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01-18-2022, 12:22 PM #661
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01-19-2022, 03:46 AM #662
I'll be starting on the dumbell alternative as I can't access a barbell or plates. Question: How do I manage the medium and light workout days when there's no dbs that are 10%/20% lighter? For instance for the seated arnold press I'll be starting with 10kg. The weights available are 5kg, 7.5kg, 10kg, 12.5kg etc (2.5kg increments). How would I work around that? Thanks
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01-19-2022, 10:15 AM #663
you may want to make your own "fractional weight set" out of some hoops of chain to make some 1.25lb/.5kg micro weights so you can go up and down 2.5lbs/1kg. Some gyms dont even have 2.5/1kg pound plates, so that could be replace with 2 hoops per side.
https://caloriebee.com/fitness-equip...r-Microloading
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01-26-2022, 10:09 AM #664
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01-27-2022, 04:19 AM #665
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01-27-2022, 10:06 AM #666
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01-29-2022, 09:58 AM #667
Program Beginner Help
Hello all
Starting the program after running round the gym the last few weeks with no real plan just lifting stuff (mainly using machines if im honest) have lifted weights on and off before.
Problem im having is squats feel like they are gona give me issues tried today as far as im aware to keep my form good only 20kg on the bar and gettin some lower back pain during the lift (not sure if thats to be expected in a beginner with a ****ty core)
Overhead presses I struggle to do without my lower back rounding (****ty core again im guessing)
Bent over rows I have always struggled with so I usually t bar row plate loaded so wide grip and close is an option not sure if that would be an acceptable alternative (ive guessed not as it probably takes alot of the stabilisation work away)
Thank you
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01-29-2022, 10:49 AM #668
U have zero back/core strength. Thats why it fails in basically every lift, and you have to t-bar row(which takes the back completely out of the movement)
Allpro(and most beginner routines) use the back as the limiting factor, and hammer the crap out of it. Basically the programs are setup so that the back is the first thing to compromise, so that you can not over power it with your legs for example.
Ive had people start allpro body weight with a broom handle to mimic the bar, and even that was tough for them due to imbalances.
My advice is quit ego lifting and choose weights appropriate for your weakest link.
You may even want to "not work out" and just focus on your core/back for 6-8 weeks before you start "a" beginner routine.
If you want to try that:
High foot farmer walks/carries
hanging leg raise
allpro (fixed neutral back, for hamstrings)SLDL
old school(back rounding, for spinal erectors) SLDL:
https://youtu.be/X0WYUoZ-Om0
(chest unsupported) narrow row. This could be seated cable rowing machine
This "mini program" needs to be high rep low weight. 2-3 sets of each for around 20 rep sets. 3-4 sessions per week. Since this will be high rep and you are a beginner, you will need to take at least 3min rests between sets, so you dont get sloppy. Weight should be something that you can do at least 16 of, but cant do 24 of.
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01-29-2022, 11:18 AM #669
Thanks for that great advice.
Going to the gym and ego lifting explains me perfectly unfortunately, as much weight as i could with no focus on form, hurt myself one way or another, stop going then repeat trying to do it right this time round.
Gona go tomorrow empty the bar or use a broom handle where im really struggling and start tryin to perfect the bent over row (it wouldnt give me pain as such just never feels as if im doing it right if that makes sense)
Would it be ok to alternate your core/back routine and the allpro on seperate days?
Thanks again for the reply.
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01-29-2022, 01:02 PM #670
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01-29-2022, 01:40 PM #671
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01-29-2022, 01:42 PM #672
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=9
Possibly even here, as a few people have posted form checks for allpro routine. But i can only check videos for a window of a hour or two at night so it might be several days.
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01-29-2022, 02:01 PM #673
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01-30-2022, 02:17 AM #674
So went and started my 10 rep max check today and soon realised i had definatly been trying to lift too heavy in the past, first time ive squatted without back pain just by watching a few videos and realising i wasnt breathing or bracing correctly massive difference.
Started from empty bar warm up and added a few times until either my form started gettin a bit crappy or i felt like i wouldnt get another rep after 10 and used the calculators to get my work weights (planning to do this a few times before I start properly).
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01-30-2022, 02:24 AM #675
Starting weights after that were (all including bar)
Squats 70kg
Bench Presses 50kg
Bent-Over Rows 55kg
Overhead Barbell Presses 25kg
Stiff-Legged Deadlifts 60kg
Barbell Curls 22.5kg
Calf Raises 40kg (dumbells)
Question is can you swap the calf raises out for calf raises on the smith/seated leg press as far as ive read they seem to be purely for aesthetic? The free weight versions feel so damn awkward
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01-30-2022, 05:43 AM #676
calf raises anything goes, you can even skip them if you like your current size. What you can not do is swap them for another exercise that "involves" the calfs. calf raise you are going for full range of motion, which will help with "buttwink" in the squat by increasing ankle mobility. So you could use the leg press, if you can just have the balls of your feet on the platform, so that the heel can uh drop below the horizon. You can not just do a "flat foot raise".
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01-30-2022, 06:12 AM #677
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02-01-2022, 12:02 PM #678
Wanting to start this after injury, been in an airboot for 3 months tibia stress fracture just gettin back to the gym after getting back to normality, physio said he doesnt recommend squats as they can put strain on the tibia and knee, asked if there was any alternative he said if i really wanted to do a leg exercise hex bar deads probably would be best, would it be acceptable to swap out for the hex deadlift in this case.
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02-01-2022, 02:19 PM #679
The best knee freindly version would be a true box squat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP2b1KnLIUw
If done correctly there is very little ankle movement, and the torque is equalized on the knee. And the tibia remains in the upright position the entire time. This would technically be easier on the tibia vs a hex bar deadlift.
You kinda know you got the form and stance right when you end up sitting on the box, and the tibia is perpendicular to the floor in all directions. Its a unique form, you are not just "normal squatting onto a box".
If not yes you can do a deficit hex bar deadlift, but you are not allowed to touch the floor between reps, just like the SLDL.
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02-03-2022, 09:23 PM #680
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02-03-2022, 11:30 PM #681
Going back to gym for the first time in post pandemic world and I know where to come even before I pay my gym fee. Good to see you nightanole. I used to follow all your posts when I was doing all pro in pre pandemic world. So many things have changed after CoVid but you helping out people with your posts seems to be a permanent thing and I for one is so grateful for it.
Now I have two questions. I have been doing intermittent fasting 16/8. Would it be possible to do all pro while following that? And BP has always been my weakest lift. Is there anything I can do from the beginning to solve this?
Thank you in advance. Your posts have always been helpful for me in the past.
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02-04-2022, 04:19 AM #682
You are running on whatever you ate 8-12 hours ago, not what you ate 4 hours ago(blood glucose). So if you havent eaten in the last 8-12 hours, its going to be rough, just like the folks that workout at 5am before work.
As for the bench, it seems people get over a hump by doing a few really heavy reps at the end of the workout. For safety (or if you have safety bars) you could do a floor press using around 90% of your 1rm, aka 125% of your heavy day weight. This should get you 1-3 reps depending on your energy levels. If you are getting a constant 3 you want to add a bit more weight. This can be done for 1-2 sets at the end of every workout. This seems to clean up inefficient form.
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02-05-2022, 05:45 AM #683
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02-05-2022, 09:07 AM #684
Q6: what type of extra cardio should I do?
A: The recommended cardio is 3x 10k jogs per week. This can be any Low Intensity Steady State exercise, as long as the pace is sustainable for at least 45minutes, even if you do it in 20min bursts throughout the week. Doing the cardio will increase recovery. HIIT is not recommended because it counts as an additional lifting session and will rob recovery.
If you cant carry a conversation when doing it, its too intense. Ive had plenty of people do WOW/pokemon/zoom meetings, with the under the desk pedal bikes for an hour a day.
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02-07-2022, 07:19 AM #685
Hi ,
I had started the training in June and did it for 6 months, bumped the weight and completed few cycles successfully.
On 18th Nov I stopped as I had to travel. I have not been training for the past 2.5 months and I have also gained around 5kgs in the past few months.
Now I am going to start the program again, my question is what weight should I start? Do I need to do the ten rep max again or can I just start the weight where I I left it from?
Thank you so much
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02-07-2022, 10:09 PM #686
Hey Night I went to the gym and this is what my body composition is like: 176 cm height with weight of 74 kg and TBF of 30.3% and VFI 14.7. Standard weight but Excessive body fat as they say. Do you think my diet (2100-2500 calories )and cardio (2-3 hrs a week) should be what is prescribed in all pro faq or do I need to change anything? What should I look out for? At the moment my calorie intake is around 1700. Thanks as always.
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02-08-2022, 04:25 AM #687
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02-08-2022, 04:34 AM #688
The "starting diet" is the minimum required to "perform". Going much under that and your lifts will suffer. If you are still not losing 1-2kg per cycle with the starting diet, you must up the cardio.
But you can "bulk" for a long time on your spare tire and still make gains. Somewhere around 15-18% it will become hard to progress on lifts, and lose fat. At that point you have to decide to maintain lifts and keep dropping weight, or start lean bulking at 1kg per cycle while maintaining the same body fat percentage.
But at the start of the program its up to you. I tell people to cut as quickly as possible to 13% while learning the lifts, then slow bulk. getting lean and "seeing" your small muscles change is a good motivator.
But there are those that hate losing weight, and hate "looking small" and hate not gaining strength at max speed. Those people can lean bulk to bmi 25-26 even 27, but then you will never see your muscles for a long time. You will just have "meat tubes" for arms and legs and have to spend months and months lean cutting that extra 15kg of fat off.
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02-09-2022, 04:42 PM #689
Hello! I need some advice on what's the best approach to handle the following situation:
- Last Monday was test day of the third cycle, which I passed successfully.
- I didn't returned to the gym yet, since I'm feeling sick; so trying to recover for a bit.
- From 3/7 to 3/11 I would not have access to a gym, certainly not one with barbells. This is the week of 11 reps according to my plan.
Taking into consideration these "issues", what's the best for me to do and minimize the impact? In particular, can I do the following?
- Skip the rest of the workouts for the week, given that I passed test day
- Start next week with 8 reps with increased weights, and then take the 11 rep week as rest and then go straight to test day
Thanks!
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02-10-2022, 04:04 AM #690
That is a pickle....
first yes you dont have to finish the test week, if you are sick.
You have two choices:
Start next week at 9 rep week and skip the 8 rep mini deload. This way you can get in test day before you leave
Your other choice is start next week with 8 reps as normal, and after you get back reset to 9 reps and start again.
But you can not do 11 rep week, take 5-10 days off, then do a test day. You will not be fatigued so it will be a false test.
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