it! You will need to memorize some things, I say find what your learning style is and learn it that way! This is why the E-teach course is so great, if you are a visual learner, there is a video instructing you every week, there are tests every week, and discussions every week. This really hammers the information in! Now all you have to do is relate to the information, and find a common ground where you are so comfortable with the concept that you can teach it to somebody!
Well if anybody has any questions please feel free to message me at anytime, I will get back to you with an answer!
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02-16-2013, 08:53 PM #553
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02-17-2013, 02:53 PM #554
Question about the CPR/AED cert. Just want to confirm I'm doing the right class. Plan on doing it through the America Red Cross. They have CPR/AED certs for lay responders and first responders. The lay responders class is all that is needed right? They also have adult first aid/cpr/aed and just cpr/aed. Again, just need the cpr/aed right?
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02-17-2013, 03:19 PM #555
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02-17-2013, 03:25 PM #556
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02-17-2013, 03:37 PM #557
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02-18-2013, 08:39 AM #558
I got the FA/CPR/AED because it was offered at the community center for cheap.
Here is a link for the NASM site, everything you need to know is there: www (dot)nasm.org/personal-trainer/exam-information
Current, valid Emergency Cardiac Care (CPR) and Automated External Defibrillator (AED) certification from:
American Heart Association
American Red Cross
American Safety and Health Institute
St. John Ambulance
Emergency Care & Safety Institute
Emergency Medical Technician
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02-18-2013, 08:41 AM #559
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02-18-2013, 02:13 PM #560
in NASM ******** page they answer me this to explain why vastus lateralis is overactive when knees move inward:
"Thanks for your questions and I appreciate your enthusiasm for learning the material.
If the knees cave-inward during the Overhead Squat test, there are several muscles, connective tissues, and joints that can be implicated in this dysfunction. However the Overhead Squat test is designed to give fitness professionals a general overview of movement impairments and guidance for improving these dysfunctions. Diagnostic evaluations are beyond the scope of personal trainers and should be reserved for licensed professionals (i.e. physical therapists, MD’s).
The vastus lateralis (VL) is implicated because when overactive it can cause lateral tracking of the patella and influence (or become influenced) by knee valgus motions. This usually occurs in conjuction with abnormal contraction intensity and onset timing (i.e. weakness) of the vastus medialis oblique (VMO).
Each of the quadriceps muscles either exerts a medial or lateral pull of the patella as it slides in the groove (femoral trochlea). When these forces balance each other, they cooperate to track the patella through the groove with little stress to the joint surface. If they do not balance each other, the patella may not track optimally. The degree of lateral pull exerted by the quadriceps is often referred to as the Q-angle. Factors that increase the Q-angle also tend to increase knee valgus. These factors include an overstretched medial collateral ligament (MCL), hip internal rotation and adduction, and foot pronation.
I hope this helps."
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02-18-2013, 10:59 PM #561
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02-18-2013, 11:31 PM #562
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02-19-2013, 12:08 AM #563
thanks that makes me feel better, I noticed for the most part each group is the same except for maybe one or 2, for example in the lower leg musculature the Anterior Tibialis is concentrically accelerates dorsiflexion and inversion while the Posterior tibialis is Plantar flexion and inversion of the foot. so for the most part as long as I can remember the odd one out it should not be that bad right?
AYY LMAO
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02-19-2013, 10:47 AM #564
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02-19-2013, 10:50 AM #565
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02-19-2013, 07:17 PM #566
Thanks for this! Have been studying since december and have been using this forum hand in hand. Ive finished the book and have been reading my study notes. Not sure if I am just over thinking it, but something just doesnt seem to be clicking. I plan on taking the test when I finish up teaching in Thailand next month. Is there something out there that can get me to that comfort level? Thanks again for this. Truly grateful
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02-20-2013, 07:43 PM #567
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