This is what I plan to take for my first cycle. I'm 39, 5-10, 169lbs. Been working out for many years, but it's clear my testosterone level has diminshed as I can't seem to get gains any more.
Week 1: 10mg Methyl-Drol 10mg Phera-Plex 2 tabs Perfect Cycle
Week 2: 20mg Methyl-Drol 20mg Phera-Plex 2 tabs Perfect Cycle
Week 3: 20mg Methyl-Drol 20mg Phera-Plex 2 tabs Perfect Cycle
Week 4: 30mg Methyl-Drol 30mg Phera-Plex 2 tabs Perfect Cycle
Week 5: 100mg Rebound XT 2 tabs Perfect Cycle
Week 6: 75mg Rebound XT 2 tabs Perfect Cycle
Week 7: 50mg Rebound XT 2 tabs Perfect Cycle
Week 8: 25mg Rebound XT 2 tabs Perfect Cycle
What would you recommend I change?
What other supps do I need (please don't abbreviate names...I'm not a supplment expert).
What should I take to keep my temper in control?
What can I take to minimize acne? (I had a bad acne problem in the '80s).
Many thanks for your help.
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09-11-2006, 11:36 AM #1Registered User
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My first cycle - need some expert advice
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09-11-2006, 12:09 PM #2
Post your post cycle therapy(PCT) and support supps so we can see what you've got.
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09-11-2006, 12:10 PM #3Registered User
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Weeks 5-8 are basically my PCT (so far). That's why I'm asking...what else should I be taking?Originally Posted by Blast_
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09-11-2006, 12:15 PM #4size matters
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for the acne Pantothenic Acid works well for me...megadose it (about 5-10 grams a day)...
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You need nolvadex or clomid, and definately some liver support. Stacking these two compounds together for 4 weeks is really going to be hard on your body. I really wouldn't recommend it.
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09-11-2006, 12:18 PM #6Heavy Duty
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09-11-2006, 12:23 PM #7Thank cycle is a mess and dangerous.Originally Posted by madforce
For a first cycle, pick one compound and save the other for a different cycle. Both are effective when ran solo.
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09-11-2006, 12:30 PM #8Registered User
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Choose either methyl drol or pherplex do not use both. I'd wait until you have atleast two cycle under your belt b4 you even think about a cycle like this. Only run for 3 weeks for your first cycle. If you really want to do more go with the pherplex and run for four weeks. If you go with Methyl drol you shouldn't even need to run at 30 especially your first time.Originally Posted by madforce
Please get nolvadex for PCT. A natural test booster would be beneficial too. I'd highly recommend to pick up policosanal and CoQ10 and run it b4,during, and after.
Temper Control? Honestly this shouldn't be uncontrollable unless maybe if your drinking. You should not be drinking.
For acne? Get a good exfoliator adn benzoyl peroxide. Take shower ASAP after working out and use both. Use twice a day.
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09-11-2006, 12:35 PM #9Se Acabo
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Pick one or the other and then we could talk doses. The stack is pointless and overkill IMO. For more support supps: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=638519Originally Posted by madforce
PCT: drop the RXT and replace it with toremefine and continue support supps.
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09-11-2006, 12:36 PM #10Registered User
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Exactly. I don't understand why every1 wants to use higher doses or combine products when they don't even know what results they would get from each alone. I mean why wouldn't you want to keep the dose as small as possible. Look at the benefits:Originally Posted by BillyB
1.) You have more left over for future cycles.
2.) You are not desensitizing yourself to the product as quickly. And can slowly up the doseages in future cycles so you keep getting great gains.
3.) Your not putting your body/organs under as much stress.
4.) Lethargy won't be as bad.
5.) decrease risk of severe back pains
6.) You won't have as much worry about sexual problems (I don't know about you guys but just b/c I'm running a cycle doesn't mean I don't want sex
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Not to accuse anyone in particular, but I tend to assume (I know I shouldn't assumeOriginally Posted by dan7681Exactly. I don't understand why every1 wants to use higher doses or combine products when they don't even know what results they would get from each alone. I mean why wouldn't you want to keep the dose as small as possible. Look at the benefits:
1.) You have more left over for future cycles.
2.) You are not desensitizing yourself to the product as quickly. And can slowly up the doseages in future cycles so you keep getting great gains.
3.) Your not putting your body/organs under as much stress.
4.) Lethargy won't be as bad.
5.) decrease risk of severe back pains
6.) You won't have as much worry about sexual problems (I don't know about you guys but just b/c I'm running a cycle doesn't mean I don't want sex )
) people who propose high dosages or stacks for their 1st cycles are people desperate to gain a LOT of weight (i.e. people who don't have their diet and training down). I could be wrong.
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09-11-2006, 12:44 PM #12Registered User
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Yeah I know what you mean. That "more is better" mindset is so aggravating and in cases like this can be downright dangerous.Originally Posted by ScrillaKeithNot to accuse anyone in particular, but I tend to assume (I know I shouldn't assume) people who propose high dosages or stacks for their 1st cycles are people desperate to gain a LOT of weight (i.e. people who don't have their diet and training down). I could be wrong.
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09-11-2006, 12:57 PM #13Straps are for pussys
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Originally Posted by madforce
stacking 2 orals is a big no no! Stick with one...if you're looking to put on size and mass stick with the methyl-drol. If you think your test levels have diminished so id reccomend going to the doctor getting blood work done and inquiring about getting placed on HRT (hormone replacement therapy)"It's not that bodybuilding is everything its that being small and weak really really sucks"
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09-11-2006, 01:23 PM #14Hey GUUUUUUMBA
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Hey man take it easy for your first cycle. I haven't done a cycle yet, Im about to very soon, and Im not crazy enough to run those to orals together. Take it slow and see how your body reacts, do your research. MM and PP have side effects that aren't pleasant and could be dangerous. Take it slow brotha...
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09-11-2006, 03:15 PM #15Registered User
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Thanks for all the replies
Thanks everyone. Glad I came here for help. I'm not looking to go insane, and the cycle I presented was based off (now obvious to me) erroneous data I collected off other forums. Like I said, I'm new to this and want to do what is best for me. I will definitely make the changes to use only one and not both, and less of it. I was told to take BOTH...glad I didn't! I'm doing as much homework as I can before I start this.
Dan7681 - how's this?
Week 1: 10mg Methyl-Drol / 2 tabs Perfect Cycle
Week 2: 20mg Methyl-Drol / 2 tabs Perfect Cycle
Week 3: 20mg Methyl-Drol / 2 tabs Perfect Cycle
Week 4: ?mg nolvadex XT / 2 tabs Perfect Cycle
Week 5: ?mg nolvadex XT / 2 tabs Perfect Cycle
Week 6: ?mg nolvadex XT / 2 tabs Perfect Cycle
Week 7: ?mg nolvadex XT / 2 tabs Perfect Cycle
How much Nolvadex do I need to take each week? Do you mean the pharmacutical grade Nolvadex or Nolvadex XT?
Which natural test booster would be beneficial?
"I'd highly recommend to pick up policosanal and CoQ10 and run it b4,during, and after". - I just ordered some on line. Still need to get the Nolvadex once I hear back from you with clarification.
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You will probably need "persciption" noLvadex not novedex XT by Gaspari.
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Pharmaceutical. Novedex XT is just an ATD like Rebound XT. Based on the current reviews, though, I would opt for toremefine though a little more expensive. And for gyno issues letro. At least replace the Novedex XT with the real deal, though.Originally Posted by madforcewww.ScrillaBeats.com
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09-11-2006, 03:39 PM #18Oh yeah that is going to work well: "Hey doc, I want to be huge and feel like I was 18 again, so lets start me up on some testosterone STAT!"Originally Posted by UpstateTank
Also, it's not going to be a test level issue at his age. It has to do with binding test. Research it.Last edited by bofeity; 09-11-2006 at 03:42 PM.
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09-11-2006, 03:53 PM #19Registered User
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You want real nolvadex not novedex XT.Originally Posted by madforce
I'd just go with a cheap natural test booster. Something with a high amount of tribulus standardized. Look around and use the search function for "natural test boosters" and you should get some good advice.
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09-11-2006, 04:36 PM #20Registered User
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The reason people go big the first time is because the instructions on sites say to do the big cycles. When i first bought the drol, i also bought plex because it said on the site it would be beneficial to stack them. I think SNS and other companies should take a look and realize you could potentially hurt some people. The first cycle that was stated on this thread was pretty much a cycle from SNS. Kinda scary. thank goodness for people on here.
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09-11-2006, 06:23 PM #21Straps are for pussys
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a males natural testosterone levels begin to decline in the mid to late 20s and this gentlemen happens to be 39...hrt programs i have read about put the age of 35-40 as a good time to start...how would hrt not be beneficial?Originally Posted by bofeity"It's not that bodybuilding is everything its that being small and weak really really sucks"
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09-11-2006, 07:12 PM #22Se Acabo
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I agree completely.Originally Posted by adeliiwww.ScrillaBeats.com
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09-11-2006, 08:01 PM #23Registered User
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Throw in some milk thistle (1g a day) when your on the cycle and be sure to take it 1 - 2 weeks in advance before you start your cycle. You need Clomid or Nolvadex (not novedex) as these are necessary to combat gyno. Other than that dont use Phera and Meythl-drol (which I think thats the clone for Superdrol). It is too much. Rebound XT sounds like a solid product and add some tribulus or Activate by Designer Supps if you are using Rebound. You could also add Novedex by AX which is pretty much a test booster and anti-estrogen which will help you keep your gains and boost your test from the low its gonna have from the cycle. Pce.
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09-11-2006, 08:13 PM #24
I see this cycle is very dangerous. However, these were the original recommendations by AX.
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09-11-2006, 08:13 PM #25Go big everytime.
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just stay away from these oral ph and aas. liver toxicity is not worth it. if you really want to get a good cycle check out the steroid section.
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Novedex XT and Rebound XT are the same thing.Originally Posted by ampzorwww.ScrillaBeats.com
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09-11-2006, 08:16 PM #27Registered User
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Yeah I would just go and take the real deal... that way all you have to worry about is Nolva and a Rebound XT and your set.Originally Posted by deadaim
What I meant with the Novedex XT is if he didnt go with the Rebound XT...
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) people who propose high dosages or stacks for their 1st cycles are people desperate to gain a LOT of weight (i.e. people who don't have their diet and training down). I could be wrong.
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