Steak and eggs diet - replace steak with something else?

[larsfromars]

Been doing powerlifting and bodybuilding for the last ~15 years and now I've decided to lose some fat. Not up for doing a lot of cardio though I still do it a couple of times a week; I run a business so I don't have all the time in the world when it comes to dieting and cardio. Came across the steak and eggs diet and it seems simple enough - I love eggs, but steaks are *really* expensive in my country. Would it be ok to replace the steaks with something else, or would that result in a completely different diet? Pork is kinda cheap here, so is fish and chicken. Right off the bat I can't see the major difference in replacing the steak with for example pork, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on it.

[loganhart]

So you eat nothing but steak and eggs? Every meal? Everyday?

[digistp]

Sounds like a stupid diet. Not enough carbs to function properly on a glucose-based metabolism, yet the high amount of protein will more than likely keep you out of ketosis.

Although, your threshold may be high enough to support keto. Either way, what about micros and phytochemicals from veggies? Fiber?

[TypeNirvash]

I don't see a reason as to why one would have to eat two specific foods on a constant basis in order to achieve a particular body composition goal.

Eat whole foods that you enjoy, and forget about sticking to cookie cutter routines that leave you wanting for variety. You'll do better in the long run that way.

[zzfh]

steak and eggs and eggs and steak...tha'ts what you should have for breakfast

[Harrison222]

I've decided to lose some fat. Not up for doing a lot of cardio; I don't have all the time in the world when it comes to dieting and cardio.

Drop the excuses bro. Start eating clean and doing some cardio to cut.

[larsfromars]

No I don't eat like this atm, but I'm thinking about it. I suggest you google the diet.

Edit: Excuses? I take it you don't run a business. Get back to me when you do.

[jonbonsnowvie]

Throw in some sweet potats and some avocado **** why not

[larsfromars]

@ digistp: Yup, keto, and was planning on having some vegetables in there. I figured this kinda went without saying and I didn't mention it since my question was about the meat.

I btw also take vitamins/minerals and protein shakes, and it have crossed my mind to take some powdered greens if I do go on this diet. But I'm not on this diet atm, as I said earlier - now I eat all kinds of fish, meat, nuts, oatmeal etc etc.

[loganhart]

Drop the excuses bro. Start eating clean and doing some cardio to cut.

Lol

[Aweman]

Your current diet sounds superior.

[OT2000]

This is an old Vince Gironda diet to shed fat. It's literally steak and eggs twice a day or something like that. Used to hear about it a decade or so ago. At the end of the day it's a keto diet. There are better ways to shed pounds.

[gbullock32]

Must get expensive eating so much steak, anyone else think about that?

[larsfromars]

Must get expensive eating so much steak, anyone else think about that?

Yes I did think of that when I wrote the opening post. You read it, yes?

[gbullock32]

Yes I did think of that when I wrote the opening post. You read it, yes?

I did, just was pointing out since everyone else covered the main question.

[larsfromars]

Oh.. Exactly which one of the replies I've gotten do you feel "covers" my question? What was my question again? 8)

[JustLost]

Oh.. Exactly which one of the replies I've gotten do you feel "covers" my question? What was my question again? 8)

Oh, you wanted your actual question answered? We rarely do that around here.

But yeah, given that you want to do the steak and egg diet, pork, especially loin or tenderloin, would be as good and maybe better than steak. Ground beef would be great, too.

[Former300lber]

Oh.. Exactly which one of the replies I've gotten do you feel "covers" my question? What was my question again? 8)

Hey bud, no point in being a complete douchebag, how about you do your self a favour and go over the Nutrition stickies atop of the forum, and educate your self a bit before coming on here and asking such a ridiculous question? Do you really think eating 2 things is going to be even remotely good for your health? do you know anything about the body? how it works? no? didn't think so.

To answer your question, Read the stickies

P.S I didn't hyperlink the link, I'm sure being a business owner you're smart enough to know how to browse through the forums and find them.

GL with your nutritional deficiencies goals of 2015. 8)

[TheIronAsylum]

vince gironda approved

[determined4000]

Sounds like a stupid diet.

remove "sounds like"

[larsfromars]

Oh, you wanted your actual question answered? We rarely do that around here.

But yeah, given that you want to do the steak and egg diet, pork, especially loin or tenderloin, would be as good and maybe better than steak. Ground beef would be great, too.

So it seems.. But thank you!

See, guys? That wasn't so hard, now was it.

Hey bud, no point in being a complete douchebag, how about you do your self a favour and go over the Nutrition stickies atop of the forum, and educate your self a bit before coming on here and asking such a ridiculous question? Do you really think eating 2 things is going to be even remotely good for your health? do you know anything about the body? how it works? no? didn't think so.

To answer your question, Read the stickies

P.S I didn't hyperlink the link, I'm sure being a business owner you're smart enough to know how to browse through the forums and find them.

GL with your nutritional deficiencies goals of 2015. 8)

You don't like humor around here, I see. And you obviously can't read. Amazing how one can get a decent ammount of replies to a post in a relatively short time around here, but only 1 person have managed to actually answer the question. That was what I was trying to point out to gbullock32 here, but I guess it went over your head. That's probably because I'm a business owner and a pretty damn smart one, and my jokes can be hard to understand.

I guess it's correct what people say about the bb.com forums..

[gbullock32]

OK OP, every question you can/do have answered here (reading and effort required on your part)-

Start with nutrition- learning the basics about calorie and macro/micro nutrients and how they will help you reach your goals, read-

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=156380183
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=136691851
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=129523333
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=123915821

Once you have done that select a proven beginner routine, these are made to give the best results, some good routines would be-

Starting Strength - http://startingstrength.com/

BabyLover's Starting Strength - http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=135564721

AllPro's Beginner Routine - http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=4195843

StrongLifts 5x5 - http://stronglifts.com/5x5/

IceCream Fitness 5x5 - http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=148036063

Fierce 5 - http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=159678631

Coolcicada's Push/Pull/Legs - http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=149807833

Read into those and pick the one you like best.

SUPPLEMENTS

Are just that and nothing more, you do not need them, and most are either useless or a waste of money. If you really want to take them there are a few that can be beneficial though.

Recommended-

Multivitamin- Useful for helping to fill in any holes in your diet- remember, it is there to compliment what you get from food, not replace it.

Fish Oil- Great for getting in essential fats that most do not from whole food unless eating fish fairly often.

Creatine Monohydrate- Cheapest form of creatine and the most proven/studied. 3-5 grams a day, taken at any time with any liquid is all it takes and you do not need to load or cycle nor do you need to take it with sugar. Many types of creatine exist but just go with a plain mono- do not expect miracles though, creatine will barely have any noticeable effect, it may give you an extra rep or 2 but that is about it.

Bloating with creatine is actually very minimal, if it occurs at all, and usually only happens to those who load it (which is not needed). Creatine works by saturation, pulling water into the muscles and providing more endurance: think of it like putting an extra gallon of capacity on your car's gas tank, it doesn't directly improve performance, but allows for more distance to be covered. This is essentially (in very simplified terms) what creatine will do, it will let you go just a little further.

Optional-

Protein- Not needed really, it is just a powdered food (usually derived from either a milk, plant, beef, or egg protein) that can be used to reach your minimum protein needs if you cannot do so with whole foods. Do not get caught up with what type to get, a standard whey will be the cheapest and will be just fine. Only take as much as is needed to reach protein needs for the day.

BCAA Products- BCAA (Branch Chain Amino Acids) are said to prevent muscle breakdown and aid in recovery- this is true but you know what already has BCAAs in it? Food, any source of protein has and is comprised of branch chain amino acids. Assuming you reach protein sufficiency in your day a BCAA supplement would do nothing to aid you.

BCAA supplements may be beneficial if you take pre/intra workout only if you train in a fasted state, or taken between meals if you go 4-6 hours without food. If you do not fit either of those categories they are not needed at all, save the money.

Not needed-

Fat Burners- They do not burn fat and barely do anything in regards to losing fat. Most will only suppress appetite and provide energy. Save your money, work on diet and training first, skip fat burners entirely or save them as an option for the final part of a cut, when you need an energy boost.

CLA- Borderline useless unless you are obese, do not waste the money.

Pre-Workout- They provide energy and endurance boosts, which may be useful if you need it but hold off until you have training and nutrition experience before looking into these. Some people respond poorly to certain stimulants so if taking a pre-workout always follow the directions and dosing instructions.

Pretty much any other supplements are not worth going into, do research first, buy later or never; most will do so little in regards to actual results that your money is best saved for something useful, like a food scale.

[amw9490]

So it seems.. But thank you!

See, guys? That wasn't so hard, now was it.



You don't like humor around here, I see. And you obviously can't read. Amazing how one can get a decent ammount of replies to a post in a relatively short time around here, but only 1 person have managed to actually answer the question. That was what I was trying to point out to gbullock32 here, but I guess it went over your head. That's probably because I'm a business owner and a pretty damn smart one, and my jokes can be hard to understand.

I guess it's correct what people say about the bb.com forums..

[Jasonk282]

good luck with your lack of micro nutrients in 2015

[desslok]

and a pretty damn smart one

Then you tell us the answer.

[grouchyjarhead]

Steak and eggs diet is pretty simple.

Essentially twice a day you'd eat anywhere from 3/4 to 1.5 pounds of steak with 4-6 eggs. You eat that way for four days in a row, then on the fifth day you can eat whatever you want. It's a ketogenic diet with essentially no carbohydrates, but on the fifth day you can indulge. If you eat at the extreme end of the diet (3 pounds of steak and 12 eggs per day, not counting whatever you cook the steak in), you'd be looking at roughly 3500 calories, 435g protein, 160g fat, and less than 10 carbs.

Micronutrient-wise, it's not as limited as you might think. Take a multivitamin and a few cheap supplements and you'd be covered. If you're really concerned about it, hit up a salad bar on Day 5 and chow down to your heart's content. The reason why Vince pushed for it to be steak is because it had the most nutrients out of all the different meats he tried to my knowledge.

It'd be an expensive diet, but it's been proven to work pretty well at slicing down body fat. Gironda ate like that the majority of his life and he passed away when he was almost 80. If you can afford it, it'd be worth a shot. I think if you want to substitute parts of it though, you'd probably just be better off doing a regular ketogenic diet.

[larsfromars]

Thank you, grouchyjarhead. Shouldn't be a problem to replace the steak with chicken/fish then if I take supplements. I'd also be eating a lot of vegetables. Maybe we can call it "Eggs/meat diet 2.0" or something.

gbullock32 - good post and a lot of good info in there, but I'm no beginner (as you see in my first post) and my question was: "Would it be ok to replace the steaks with something else, or would that result in a completely different diet?" I'm not only interested in doing the diet as is (and most likely won't), I'm also interested in knowing why exactly Gironda recommended steak instead of for example fish or chicken. Jarhead here answered that one, but considering we're talking about Gironda, who knows what kind of other and weird reasons he would have had for eating steak instead of other meats.

[grouchyjarhead]

It's probably because beef is one of the most nutrient packed things out there. If you're going to use chicken, you're going to have to really make sure you're covering all your micronutrients. You also may feel a bit hungrier as it's going to be lower in fat, so you may need to compensate for that by using butter.

[gbullock32]

Thank you, grouchyjarhead. Shouldn't be a problem to replace the steak with chicken/fish then if I take supplements. I'd also be eating a lot of vegetables. Maybe we can call it "Eggs/meat diet 2.0" or something.

gbullock32 - good post and a lot of good info in there, but I'm no beginner (as you see in my first post) and my question was: "Would it be ok to replace the steaks with something else, or would that result in a completely different diet?" I'm not only interested in doing the diet as is (and most likely won't), I'm also interested in knowing why exactly Gironda recommended steak instead of for example fish or chicken. Jarhead here answered that one, but considering we're talking about Gironda, who knows what kind of other and weird reasons he would have had for eating steak instead of other meats.

No offense, but if you cannot/did not simply compose a diet of foods you do have access to and enjoy that fit your personal macro/micro/calorie needs than you are likely still classed a beginner; just being honest.

[necon76]

No offense, but if you cannot/did not simply compose a diet of foods you do have access to and enjoy that fit your personal macro/micro/calorie needs than you are likely still classed a beginner; just being honest.

That's a load of crap.