there are many modern day christians like u that disgust me, not everything like that applies, just cuz everyone is havin premarital sex and going out every weekend n try to "bang sloots" does that mean it is okay to do it, that you wont go to hell for it? no. u cant justify everything by saying oh times change. lust and product of the devil is lust and product of the devil.
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01-17-2013, 03:13 PM #91
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01-17-2013, 03:32 PM #92'On many levels, mathematics itself operates as Whiteness. Who gets credit for doing and developing mathematics, who is capable in mathematics, and who is seen as part of the mathematical community is generally viewed as White' - Rochelle Gutierrez, Professor of Mathematics at the University of Illinois.
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01-17-2013, 03:34 PM #93
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01-17-2013, 03:39 PM #94
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01-17-2013, 04:00 PM #95'On many levels, mathematics itself operates as Whiteness. Who gets credit for doing and developing mathematics, who is capable in mathematics, and who is seen as part of the mathematical community is generally viewed as White' - Rochelle Gutierrez, Professor of Mathematics at the University of Illinois.
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01-17-2013, 05:35 PM #96
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01-17-2013, 05:50 PM #97
I'm sorry for being brash here, but what did you just say? Do you speak English? How the heck does Sodomy not come from Sodom and Gomorrah? Let alone, have you ever read the Bible, because it sounds like you are quoting your highschool/college professor here. Furthermore, why do you bring up the bible if you yourself dont believe; what that give you the right to judge us when you yourself follow your own wishes and wants?
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01-17-2013, 05:58 PM #98Originally Posted by lasher
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–Henry Rollins
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01-17-2013, 06:04 PM #99
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01-18-2013, 09:04 AM #100
The teachings of Jesus are nonviolent. The coming of Jesus in the flesh changes everything for humanity. Jesus himself becomes the scapegoat that suffers a violent death and is raised from the dead to show sin, death, and the devil will not reign as he comes to judge the living and the dead. Human beings are not to ever dispense final justice because this is the domain of God. All people will stand before God some day in judgement, but yes, the Bible does teach a categorical "no" to homosexuality in both the OT and NT. Of course, you may be aware there are huge conflicts going on within Christian denominations about this issue in light of the modern understanding of homosexuality not being a "choice". One of the questions being raised is whether social, scientific, and other issues of the first century are totally transferable to our understandings in the modern world. There are a variety of different viewpoints on this issue. It's really an issue about how an ancient document and social practices and understandings are to be interpreted in the modern world. Different theologians have different viewpoints on this issue. I hope this is somewhat helpful, but the bottom line is violence of any kinds should not be an option for the Christian. Yet, in saying this, there is even controversy on this issue, i.e. Christian involvement in the plot to kill Hitler and Just War theory.
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01-18-2013, 10:21 AM #101
the bottom line is that its still a sin, like lying, cheating, murdering, etc. and they ALL carry the death penatly and we are ALL guilty of most of them.
the church is not here to enforce the penalty for sin, we are here to proclaim to you the way to be forgiven and to live and not die.
the lord will do his own enforcement, whenever and however he pleases to and doesent need our help.
also, sodom and the cities of the plain were not destroyed because they were merely full of homosexuals, they were destroyed because, to a man, the whole city publicy enforced and promoted it.
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01-18-2013, 02:25 PM #102
OP do you even Bible???
Next time before you post a thread with such a weak argument, do a little research and save yourself the humiliation. I thought atheist pride themselves of their intellect. Clearly you don't.
As already pointed out, the verse you quoted is from the OT, that's Jewish law, given to Moses after the Jewish people escaped Egyptian captivity.
I actually Loled hard when I read the OP.
Using Jewish laws to try and say Christians aren't following the Bible???
Use Jesus' teachings to try and convict us next time brah
You don't even realize what your talking about. Read the NT. Did you know practicing homosexuals can go to heaven? Yes that right. Although homosexuality is a sin, in Gods eyes its no different than adultery, stealing, lust etc. ANY sin is enough to "disqualify" you from heaven, and yet the other side of this is ANY sin can be forgiven through Jesus.
Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
There is nothing that can disqualify you from being a Christian so long and you do what that verse says. So you can believe in evolution, you can be a practicing homosexual, you can be a ****phile, a murderer, a rapist.
Jesus taught LOVE not hate, please next time don't post on a subject you know nothing about.
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01-18-2013, 02:33 PM #103"I kept looking in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven one like a Son of Man was coming, and He came up to the Ancient of Days and was presented before Him. And to Him was given dominion, glory and a kingdom, that all the peoples, nations and men of every language might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion which will not pass away; and His kingdom is one which will not be destroyed."
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01-18-2013, 02:44 PM #104
You are incorrect. The Greek in 1 Cor. 6:9 for "homosexual" is the proper term for a man who lies with a man as if with a women -- a homosexual. The word is, ἀρσενοκοίτης, and here is an online link to its Strong's Concordance number: http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/...ngs=G733&t=NIV. The root for ἀρσενοκοίτης is the same as that used for the Septuagint for the Leviticus commandment for the community of Israel to execute homosexuals in their midst.
Romans 1 is referring to pagan worship rituals and the hedonistic practices of the Greco-Romans. Christians had reverted to their old ways, and began creating idols in the shape of animals they worshipped instead of God. As punishment, God gave them over to their hedonism, and men began presumably having anal sex with the women in the temples as part of their pagan worship. Paul's entire audience in Romans 1 was not gay. And in Romans 2, Paul says that anyone who condemns those people will not escape judgement, because everyone does the exact same thing. Which logically means, if Paul is condemning gays in Romans 1, he's calling everybody gay in Romans 2.
Conservative "Christians" have butchered those 2 verses beyond all recognition. Pulling them out of context, language, and original culture. All to justify their bigotry and hatred of gays."I kept looking in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven one like a Son of Man was coming, and He came up to the Ancient of Days and was presented before Him. And to Him was given dominion, glory and a kingdom, that all the peoples, nations and men of every language might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion which will not pass away; and His kingdom is one which will not be destroyed."
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01-18-2013, 02:56 PM #105
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01-18-2013, 03:00 PM #106
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01-18-2013, 03:01 PM #107'On many levels, mathematics itself operates as Whiteness. Who gets credit for doing and developing mathematics, who is capable in mathematics, and who is seen as part of the mathematical community is generally viewed as White' - Rochelle Gutierrez, Professor of Mathematics at the University of Illinois.
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01-18-2013, 03:07 PM #108
Since before Christ. The Septuagint is the entire Hebrew Scriptures penned in Greek. Also, the target audience of Paul's letter almost always were Greek speakers. It makes sense that he would either write in Greek himself, or use multilingual scribes -- a common practice in that day for all sorts of writers.
"I kept looking in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven one like a Son of Man was coming, and He came up to the Ancient of Days and was presented before Him. And to Him was given dominion, glory and a kingdom, that all the peoples, nations and men of every language might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion which will not pass away; and His kingdom is one which will not be destroyed."
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01-18-2013, 03:14 PM #109
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01-18-2013, 03:20 PM #110
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01-18-2013, 03:46 PM #111
Well, to be clear, homosexuality is never mentioned in the Old Testament either. Only 2 verses mention same-sex behavior and 1) In Hebrew, they don't refer to what we describe as homosexuality today, 2) It's in the direct context of pagan worship rituals for the Caananite fertility gods, and 3) Lesbians are never condemned in the entire Hebrew Bible, meaning it's not condemning "homosexuality", as lesbians are homosexual too.
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01-18-2013, 03:47 PM #112
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01-18-2013, 03:48 PM #113
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01-18-2013, 03:53 PM #114
The word Sodom comes from the Hebrew Cedom which means "to scorch". That word had no sexual meaning until quite late in history.
As for why Sodom was destroyed,
Ezekiel 16:49"'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
And if you think Sodom had anything to do with gays, try reading Judges 19. Completely disproves that theory, but Fundie extremists never read that one.
As for me, I don't reject the Bible. I'm a Messianic Jew. I was studying the Torah in Hebrew when I was 8. I just don't blindly except the ignorance of Conservative extremists trying to use God and the Bible as justification for their bigotry.
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01-18-2013, 03:55 PM #115
Oh look, someone else who knows nothing about what they're talking about. Inhospitality was why Sodom was destroyed. It was a huge offense in those cultures.
Ezekiel 16:49 "'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
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01-19-2013, 12:37 AM #116
Fiyero, brah, why did you just pretend that my post (look up a little bit) did not exist? I hope it's not troublesome for your worldview, but yes, the New Testament condemns homosexuality. (Along with other sins, of course.)
"I kept looking in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven one like a Son of Man was coming, and He came up to the Ancient of Days and was presented before Him. And to Him was given dominion, glory and a kingdom, that all the peoples, nations and men of every language might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion which will not pass away; and His kingdom is one which will not be destroyed."
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01-19-2013, 12:46 AM #117
I was born Jewish and studied Hebrew from a young age as well. Try to bullchit them, but don't try and bullchit me. The Bible in Hebrew, Greek, and English condemns homosexuality -- Old Testament and New Testament alike. This is not an excuse for irrational hatred or bigotry. But it is a basis for Bible Believers to oppose homosexuality. You should step back for a moment and ask yourself, "Am I changing my self according to Scripture, or am I changing Scripture according to me?"
"I kept looking in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven one like a Son of Man was coming, and He came up to the Ancient of Days and was presented before Him. And to Him was given dominion, glory and a kingdom, that all the peoples, nations and men of every language might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion which will not pass away; and His kingdom is one which will not be destroyed."
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01-19-2013, 08:24 AM #118
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It's Leviticus. Your question should be why aren't Jews killing gays? If one insists on taking the Bible as a Christian instruction manual, then you have to strike the Old Testament from the equation. The notion that people are obligated to enforce God's will themselves is an Old Testament thing.
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01-19-2013, 08:28 AM #119
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