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    Critique my upper/lower split please

    Hi, I have been lifting for around two years now and this is my second week on a upper/lower split. I came from doing a chest/bis, shoulder/tris, back, legs routine. I plan to stick with this routine for a few more weeks and see how it works for me.

    This is basically a modification of PHUL on Muscle&Strength focused more on hypertrophy:

    "exercise" "sets" "reps"

    BB Bench 3 8-10
    Pec Dec / Cable Fly 3 8-12
    BB Row 3 8-12
    Lat Pull Down 3 8-12
    BB Press 3 8-12
    Lateral Raise 3 8-12
    BB Curl 3 8-12
    Ez-Bar Skullcrusher 3 8-12

    Lower (second lower is a replica except maybe change a few exercises here and there)
    Deadlift 3 5
    Leg Press 3 8-12
    DB Lunge 3 8-12
    Leg Extension 3 8-12
    Leg Curl 3 8-12
    Calf Raises 3 8-12

    Upper
    Incline BB Bench 3 8-10
    Chest Dip 3 8-12
    Seated Cable Row 3 8-12
    One Arm DB Row 3 8-12
    DB Press 3 8-12
    Facepull 3 8-12
    Incline DB Curl 3 8-12
    Cable Tricep Extension 3 8-12

    I know it's still early on and I am only on my second week, but I have noticed that by the third set I fatigue and my reps drop significantly, ESPECIALLY by the time I hit the barbell press. I guess I have a few questions:
    1. Should I worry about inconsistencies on the final set? I am monitoring weight and my macros/nutrition/sleep seem to be pretty good.
    2. Am I doing too many reps per workout?
    3. I am doing 3 compound movements on my first upper workout and only doing 1 compound movement on my second upper workout. Should I switch the BB press with the DB press? Would this help with fatigue?
    4. Any other feedback is welcome
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    Originally Posted by Dylan13579 View Post
    I know it's still early on and I am only on my second week, but I have noticed that by the third set I fatigue and my reps drop significantly, ESPECIALLY by the time I hit the barbell press. ...
    1. Should I worry about inconsistencies on the final set?
    Reduce your weights so you can get through your desired rep range for all 3 sets of each exercise, esp since you're getting significantly fatigued halfway through.

    Originally Posted by Dylan13579 View Post
    2. Am I doing too many reps per workout?
    Similar to fatigue problem in 1 above, your volume may be too high. You may want to cut out a few sets/exercises somewhere - possibly some of the isolations on each day or similar exercises between the two days.

    Originally Posted by Dylan13579 View Post
    3. I am doing 3 compound movements on my first upper workout and only doing 1 compound movement on my second upper workout. Should I switch the BB press with the DB press? Would this help with fatigue?
    See 1 and 2 above. Don't think DB press will help fatigue if you're giving a full effort. I'd also get rid of one of the rows in Upper 2 and add pullups instead.

    Originally Posted by Dylan13579 View Post
    4. Any other feedback is welcome
    Think volume may be a bit high for you.

    Is there a second leg day? Or is it 2 Uppers/1 Lower? Or just same leg day twice?
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    Originally Posted by air2fakie View Post
    Is there a second leg day? Or just same leg day twice?
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    Originally Posted by air2fakie View Post
    Reduce your weights so you can get through your desired rep range for all 3 sets of each exercise, esp since you're getting significantly fatigued halfway through.



    Similar to fatigue problem in 1 above, your volume may be too high. You may want to cut out a few sets/exercises somewhere - possibly some of the isolations on each day or similar exercises between the two days.



    See 1 and 2 above. Don't think DB press will help fatigue if you're giving a full effort. I'd also get rid of one of the rows in Upper 2 and add pullups instead.



    Think volume may be a bit high for you.

    Is there a second leg day? Or is it 2 Uppers/1 Lower? Or just same leg day twice?
    Appreciate all the feedback. Yeah, I pretty much replicate the same leg day, maybe a different exercise here and there but same structure. I am trying to get about 12 sets a week per large muscle group so if I drop a set or two I'd be doing like ten sets a week. You think that's still sufficient? The first and second sets I hit my desired rep range just fine but the fatigue sets in outta nowhere for the final set.
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    Originally Posted by Dylan13579 View Post
    I am trying to get about 12 sets a week per large muscle group so if I drop a set or two I'd be doing like ten sets a week. You think that's still sufficient? The first and second sets I hit my desired rep range just fine but the fatigue sets in outta nowhere for the final set.
    You can drop a couple isolations or sets from them. Either way lower your weights so you can get through your rep ranges.

    If you can’t follow your own workout scheme for any of your exercises it’s not the right program for you the way it’s set up.
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