zero carb diet

[dug70]

So a guy at work today told me he is on a no carb diet. The only way he gets it is through veggies, meat, nuts etc. He isn't eating anything that is high in carbs like bread or any sugars/fruits etc. He was telling me that the body doesn't use carbs as energy like alot of people think. Instead the body uses the protein and fat ingested for energy. He kept going on about insulin and stuff too. Just was looking for others opinions on the matter.

[greekmanman]

So a guy at work today told me he is on a no carb diet. The only way he gets it is through veggies, meat, nuts etc. He isn't eating anything that is high in carbs like bread or any sugars/fruits etc. He was telling me that the body doesn't use carbs as energy like alot of people think. Instead the body uses the protein and fat ingested for energy. He kept going on about insulin and stuff too. Just was looking for others opinions on the matter.

Sounds like he is on a ketogenic diet; see the keto forums on here for more info if you're curious or like reading

I have used keto with great success as have others.

[cmurray]

definitely keto diet

[dug70]

got it, thanks for the replies. i'll check it out.

[MikeK46]

yea, keto forum is here

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=61

[WonderPug]

By the way, it's not a zero carb diet, which is functionally impossible to maintain when eating whole foods.

It sounds like he's on a very low carb ketogentic diet (VLCKD).

[BXR99]

Why would someone torture themselves this way? I would die.

[WonderPug]

Why would someone torture themselves this way? I would die.

Because some people do very well on VLCKD's and they are typically the ones that remain on the diet.

Others like you don't.

[BXR99]

I cant remember where but i remember reading something about ketones and how they are some kind of "poison" or whatever that your body produces, can someone explain or verify some truth of ketones, and also is it actually healthy for your body to go day by day with the food intake being mostly fat/protein, however I am aware of the weekly or bi weekly "carb ups".

[WonderPug]

I cant remember where but i remember reading something about ketones and how they are some kind of "poison"...

Yea, the guy at work, ah, the ketones killed him. Sorry to have to tell you this way.

For more information and these deadly types of diets, do as MikeK46 suggested and rather than asking us to retype what is posted in the link he provided, just click on the link he provided.

[MikeK46]

I cant remember where but i remember reading something about ketones and how they are some kind of "poison" or whatever that your body produces, can someone explain or verify some truth of ketones, and also is it actually healthy for your body to go day by day with the food intake being mostly fat/protein, however I am aware of the weekly or bi weekly "carb ups".

Not a poison, perfectly healthy if you so choose.

Ketosis =/= ketoacidosis.

[FemmeFatale28]

Im not on Keto. My carbs are kinda low I guess. I dont eat bread, oats or anything starchy on a daily basis ( only when I feel like it) but my carbs are STILL 80g - 112g typically even when I dont eat "high carb items" which is =/= to keto.

[kusok]

Aren't you supposed to have carb refeeds on keto once per week or something like that?

And your friend is most likely an idiot (especially his insulin mumblings, I will assume, thou his claim that body doesn't use carbs but rather protein for energy is probably one of THE dumbest things I have ever heard)

[yeshli2nuts]

I cant remember where but i remember reading something about ketones and how they are some kind of "poison" or whatever that your body produces, can someone explain or verify some truth of ketones, and also is it actually healthy for your body to go day by day with the food intake being mostly fat/protein, however I am aware of the weekly or bi weekly "carb ups".

humans evolved through millions of years before the agricultural revolution eating only animals and veggies (and probably fruit only in the summers)

[Chuck2600]

A question about keto, if your body is in a state of ketios it's burning fat for fuel as apposed to stored glycogen, correct? Does this mean you can eat more calories as long as your avoiding carbs or is it still calories in calories out?

[Razor Beast]

If you have any energy to workout and maintain/increase your lifts on a ketogenic diet, props to you. Worst decision I've ever made.

[MASSter]

A question about keto, if your body is in a state of ketios it's burning fat for fuel as apposed to stored glycogen, correct? Does this mean you can eat more calories as long as your avoiding carbs or is it still calories in calories out?

Always cals in cals out

[MASSter]

If you have any energy to workout and maintain/increase your lifts on a ketogenic diet, props to you. Worst decision I've ever made.

My strength did not go down much on a keto diet. Most use it to cut(you can bulk on it) so I would not expect major increases in strength assuming you were at a caloric deficit. Were you carbing up regularly and how long did you do it for?

[Ice27]

humans evolved through millions of years before the agricultural revolution eating only animals and veggies (and probably fruit only in the summers)

This was not by choice, this was by necessity and lack of food processing and storage technologies. I can guarantee if the cavemen had access to bread and pasta, they would have eaten it too. Paleolithic humans also had to fight off animals many times their size with rocks and sticks, now we have high caliber weapons for protection. Evolution is not a bad thing.

A question about keto, if your body is in a state of ketios it's burning fat for fuel as apposed to stored glycogen, correct? Does this mean you can eat more calories as long as your avoiding carbs or is it still calories in calories out?

No, if you eat more calories than you expend, it doesn't matter where they come from, they will be stored because your body has no immediate demand for them.

[grapemaster]

humans evolved through millions of years before the agricultural revolution eating only animals and veggies (and probably fruit only in the summers)

well fruit only when it was found. Given man came out of Africa... fruit is pretty prevalent there year round.

This was not by choice, this was by necessity and lack of food processing and storage technologies. I can guarantee if the cavemen had access to bread and pasta, they would have eaten it too.

But they didn't have access to bread and pasta...your cells don't really care what was available or not, people were not exposed to that though.
You know technology can be a bad thing right?
It is always about making the logical choice.
I am sure once they found out about poisonous berries, they didn't eat those any longer.
Once they figured out they shouldn't drink salt water or they would die, they didn't eat it any longer.
The same thing when humans discover certain diets benefit them more than the other, and many people benefit by not eating bread and pasta.
Humans have done MANY detrimental things to themselves over the course of time.
High agricultural production has been absolutely detrimental to the planet, but keeps more people alive. It doesn't mean they are necessarily in perfect health though, but it keeps them alive long enough to reproduce.

[yeshli2nuts]

This was not by choice, this was by necessity and lack of food processing and storage technologies. I can guarantee if the cavemen had access to bread and pasta, they would have eaten it too. Paleolithic humans also had to fight off animals many times their size with rocks and sticks, now we have high caliber weapons for protection. Evolution is not a bad thing.

Obviously. I was quoting someone who was asking if ketones are poison and if it's unhealthy to eat only fat and protein. My response was that humans did that for millions of years and thrived.

[Ice27]

Obviously. I was quoting someone who was asking if ketones are poison and if it's unhealthy to eat only fat and protein. My response was that humans did that for millions of years and thrived.

Fair enough. Where most people go with that is "if cavemen did it for thousands year then we should too..."

[JohnBrowne]

well fruit only when it was found. Given man came out of Africa... fruit is pretty prevalent there year round.


But they didn't have access to bread and pasta...your cells don't really care what was available or not, people were not exposed to that though.
You know technology can be a bad thing right?
It is always about making the logical choice.
I am sure once they found out about poisonous berries, they didn't eat those any longer.
Once they figured out they shouldn't drink salt water or they would die, they didn't eat it any longer.
The same thing when humans discover certain diets benefit them more than the other, and many people benefit by not eating bread and pasta.
Humans have done MANY detrimental things to themselves over the course of time.
High agricultural production has been absolutely detrimental to the planet, but keeps more people alive. It doesn't mean they are necessarily in perfect health though, but it keeps them alive long enough to reproduce.

Grains were an integral part of the human diet as far as 300,000 years ago